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Honestly, a Single Tube might work if we make this thing fast and cheap enough.

Then again, I see the Arrowhead configuration as less of a Full Cruiser and more of a potential Frigate/Proto-Escort.

Have them operate in Squadrons/Packs being supported by heavier vessels(maybe even a refit Stingray or later Medium Cruiser?), and you can have them compensate for lack of Tubes by firing in concert on a single target.
 
MS-21H 'Hawke' said:
Honestly, a Single Tube might work if we make this thing fast and cheap enough.

Then again, I see the Arrowhead configuration as less of a Full Cruiser and more of a potential Frigate/Proto-Escort.

Have them operate in Squadrons/Packs being supported by heavier vessels(maybe even a refit Stingray or later Medium Cruiser?), and you can have them compensate for lack of Tubes by firing in concert on a single target.
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A frigate, lighter than a light cruiser like the stingray is flat out suicidal at this point.
 
If we go arrow head let's not even pretend it's a crusier. It's a Frigate built for escort duties and wolf pack operations.


Edit: this applies even if we match or exceed the tonnage of the stingray.
 
NavySeel said:
A frigate, lighter than a light cruiser like the stingray is flat out suicidal at this point.
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Jensaarai said:
It's a light cruiser.

That's directly stated in the post.
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I think both of you kinda miss my point here.

Whatever it is, we MIGHT be able to make it work if we can get three things:

1. Mass Production

2. SPEED

3. At least a single tube up front.

I'd honestly prefer a Medium Cruiser, thus my vote...but if we're stuck with this, we might as well try to work with what we got.
 
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Silversun17 said:
If we go arrow head let's not even pretend it's a crusier. It's a Frigate built for escort duties and wolf pack operations.


Edit: this applies even if we match or exceed the tonnage of the stingray.
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Even if? The Stingray is literally the bare minimum of what a viable ship in this war is.
We're replacing it for a reason.

The idea that something smaller could work is kind of ridiculous.
 
Jensaarai said:
From how it's described in the post;
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That's a slanted quote and you know it. The half-saucer only restricts engines if we also put a secondary hull in the design, something that is no more guaranteed than making the arrowhead 'hyper-manoeuvrable.'

Hyper-manoevrability is also pointless if we don't have the armaments to make use of it. Phase cannons only require as much manoeuvring as it takes to bring them vaguely in line of sight since they can engage in up to a 360-degree arc laterally and 180 vertically depending on their precise position. Torpedoes are the weapons that need more direct pointing that the manoeuvring capabilities would provide, and this size of arrowhead can't mount them unless we compromise the design's warp geometry.

Silversun17 said:
Sprey
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hiss

Back, demon!
 
Question for the thread going into the presumably weapons-related votes ahead of us (after the deflector probably): How many energy weapon emplacements is equivalent to a torpedo tube?
 
Strunkriidiisk said:
That's a slanted quote and you know it. The half-saucer only restricts engines if we also put a secondary hull in the design, something that is no more guaranteed than making the arrowhead 'hyper-manoeuvrable.'
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Hey, take that up with Sayle then, it's a direct quote. The half-saucer would still have issues without the secondary hull, because of how the nacelles would fit. It's directly called-out in the post as a downside to the larger hull, while the arrowhead specifically says that it would have more room for engines.
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Hyper-manoevrability is also pointless if we don't have the armaments to make use of it. Phase cannons only require as much manoeuvring as it takes to bring them vaguely in line of sight since they can engage in up to a 360-degree arc laterally and 180 vertically depending on their precise position. Torpedoes are the weapons that need more direct pointing that the manoeuvring capabilities would provide, and this size of arrowhead can't mount them unless we compromise the design's warp geometry.
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Make no mistake, I'm not voting for the arrowhead. I'm just pointing out the listed advantages of that option.
 



heres the original voyager concept art for what an arrowhead design might look like

Looks more Excelsior or Ambassador era to me
 
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Arimai said:
Tholians are an Old Spacefaring race and can give the First Federation a hard fight. They also consider the Borg a pest. We are orders of magnitude lower on the technology tree.
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I know, just wanted to say that the Arrowhead (I realize that the Tholian ships are Pyramidal, but honestly they are still somewhat shaped like arrowheads) is entirely viable as a design. Starfleet uses it in the ENT era even(first image though I don't recall seeing it in the show), and several ships later down the timeline as well.
Here's Star Trek Online's gorgeously-new Prometheus-class model : r/sto
It does seem to be a hull shape largely used by factions like the Tholians that are technologically advanced though yeah.
 
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heres the original voyager concept art for what an arrowhead design might look like

Looks more Excelsior or Ambassador era to me
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I love this design (especially since we used that engineering hull on our own version), but it's also pretty out of era. The actual arrowhead hulls of ENT are a better match,

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