[X] Expanded Cargo Bay
Per Sayle's postI... dont think this ship would be capable of replacing the archers can it? the cargo hold is in the secondary section right?
By definition, critical materials simply outright don't exist in such numbers.when you need hundreds of them to make a dent in a useful capacity.
It would be replacing the Archer when it comes to frontier and time sensitive cargo where the Archer is too slow and undefended.I... dont think this ship would be capable of replacing the archers can it? the cargo hold is in the secondary section right?
well be as it may its an expensive ship and we hadnt even gotten to the other modules which is going to rank up the price even further I dont think making this a cargo hauler is going to be as effective when at best it can maybe dance between 2-3 star systems.It's way bigger than an Archer. That secondary hull being mostly cargo is a LOT of cargo.
Modules don't add cost. We have already basically finalized the cost.well be as it may its an expensive ship and we hadnt even gotten to the other modules which is going to rank up the price even further I dont think making this a cargo hauler is going to be as effective when at best it can maybe dance between 2-3 star systems.
Not in sufficient numbers doubly so when we want this thing at the edges of our space.
At least I think we're done on price - modules don't add to itwell be as it may its an expensive ship and we hadnt even gotten to the other modules which is going to rank up the price even further I dont think making this a cargo hauler is going to be as effective when at best it can maybe dance between 2-3 star systems.
Not in sufficient numbers doubly so when we want this thing at the edges of our space.
Plus as a part of the fleet train, via:It would be replacing the Archer when it comes to frontier and time sensitive cargo where the Archer is too slow and undefended.
Basically super-containers. I suppose you could fit a neutronic fuel tank in half the main cargo bay, given you're looking at something like 3-4 decks high. So potential for refueling capabilities in a pinch, yeah.
The price is set, modules are more or less free under our system.well be as it may its an expensive ship and we hadnt even gotten to the other modules which is going to rank up the price even further I dont think making this a cargo hauler is going to be as effective when at best it can maybe dance between 2-3 star systems.
Not in sufficient numbers doubly so when we want this thing at the edges of our space.
To say nothing of the fact that it's going to be able to purely carry out Starfleet missions, it's not going to be stuck on the rebuilding or future infrastructure building like the Archer (indeed, if it does anything with infrastructure it'll just be taking pre-made stuff out there), so it's probably got 2-3x the availability rate from Starfleet's perspective.A Federation (the ship) could be on the opposite side of the Federation (the polity) and race back to Earth, pick up a cargo, and race to the entirely opposite side of The Federation (the polity) before the Archer waiting in orbit of Earth could get the cargo to the destination.
Valid, most of the ideas around shuttles are about options that come later and not really the shuttlebay itselfI'm seeing a lot of good arguments for why starfleet needs new/more/better cargo ships. The arguments for using the Federation class in that role are Very weak.
Mind you, the arguments in favour of shuttles aren't much better and the arguments against aren't completely without merit...
If I knew the next ship we built could be the Archer 2.0 I would not be picking cargo, but we can't know that and the QM isn't going to give us that kind of assurance.I'm seeing a lot of good arguments for why starfleet needs new/more/better cargo ships. The arguments for using the Federation class in that role are Very weak.
Mind you, the arguments in favour of shuttles aren't much better and the arguments against aren't completely without merit...
I wouldn't necessarily say that, the brief for this phase does note that Starfleet doesn't really have much in the way of extra sized cargo transport outside of the Archer, which has been depleted by the war and is currently doing a lot of work in undoing the damages of the war (which means it's availability for Starfleet is going to be very low, even lower than it would normally be).The arguments for using the Federation class in that role are Very weak.
I mean, obviously if we were given the opportunity to design a cheap ship with great efficient cruise and a decent armament and a huge cargo bay it would be better. But that's probably not happening anytime soon, so the Federation can fill that niche.I'm seeing a lot of good arguments for why starfleet needs new/more/better cargo ships. The arguments for using the Federation class in that role are Very weak.
Mind you, the arguments in favour of shuttles aren't much better and the arguments against aren't completely without merit...
The Miranda is literally a patrol boat. That's literally what it is designed to do. That's it's job. Trying to fill that role is just overlapping capability.And all the time spent racing racing through the interior is time spent having Mirandas patrol the border instead of this.
Not necessarily, thanks to it speed it's going to be fairly simple to assign a Federation to pick up a big bit of vital cargo that's needed in its patrol area/adjacent to it, have it make the delivery and then go about patrolling in the area until the next cargo task comes in (which is probably going to be at the end of the patrol, when it's being relieved by another cargo carrying Feddie).And all the time spent racing racing through the interior is time spent having Mirandas patrol the border instead of this.
I mean, yeah, it's probably a lot easier to sell "expedient delivery of critical supplies and infrastructure" than "glorified patrol boat".And all the time spent racing racing through the interior is time spent having Mirandas patrol the border instead of this.