Orc Quest; or, A Critical Examination of Agency Through in Interactive Fiction (Warcraft)

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mmm. Can't find that. Blizzard seems to have oscillated between his hand being turned into stone at one point, to it just being tattooed black.
It's from some comic, which having a look is now noncanon, huh. I hadn't read it I just knew Blackhand had tried to get the Doomhammer out of a pool or lava or something, not sure why it was in there in the first place maybe Orgrim dropped it. Seemed like the sort of thing Thrall would refer to given it's another case of someone messing about with the Elements rather than Blackhand being called Blackhand because he tattooed his hand black for some reason.
While it was originally unspecified whether or not Blackhand was canonical for the main universe Blackhand and not just the alternate version,[2][3] the story has since been confirmed as canon for the main universe as well, as the events of the comic are recounted in the story of the [Doomhammer] in World of Warcraft: Legion.[4] This notion was previously supported by Khadgar's claim that he had heard legends about Blackhand sacrificing his hand to the elements,[5] as well as the description of the Doomhammer artifact on the official site, which matched the events of Blackhand.[6] The events of the comic were also mentioned in the "Doomhammer" episode of Azeroth Armory.
The topic was again opened following the release of World of Warcraft: Chronicle Volume 2. Its artwork depicted Blackhand as similar to his design in the Warcraft movie, with full hair and a tattooed black hand instead of a stone one. Matt Burns explained that Blizzard had ultimately decided to move away from Blackhand's Warlords of Draenor design and backstory; the main universe Blackhand still helped Orgrim retrieve the Doomhammer, but he was not consumed by fire.[7][8]

If he didn't get his name in some dramatic and heroic fashion we must assume I suppose that before he decided to tattoo his hand he had some other boring name like 'Dave' and he wanted something cooler.
 
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The March of Forneus 8
If Thrall continues to speak as he does the position of the Burning Blade within the Horde will be irreparably damaged. Your father will react as he's accustomed to, giving in to his impulses of pride and paranoia and the Horde will lose its most reliable source of expertise on demonic matters with the warlocks going their own way and falling to darkness.

But you can stop it.

"If you've ever trusted me do so now." you say, looking at your father.

He's almost crouched as if expecting an attack, claws ready, but then the statement shakes him out of his trance and his head snaps to you, "What-"

"Warchief!" you roar up at the dais.

The interruption is unexpected. Thrall's choice of arena and his effort to set the encounter up should have prevented such an attack but you lift your head and meet his eyes.

The crowd dies down swiftly as Thrall cuts himself off mid-sentence, staring at you in confusion.

"If anyone is responsible for this affair, for the march of Forneus and the Battle of Dreadmist it is me! I gave the orders, I had command."

You see Thrall's eyes flit to someone in the crowd, then back to you but before he can recover you continue.

"You speak of the Fel as corruption, a baleful influence on the Horde. Once perhaps, once when proud chieftains drank Mannoroth's blood, each more eager than the last to take the Legion's power. Now the Burning Blade use the Fel in defence of our people, as we did in the battle."

There's little space to gauge the crowd's reaction, you only really have time to try and draw attention to yourself rather than the clan.

"You claim that the Fel is the cause of our misery, yet I am a shaman. I went to Dreadmist to better connect with the Spirits, yet I also went under orders to oppose the Centaur of the Barrens. I ordered attacks on the Kolkar, I slew their leaders and then I found my position surrounded by thousands of enemies, far more than we had any knowledge of. I knew we had no hope of survival if we fought with honour so I ordered a delay. My warriors threw the Centaur back again and again, killing hundreds of them, and even then there was a thousand still left."

Thrall has some inkling of where you're going but clearly feels unable to confront you as you speak.

"I ordered the elders of our clan to summon a greater demon, one which could destroy the Centaur, even if we were destroyed also. Without such strength we'd have been lost, without our sacrifice and the deaths of my warriors the Kolkar would have swept across the Barrens, isolating our settlements and killing anyone they came across. I did as I did for the protection of our people, even if if meant the sacrifice of myself and my warriors."

"And yet the Centaur were provoked by the reckless use of the Fel against the Spirits!" Thrall replies, finding a response.

You pause. Thrall is right, his remarks confirmed, at least in part, but the Kolkar shaman who had thrown itself on your sword at the mountain. However you couldn't reply with counterpoints without weakening Thrall's position overall which you had no wish to do. The assembly has grown quiet, all that you can do is resituate the argument onto your own shoulders again, "I ordered this, I had command. I am no warlock, you know this well enough. I have not taken the Fel, yet I still gave the order, all that occurred is my responsibility, not the work of those who came after me."

"And you admit you abandoned your traditions for power? You abandoned your duty to the Spirits as a shaman?"

You frown at that. What is Thrall trying to do? Does he realise your strategy? Does he realise your attempts to counter his own rather than simply to mindlessly defend your clan? Or was he trying to get the debate back to his well-prepared ground of hearkening back to the Old Horde's actions?

"I am a warrior of the Burning Blade and a captain of the Horde. Those are my duties. Yes I understood the effect of this on my connection to the Spirits, but the Horde is greater than me. I acted as I did in accordance with my orders, if I have failed in this let the judgement and shame fall on me, not be diverted before this assembly to my clan…"

The last statement is a thrust at Thrall's strategy more directly than you've tried before, but clearly it strikes true, the Warchief's lips curling around his tusks. Your appeal and your piety have also been felt by the audience and you hear a low rumble run across the crowd as they speak among themselves.

One armoured figure in Thrall's party leans toward him. The Orc is old, grey-haired and speaks for a while, the Warchief inclining his head. Is this Saurfang? You've probably seen the Orc before but you certainly don't recall doing so, though you've been away for years in any case.

The conversation is quick but the noise from the crowd increases and then out of the corner of your eyes you see one figure leap to their feet.

"Honour!" the warrior cries, "Honour! For the Horde!"

Others take up the cry and though they aren't many another murmur goes through the crowd.

You look closer and see the figure is Sorek of the Blackrock, and those around him crying out too are Blackrock. You meet his eyes and he clashes gauntlet against his breastplate in salute. You have some friends here then it seems, more than you could have hoped for.

In the lull in conversation as Thrall still listens to Saurfang you look toward your father. His stance has shifted somewhat, less hostile but holding the same wary tension in his muscles. He looks between the Warchief and you, a strange expression on his face.

Finally the Warchief rises, taking up the Doomhammer, blue eyes looking sternly down at you, his black and brass armour shining in the sun, "Grok'mash of the Burning Blade, you claim responsibility for these events. Are you prepared to accept the consequences?"

"I am."

Thrall nods once, "Very well. As you say, you were the commander at Dreadmist, through your actions the Centaur advanced, and through your actions Forneus was summoned. Do you accept responsibility for this?" he asks again.

Neither were strictly true, but you had little choice, "I do."

"Through your failings and dereliction of duty to clan and people the Spirits have been roused to fury, the land broken and our city and people attacked, do you accept responsibility for these events?"

Again, you had no choice despite the inaccuracies Thrall was drawing you into, "I do."

Thrall raises his hammer above his head, "Then I pronounce your sentence. You served the Horde. No longer. You are exiled, cast out. You are no longer a part of this Horde, no longer one of our people. Go far from this place, you are unwelcome among us, your dishonour stains you like the blood on your hands. Go now to some faraway place and seek your future." his eyes flick from you to your father, "Let no Orc give you shelter or hospitality, let none even speak to you from this day forward. Let no person or clan give you aid lest they suffer under the burden of your sins. Go now, dishonoured and nameless, go now outcast, go now and leave us."

The doomful pronouncement might have sapped the strength of any warrior, leaving them downcast and sorrowful, but you look up at the Warchief and greet your exile with a smile.
 
mmm warrior trainer in Orgrimmar.

Interesting.

Okay...So now what do we do?
I think that's what we find out next.

Presumably its feldad's reaction and us deciding where we're going if not necessarily what we're doing.

Lots of potential things to do.

The only thing that halts me there is what did Thrall and Varrok talk about? Presumably he was advising him on what's best to do in this situation, but

In fact more generally what is Varrok's position in this mess. I assume he was doing what he felt was best for the burning blade given that the two worked closely recently, but he's still close to Thrall and if Thrall has an equal in the Horde then its him...and well he played along with the sacrificial lamb, but the changes to the story to make people bite...mmm some feel unnecessary, but that may just be me.

What game is he playing?

Still assuming we're booted instantly out of the city or are allowed to return to the cleft first, I think we maybe seeing a member of the black rock clan come stumping through the door asking to speak to our father, while the exile so happens to be in the room.

i do hope some of the orcs join us, so that we have a warband again
...I think that's not what's going to happen. Since that would require them to effectively exile themselves as well.

Alright bois time to seriously grind and go to blackrock mountain to take over the dark horde there.
Probably a bad idea to try that, but I think all paths lead to black rock. Its essentially the centre for almost everything going on during this portion of WoW.
 
Well that went as well as can be expected. Hope the other players all do smart things while we are gone. Time to see what the aftermath is, then maybe wander down to Ratchet to see if we can catch any quests before hitching a ride to the Eastern Continent.
 
Huh. I think we might have accidentally tapped into the underlying current that existed in the Horde that Garrosh did in canon, that of 'honour' and existence of the Horde being held above all other important traditions.
 
Onwards to the future.
While generally this arc went quite well I think, I'm also looking forward to writing an interesting new setting
mmm warrior trainer in Orgrimmar.
Which is basically what he's up to in this quest right? He's the most senior of a bunch of warriors training under the blademasters
Lots of potential things to do.
In general suggestions are welcome on this. Indeed there'll be some options but I'm open to write ins as long as they're sensible
Since that would require them to effectively exile themselves as well.
I'll have to update the exile infopost but as with all orcish stuff it's more complicated. Exile is, after all, a rhetorical and political exercise more than it is a legal reality
 
If we head to theramore we could potentially become involved in the black dragonflight and rescue them from extinction and/or figure out how to protect them from the old gods whispers.
 
I think we should avoid going towards Blackrock Mountain. Every force in that region can be expected to be immediately hostile towards us, and we would have to pass through significant Alliance teritories to even get there.

Theramore, Felwood or a Goblin hub seem like better immediate destinations to me.
 
Theramore, Felwood or a Goblin hub seem like better immediate destinations to me.
ATM we've a potential to involve ourselves in a lot of stuff (Varian if he's not dead for example), but going straight to black rock wasn't ever the idea. More that no matter what we're liable to end up there as a lot of the world's current big goings on resolve there.
 

felwood is a hell forest hostile to everyone but if we want to fight the burning legion, our #1 character purpose outside of Honor, its the clearest destination. if we don't die immediately i seriously doubt the various forces fighting demons everyday are going to throw us out

blackrock is adjacently related to events we have little to no IC knowledge of, afaik we think it's Legion-loyal orcs in a forever war against an Alliance that we don't rly have personal hate for, also it's literally on the other side of the world

i stand by what i said.
 
felwood is a hell forest hostile to everyone but if we want to fight the burning legion, our #1 character purpose outside of Honor, its the clearest destination. if we don't die immediately i seriously doubt the various forces fighting demons everyday are going to throw us out

blackrock is adjacently related to events we have little to no IC knowledge of, afaik we think it's Legion-loyal orcs in a forever war against an Alliance that we don't rly have personal hate for, also it's literally on the other side of the world

i stand by what i said.
We have no knowledge what so ever in fact. However, as I already said going direct to the spire is not the point.

As I said most roads lead there because it is the focal point for

1. The elemental shenanigans of Azeroth (Ragnaros)
2. The location of the most probable cause of a war with the Alliance (Nefarion)
3. And as you said is filled with legion adjacent orcs (Rend Blackhand.)

We currently have zero IC reason to go there and indeed the felwood is possibly the immidiate place to go, but I can make a compelling argument for heading to the plague lands to find Tiron from our old superior asking us to find him, or travelling to Theramore due to Grok's IC interest in arcane magic, which could bring us into contact with Varian (again assuming he didn't crit fail himself to death he's going there.)

While I believe Fractious Day has confirmed this isn't an option, going back to the war of the Ancients with Orc Doomslayer (Brox) would not be impossible right now.
 
felwood is a hell forest hostile to everyone but if we want to fight the burning legion, our #1 character purpose outside of Honor, its the clearest destination. if we don't die immediately i seriously doubt the various forces fighting demons everyday are going to throw us out

blackrock is adjacently related to events we have little to no IC knowledge of, afaik we think it's Legion-loyal orcs in a forever war against an Alliance that we don't rly have personal hate for, also it's literally on the other side of the world

i stand by what i said.
Oh I don't disagree with your points specifically, it was just the reference to Blackrock being hostile but Felwood being suggested that amused me. It is indeed the most obvious place to fight demons, but it's also one you know very little about. I might not offer it as an option though as I want the eventual vote to be consequential not have the Sentinels turn you away at the border because your from the clan they know are big on demon stuff. Currently thinking I'll allow it as a write in but we'll see, I'll consider.

On Blackrock, indeed there's little knowledge of it. In game Thrall seems to be unaware of Rend being about and I doubt Grok would know anything more than that it was once a stronghold of the Horde and therefore might still have some people in it. IC you didn't know Jubeithos was dead etc.
 
While I'm not sure how it will be represented here, Ratchet also offers another Avenue to magic learning in the boat going to Stranglethorn Vale. While I doubt getting access to many mentors without pay would be easy, mucking with the Loa and their Blood magic could be fun.

Though obviously just one more option to the list.
 
While I'm not sure how it will be represented here, Ratchet also offers another Avenue to magic learning in the boat going to Stranglethorn Vale. While I doubt getting access to many mentors without pay would be easy, mucking with the Loa and their Blood magic could be fun.

Though obviously just one more option to the list.
I have one name against that and that name is Hakaar the Soul Flayer.

Which is setting aside the fact that the trolls of Zul'gurub are about as friendly as a pissed off porcupine :D
 
Well damn. What a way to end this arc. First the Burning Blade got wreck, then Orgrimmar got wreck and now we're exile and banished from the Horde.

Well, what better way than to jump in!


I also say Theramore could do us a lot of good. Thrall may have kicked us out, but what better way than to try and get us back in then by helping the Warchief's close friend and ally to the south? Plus we can still help and serve the Horde despite our new "dishonored " status and get involved in both Alliance and Eastern Kingdoms matters. Same for learning about the Arcane and so on.


It also curious how this whole affair will affect the Horde and surrounding regions in the short and long term.
 
I have one name against that and that name is Hakaar the Soul Flayer.

Which is setting aside the fact that the trolls of Zul'gurub are about as friendly as a pissed off porcupine :D

And we have one rather internally troubled orc with alot of angst waiting to be vented at an unambiguously evil problem.

I believe the Bloodscalp and other tribes are not as Hakkar crazy as the main gurubashi, and there is no way to make friends like teaming up against literal soul flaying jerks.
 
I believe the Bloodscalp and other tribes are not as Hakkar crazy as the main gurubashi, and there is no way to make friends like teaming up against literal soul flaying jerks.
Friendly enough that they at least tried to treat with Hakkar by sending ambassadors. + You'd have to convince them to stop fighting each other...and none of them use the Loa.

Bloodscalpes follow an elemental, Skullsplitters are more standard warriors.

There's a reason the Darkspear left this place...tis a mess.
 
Friendly enough that they at least tried to treat with Hakkar by sending ambassadors. + You'd have to convince them to stop fighting each other...and none of them use the Loa.

Bloodscalpes follow an elemental, Skullsplitters are more standard warriors.

There's a reason the Darkspear left this place...tis a mess.
All your points have merit.

However, we just rebelled against ever power structure around while finding our own character. Thus, all that is left is to find a hot troll girlfriend and the jokes about orcish puberty being alot one the first road to FelDad will prove surprisingly foresight filled
 
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