Orc Quest; or, A Critical Examination of Agency Through in Interactive Fiction (Warcraft)

So do we wander across the continent seeking the other Blademasters to learn from them?
On a practical level I'd say we're at a point where we have to develop our own style.

+ We've been exiled from the horde and orcish society as a whole, even if its primarily symbolic I think we should go our own way rather than learn from them.
 
Just caught up with this, dang did the Barrens ramp up real quick. I'm looking forward to seeing how things progress now that we are exiled.

The Steamwheedle Cartel and their operations in Ratchet or even Dustwallow Marsh seem like good close stops where we could find work if for possibly underhanded folks if we commit to not interacting with the greater Horde. However, with the way the commandment was worded we could still potentially find hospitality with the Darkspear, Tauren, or even Forsaken. I do not know if Sen'jin Village would turn us away given they are in Durotar at the heart of Orcish power even with our previous goodwill with them, but if we were to stay in Kalimdor and avoid majority Orcish settlements we've also got Mulgore, Southern Barrens, or Stonetalon where we could help the Tauren. Otherwise if we don't mind going against the will of the Warchief(and potentially put others of our kind under scrutiny should they interact with us), the Warsong in Ashenvale have a history of going their own way and there's more Burning Blade we vaguely know of in Desolace. Granted with my OOC knowledge of the game world the latter would be inadvisable but ICly is a potential option given its' isolation far away from Orgrimmar
 
So exile it is, personally I'd like to head to the plaguelands to find Tirion

+ We've been exiled from the horde and orcish society as a whole, even if its primarily symbolic I think we should go our own way rather than learn from them.
I agree, perhaps by heading to the plaguelands and helping with the Argent Dawn, we could find another way to obtain the strength needed to protect Azeroth....one which no Orc has ever tapped into before but which might find in our conviction a suitable vessel....no guarantee it could even work but I really like the idea of trying to become the first Orc paladin , think of the possibilities! We could start our own tradition of Paladins, it could even be the way to continue the legacy of the blademasters in a new and renewed form!
 
However, with the way the commandment was worded we could still potentially find hospitality with the Darkspear, Tauren, or even Forsaken.
Huh... You know I didn't think about it that way. Thrall is too smart to know that so is this his way of at least giving us an out? He already knows we worked well with the Trolls

Also Rexxar and his daughter aren't exactly Orcs now are they. But Grok'mash does seem like the type to stick go the spirit instead of just the letter.
 
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even if if meant the sacrifice of myself and my warriors.
if it
Thrall is right, his remarks confirmed, at least in part, but the Kolkar shaman who had thrown itself on your sword at the mountain.
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I don't know enough about WC world to pick a destination, but from what I am hearing, no matter where we end up we won't lack for conflict. Maybe we should take that ronin path to heart and offer our services as a mercenary for a while, see if we can excel in that field.

Being Hunted and being alone don't mesh well together. Might want to get a party going, or at least a squad.
 
I agree, perhaps by heading to the plaguelands and helping with the Argent Dawn, we could find another way to obtain the strength needed to protect Azeroth....one which no Orc has ever tapped into before but which might find in our conviction a suitable vessel....no guarantee it could even work but I really like the idea of trying to become the first Orc paladin , think of the possibilities! We could start our own tradition of Paladins, it could even be the way to continue the legacy of the blademasters in a new and renewed form!
Bare in mind I'm pretty sure the Argent Dawn doesn't currently exist. Its an offshoot of the Scarlet Crusade that formed in no small part cause they wanted to recruit everyone to fight the undead not just humans which I think lore wise starts really picking up steam after Tirion decides to get active again.

Anyway falling into the trap of wanting to do everything, but the plaguelands does have a lot of stuff we can do that may have big impact, from the fact the current head of the Scarlet Crusade is a Nathrazim, helping Tirion rescue his son, meeting Darion Mograine (perhaps) and, eh. One can dream but maybe even trying to save what we can of the Scarlet Crusade. Organisationally its full of the traumatised and manipulated, which does not excuse their crimes, but if I can give feldad another chance I can do the same to people like Sally Whitemane (not sure we have a choice with Renault Mograine.)

As for paladins...possible? IMO the light isn't exactly too out of synch with elementalism in many ways and I've never seen anything stopping them from learning. That said I do want to try and learn arcane magic as well...but I also want to learn everything. Preferably a blademaster would be able to choose between several traditions of swording and magic.

And again...there's a giant dragon shaped problem that needs to be dealt with before it either brings down stormwind or worse starts another war.

However, nother option to suggest is maybe getting caught up in archeological stuff. Trying to find the power of the titans, or learning Azeroth's history to better defend it etc.
 
Huh... You know I didn't think about it that way. Thrall is too smart to know that so is this his way of at least giving us an out? He already knows we worked well with the Trolls

Also Rexxar and his daughter aren't exactly Orcs now are they. But Grok'mash does seem like the type to stick go the spirit instead of just the letter.
Aye for sure, his honorbound nature would make it something of a conflict of heart to try and skirt by the terms of exile.
 
the current head of the Scarlet Crusade is a Nathrazim
Clearly someone's a Scourge agent if they're accusing such an upright and honourable figure!

Also in general for everyone, you've got the honourbound trait and you're still following it so you have to take that into account. Just wandering off on your own wouldn't be an IC thing to do, it has to be something that you're actually doing to help out with stuff.
 
...If we are exiled, I figure that means any and all plans to do anything further with the Horde is revoked until further notice. MAYBE we can interact with our Blood Brother, and I'm sure the Burning Blade will happily break the terms of our exile in gratitude...But if we genuinely want to help Azeroth, we need to keep our involvement with the Burning Blade to a minimum.
As long as we wield that burning blade, our honor is the first thing that burns away.
 
Trolls were having trouble overseas right? Beyind Horde lands? Time to go help them?
Trolls are a complicated matter. The echo isles are technically horde land though, even if it needs to be reclaimed. Most other trolls have a decent chance of wanting to off us.

Also I need to find out what the blood elves are doing at this stages. I think they're technically back on Azeroth or at least the population that joins the horde is.
 
Also I need to find out what the blood elves are doing at this stages. I think they're technically back on Azeroth or at least the population that joins the horde is.
It's weird actually. There are some which left with Kael but I'm guessing at least half, if not most, of them stayed in Eversong. Even in Vanilla though there are random blood elves scattered about, for example there's one messing about in Stonetalon working for the Shadow Council and one in Azshara apparently seducing orcs? I was quite surprised to find them there.
 
It's weird actually. There are some which left with Kael but I'm guessing at least half, if not most, of them stayed in Eversong. Even in Vanilla though there are random blood elves scattered about, for example there's one messing about in Stonetalon working for the Shadow Council and one in Azshara apparently seducing orcs? I was quite surprised to find them there.
It seems most of their population never left. Kael declared Lorthamar regent then took a portion of their military to join Gartheros.

So a majority of the blood elves are likely still in Quel Thalas, with a comparatively small pop in outland.

What's not explained is how/why Lorthamar ended up joining up with the horde? I assumed it was because Gartheros combined with Sylvanas made them think it was a good, idea, but I guess Sylvanas was enough?
 
It seems most of their population never left.
Iirc the lore goes back and forth on it. First it's 'they left for a new home' implying they all went, then it turns out there's actually plenty of them and they're still in eversong etc and it's onyl a scouting force under Kael. I suppose I'll go with the later and have most of them still in eversong
 
What's not explained is how/why Lorthamar ended up joining up with the horde? I assumed it was because Gartheros combined with Sylvanas made them think it was a good, idea, but I guess Sylvanas was enough?
Going by character creation/reddit post the Belves get inducted into the Horde shortly after word of a "promised land" has reached the people and to reach it you'll have to prove yourselves to the Horde by dealing with Dak'khan Drathir the traitor with the help of some Forsaken sent by Big Sys.

Essentially, Literally Who* joined with the Horde to get his people to Outland, saw that Kael went all in with the Legion and decided to stay with the Horde.

*Yes I know who Lor'themar is but shh
 
The March of Forneus 9
You return to the Cleft, your journey swift and unimpeded. You walk in silence, Neeru clasping your shoulder once before leading you away from the arena after Thrall had dismissed you. As you walk the people of the city still watch you but they see your proud faces and speak among themselves as you go.

Your father leads you back to your tent, calling for the Burning Blade to assemble and dismissing the Kor'kron guards with a sneer, commanding them to leave or face attack.

When the hangings fall back across the entrance your father turns to you and smiles, then bids you sit as he goes to a corner of the family dwelling and kneels on the rugs, sorting through several items you know relate to his work as a warlock in rituals and prognostications. From the bottom of the pile, the oldest items no doubt, he pulls a long wrapped package, stands and takes it to his desk, taking an athame and quickly cutting away the leather thongs, peeling at the wrappings.

From your seat you can't see what's on the desk but you see your father's fingers pick over it, his claws rapping at something metal.

"When Grond the Breaker fell against the Evergrowth his body made the plains and ridges of Gorgrond. It was a wondrous land, much like to Durotar now I think about it, though absent the constant battles between the Genesaur and Gronn… It was an untamed country and our people carved out homes it in. The Frostwolves and the Thunderlords went north, the Shadowmoon and Bleeding Hollow south, and we went west with the Warsong. None of the clans had their names then, we were merely the Children of Grond, cowering in the steps of titans and terrors."

He pauses, lost in thought.

"Your grandfather gave this to me when he became a warlock." your father says, "It has passed through our line for centuries and I've not held it in thirty years…" his fingers continue to tap, "I had already taken the Burning Wish by the time I was your age so I carried it as dutifully as I was able, though just as he did I set it down."

Your father looks over to you, gesturing with a hand, "When you returned here I had cause to wonder who might take this blade up after me. You went against me in several things and I had thought maybe to pass it on to one of the Blademasters… I don't find it easy to admit I'm wrong but you've surprised me and I find myself proud of you. Perhaps such a thing shouldn't be so surprising, but in the last few months I've thought more on it and I think I've found a hand to wield this, to hold my legacy."

He takes up the blade and sends it flying through the air toward you and as if without thinking your hand reaches out to grasp the hilt.

"I only saw the Warchief's strategy after he'd already stolen a march on us, you were the one to turn his ambush back on him. You have honoured your clan, you acted when I could not, you proved your worthiness, both to wield this blade, and to lead this clan in time."

The blade is of black iron, the ore from which the Blackrock clan take their name. The sword is magnificent, untarnished from the many years of use, its edge keen and bright runes glowing with an inner fire all along the blade. There are holes in the blade, each with a metal ring through and they ring clearly as you handle the sword while a lanyard of dark leather hangs from the pommel.

"Let Orgrim keep his Doomhammer, here is the Fireblade, forged from the black spine of Grond himself."

The blade of your family rests in your hand and you look up at your father, your heart soaring.

"Don't break it."

And the moment is sundered and a grin breaks out on your face as you struggle to contain the laughter. You father joins you, coming to sit beside you as you laugh together. No words of thanks or acknowledgement are necessary between the two of you and you merely sit next to your father, luxuriating in the bond of family.

You think for a moment of igniting the blade as you had Baneshadow's sword but you hold off, turning to your father, "I've felt… empty lately." you say, "As if the Spirits have abandoned me."

The confession is difficult, especially when you remember the years of coldness from your father, but his gift manages to push through the awkwardness and he grasps your shoulder, "Such feelings are not uncommon in the wake of battle. You saw many things, some great, some terrible, and you've been through peril besides. In time the feeling will pass."

"What if I can't ever speak to the Spirits again?"

"Foolishness!" you father laughs, "Do not be concerned over such things, you aren't even a warlock. When the Furies of Draenor abandoned our people the shaman of the Horde turned as one to the Fel, yes there were a few who didn't bother but if it wasn't all it was almost all. Now many have turned back to the ways of Shamanism, consider Drek'thar, I remember when he followed Gul'dan around for a month and posted himself among the Blackrock warlocks Gul'dan taught first, it was pathetic! Now Drek'thar is the most respected shaman of the Horde and everyone forgets what he did when he was a warlock."

You nod, thinking over his words.

"But now we must consider the future." your father continues. "While I'm minded to ignore the Warchief's proclamation and keep you by my side, I won't dishonour your sacrifice. Thrall will not rule forever. One day another will take his place and in time you will return to us. Consider this not as an exile but as an adventure."

"I did it for the clan and the Horde." you reply, "Thrall would have destroyed us and it would have led to evil."

"That is true." your father reassures you quickly, "I've a few missions in mind for you but they can wait. You must be away within a few days, a week at most, longer will arouse suspicion and debate and you've given us a strong weapon to protect ourselves in future. For now we will appear before the clan and I'll introduce you. I'll send demons forth to our agents across the world and declare your name so all will know your standing in my eyes."

He smiles and stands, helping you up as you stand also, your injuries still sore but the pain alleviated by the pride in your father's burning eyes.

"Come then, Grok'mash Fireblade, heir to the Burning Blade."
 
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My opinion on Neeru is becoming complicated.

I am surprised he is supporting us persuing the shamanistic path when he is so pro warlock. But if you think about it, it makes sense. All he has ever wanted for us was for us to be strong, to be worthy of him, and the clan. For our own sake, if for nothing else. Now we have proven our cunning and our resilience.

I suppose he is willing to support us on our chosen path, its not his speed, but the elements are a path to power all their own I guess.
 
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My opinion on Neeru is becoming complicated.
As it should be.

That said, he hopefully takes this bit
"I did it for the clan and the Horde." you reply, "Thrall would have destroyed us and it would have led to evil."
on board.

We did it for a lot of reasons, but we did it because for both the clan and the horde it would have been disastrous and with luck this will be the part where Neeru starts to really reconsider his current aligence, since his son is willing to stake so much for both.
 
Well, that went well.

If he is sending out demons, at least that means we have a few specific friendly ports of call out there. While I think Ratchet or Theramore will both serve as good starting points, another trip to a BB stronghold might help serve as a helpful adventure too. At least we know there will be magic and violence floating around over there.

If they are mostly Orcish forts/camps, we might want to avoid them though. Spoils the whole banished thing if we just go to Dad's hunting lodge as it were.
 
Are we clear on what Neeru's allegiance is? To the clan certainly, but I'm not sure where he stands vis a vis demons and the horde.
 
Are we clear on what Neeru's allegiance is? To the clan certainly, but I'm not sure where he stands vis a vis demons and the horde.
IC we know he's got shady shit going on, OOC shadow council/burning legion, but this will hopefully shift him.


Also not sure where this stands as In character knowledge, but I think I remember talk from earlier in the thread about him being mostly a pawn? As in there is the "official" Legion backed Burning Blade leaders, and he is the one allowed to lead the Horde Loyalists/ be expected to play both sides. I think it's also a character trait that he hates it.

Hence the hope that we can force a schism where most BB end up Horde loyalists with Paranoid FelDad happy that hes not a puppet anymore, as opposed to the other where the schism forces them out of the Horde and into the Legion loyalist camp.
 
Also not sure where this stands as In character knowledge, but I think I remember talk from earlier in the thread about him being mostly a pawn? As in there is the "official" Legion backed Burning Blade leaders, and he is the one allowed to lead the Horde Loyalists/ be expected to play both sides. I think it's also a character trait that he hates it.

Hence the hope that we can force a schism where most BB end up Horde loyalists with Paranoid FelDad happy that hes not a puppet anymore, as opposed to the other where the schism forces them out of the Horde and into the Legion loyalist camp.
Its something of a hodge podge because Bizzard basically did nothing to advance that story line, but at least from the RPGs and what's in WoW he's a pawn. Whether he's happy with that or not, is aware of it (or if his superiors like him and are feeding him false information to get him killed) is, unfortunately, all unsure because of that.
 
Fireblade, forged from the black spine of Grond himself
Having done a bit of a check into Grond, I must say this is a lot more potent than I expected if what he says is literal.

Grond is supposed to be the creation of Aggramar the once lieutenant of Sargaras and member of the Titan's Pantheon to tame the Evergrowth that would have destroyed Draenor, and it is apparently the literal source of all the elements of Draenor. Before the spirit of life was apparently kinda nommed by the evergrowth, but as Grond pushed it back and destroyed the Sporemounds that started to change, and bits knocked off him started to turn into new elementals rapidly. When it died they exploded in numbers.

Grond's head became the throne of the elements spawning the Furies from him and so on.

In essence as elemental artefacts go, the Fireblade and if I were to guess presumably the Doomhammer (it was apparently forged out of elemental lava, which I'm sure could turn out to be a pool of Grond's blood) are as ancient and symbolically potent as one can get, especially to a shamen.

I will however note the connection to Aggramar as presenting a few possibilities (well several really if all the stuff he left on Draenor is there still.) Titans are meant to be beings composed entirely of arcane magic, which has the unique attribute of being technically possible of anything in WoW's magic system, in practise it does have limitations, or at least mortal's do. However, Arcane magic can interact with elementals (in a bit of possibly accidental lore Titans are apparently most associated with water and earth) with water elementals as the most common example of this. For a titan, creating Grond through arcane magic is likely challenging, but again titan, so likely more than doable and once created it would have been elemental in almost all respects.

Furthermore, Aggramar took up Sargaras's job as a champion of the Pantheon making him their defacto fighter against the burning legion and void. As Grond was specifically crafted in Aggramar's own image and intended as the guardian for Draenor that Aggramar could not be, since he could not remain there for long it'd stand to reason that he'd also include anti fel/void properties and possibly a connection to his allies against both the light. Certainly the elementals did turn on the orcs rapidly which would make even more sense given their progenitor.

I doubt that has anything to do with why the fireblade line hasn't been using it much ATM, its likely a cultural thing.

In short its an epic possibly legendary weapon with immense shamanistic power, even just ritualistically. Given that it is the fireblade, I assume its strongest elemental connection is to fire, but I'd argue symbolically and practically it could have a potent connection to the spirit of life. If made from his spine which supports the body/life combined with Grond absorbing a lot of the spirit of life when fighting the evergrowth I could see it having a powerful connection to it burried within.

Furthermore due to Aggramar it might retain some connection to the arcane, or an affinity to the holy light, while being more of a bane to the void and fel. This is just my speculation, but whatever it is, its likely an extremely potent weapon.

I admit though I am curious as to what would happen if we stuck a sulfuron eye in it.
 
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