Rolen von Keng
Sleeping Green Bear
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And I rather not be encircled on all sides by humans that could turn hostile if a diplomatic incident goes wrong.
Orc Quest; or, A Critical Examination of Agency Through in Interactive Fiction (Warcraft)
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Your desires are so far into the future it would take resources Grok doesn't have.
So I would rather settle in.
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- St. Petersburg
Mmm. I went back and forth on whether I want to settle down in Alterac. Being surrounded by other states seems like a benefit more than a drawback to a nation whose biggest export is mercenaries; there's bound to be contracts and anything we don't have could be obtained through trade. If anything, I see a lack of a shipyard a bigger issue. I did want to move on eventually though.
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Would the other clans be willing to settle in Northrend?
I suspect more than one would have disagreements.
To fully move to Northrend means to abandon the work already done here. I can see a presence being established but the main project should be in Alterac. Dig deeper into the mountains and earth where humans don't dwell.
I suspect more than one would have disagreements.
We're also boosting relations with the alliance as that was the intent other than speaking for the interests of the orcs not of the main horde.
To fully move to Northrend means to abandon the work already done here. I can see a presence being established but the main project should be in Alterac. Dig deeper into the mountains and earth where humans don't dwell.
Rolen von Keng
Sleeping Green Bear
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- The Wilderness
That is a falsity that you are implying here. We will lose out on anything we developed for our group/Horde's use, yes. However, we are not losing out on the relationships that were developed.
Yes, but we can already see that tensions would inevitably rise up again without an outside threat. If you won't consider moving out of Alterac, at least consider having a second base to evacuate to incase tensions flare up. Additionally, by establishing a place that we can operate away from the Alliance, we can participate or at least allow for abilities that may not be looked on too favorably by the Alliance (only a suggestion).
Besides, Kul Tiras? was the only naval power of the Alliance, and by establishing ourselves elsewhere, we could probably develop ourselves into that direction.
Said relationships being developed is farther away to utilise. We were cut off from Feldad until we got the demon portal but even then there'll be complications making a new one.
Still let's say we do on the ideal situation, it may involve someone possibly Feldad to seize the helm of domination for himself to make the settlement of Northrend much more possible when it's not a really good location for settlement.
But a lot of the many achievements is because of Grok. He did had help but it was his decisions that led to here. If Northrend is to be settled he will have to find someone to take that up as he's pivotal in reinforcing the orcish position at Alterac.
I already said I don't mind establishing a presence there. Whether said presence is skeleton, minimal or outpost level depends whether Grok has enough blademasters to do a rotational posting.
I don't think naval power is within the closest projects to be reached at Grok's position. That can be Feldad's job. Since he did mention the need for it give him what he needs if he can provide them. Instead it would be best to focus more on Grok's strengths in his position.
Kir the Wizard
The Sun King
- Location
- Ukraine
Well, one of the problems the Horde faced was orcs wanting to fight and prove themselves in battle en masse, while having to adhere to a peaceful/inactive ideology. By taking on major threats in Lordaeron together with the humans, we have managed to sell the world and idea of a fighting Horde that's actually useful for all living denizens of Azeroth.
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Biggest problem I see is. We would have to drag all our recourses and noncombatants to a different continent one which has a lot of hostile neighbours that might make the orcs degregred back to their us Vs them mindset and
edit :like you want to move fine but theirs got to be better places then the worst place on azeroth to move to like rend and thralls hordes are in better locations and both of their locations suck
edit :like you want to move fine but theirs got to be better places then the worst place on azeroth to move to like rend and thralls hordes are in better locations and both of their locations suck
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- United Kingdom
It helps that he's a lot more informed about this sort of thing now.
I would reiterate my point though last time this came up. He knows they're manipulating him and is frequently suspicious of it. He knows the Black dragons, the populist orcs, Dathrohan, Fairbanks, Scorn, Feldad and others are all seeking to influence him toward different goals. There are a couple of characters Grok doesn't know are manipulating him or doesn't suspect, with a major one the reveal of which will likely be very surprising, but it's not like Grok is jsut bumbling about like an idiot.
Re his influence on others, sure, I should probably represent this somewhere.
Haomarush would have been an extremely formal meeting with a lot of courtesies back and forth and some discussion of traditions and events.
Feldad and Nagaz would have been a lot more hostile with Nagaz getting snippy a bit and then Feldad namedropping a few high level demons he's been taking to recently etc. 'ah nagaz you've clearly done realy well, maybe you should come through the portal and we can go tell Lord Banehollow about how you've been doing?' And then nagaz deciding he's better off staying in Alterac
That sounds quite amusing actually I might edit the chapter and write it in
This largely covers it from my perspective. I could write something more structured up if useful @Nevill but let me know what sort of thing you'd find useful. Others can input as well certainly
They probably were. Kael's forces weren't numerous, but they would have been very high quality. They'd be the best mages etc he could bring, while the Naga would have been providing the 'meat'. Each death of one of the mages would have been a big loss, but they have significant abilities in terms of retreating etc.
I'm glad you enjoyed it, I was indulging myself a bit in writing an anime battle
This is a bit of a difficult question.
As far as I'm aware, the numbers are about 20k surviving blood elves and 2k high elves who leave and go off to various places, and then also the 2k Kael takes to Outland and stuff.
I could potentially do a longer info post but I don't see them as a populous people. Yes they've got the whole fantasy elf thing, but there could be any numebr of reasons for their small numbers, from social stuff to magic.
But yea the high elves aren't doing so good apart from a few scattered enclaves
There's various opinions on this of course, and these will be factors the orcs are thinking about now.
You might say, as a matter of historiography and ideological development, that being at peace would be beneficial for the orcs. You might also say that being so tied to the humans would force them to be cooperative in a way they haven't been previously. Certainly, being in the Horde itself has led to significantly less violence between clans.
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Those that are relevant to our immediate situation.
I have this idea of making a list of destinations for our Diplomatic Mission actions (which I want to see taken more often), with a brief summary of what use those other kingdoms could be to us, and what we have to negotiate with them. At the bare minimum I want to renew our mercenary contracts list, since this is how we get favors from others.
Dathoran is assembling a coalition of nations, and we are considering taking action against the Scourge next round. There will be people we can make a favorable impression on.
Sounds like it. Feldad acts accordingly as the somewhat smooth political operator he is. Blademaster he can handle but for warlock he can have some fun against rival warlocks.
Kir the Wizard
The Sun King
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- Ukraine
Those are RPG numbers, right? I don't think the games or Blizzard's accompanying material ever gave any number outside of "90% died to the Scourge, of those surviving 90% became the Blood Elves" (I think there was also something about the majority of those being in Outland, but that must have been retconned long ago).
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I wonder if we will soon be getting any dragon riders we have a black dragon ourselves and we are allied to a group of them and we have the dragonmaw granted we might need to knock some sense into them if they try their usual tactics (ie break them)
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We need anti-dragon weaponry. I am thinking orcs with handheld cannons (to contrast with human riflemen), but it could be anything.
Not to make war on them, but to make the costs of making war on us prohibitive. Alliance with Rend is well and good, but it exists for the dragons' sake, not the other way around. If they think it's better to not get involved, it would do a lot to equalize the playing field between two Hordes.
We do have the fel expertise now and the earth elemental.
Nothing as OP when Nekros Skullcrusher had the demon soul but Grand Feldad may know a thing or two dealing with powerful beings.
Not recommended of course but it's options when push comes to shove.
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what does rend have to do with this we are not allied to nerferians brood of black dragons (would brood be the right word nerfarian isn't the mother of his faction but father) we are allied to his sisters brood onyxia aka lady prestor or I should say queen prestor. granted grok does think he is allied to nerferian since thats what kalaran told grok and well neither onyxia and nerferian care that much about each other they see each other as rivals (I think they would also view sebellion as a rival if he wasn't stuck on dreanor) for leader of the black dragon flght while their father is healing in deepholm.
(also question for frak is every member of the black dragonflight on azeroth hopelessly courpted by the old gods (apart from ebonhorn) or is it only the really high ranking ones/oldest ones
cause yeah onyxia dispite being our ally isn't our friend just like saidon they are useful to us as long as we know they are not friends, but the black dragons as a whole is another story but that depends on the whole old god thing
and my post was about getting dragon riders like the dragonmaw clan is just without the abuse and enslavement dragonmaw usually do
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I imagine we won't get a lot of direct support from dragons if dragons already support Rend, if only to avoid dragons getting killed in a conflict that does not benefit them. Two dragon flght branches may not be allied to each other, but they are not enemies either, as far as I understand.
I wouldn't get my hopes of getting a rider force up until we deal with Rend or upset their alliance somehow.
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MrRobot
In doubt there's always the Sun!
So I am a little late for this party but here my 2 cents.
We eventually will need to settle on black mountain when we inevitably clash with Rend. While investing on Alterac will have it's uses on long term we need a legitimacy of a claim to a territory that would be Gork's and Gork's alone. (Yes im aware of the fire dwarfs but well they aren't in good standing with the aliance.)
In the end Rend place sucks mostly because he is hostile with the Aliance while for Gork they are clients.
This also means we would want good relationship with the dwarfs to a point since they likely be our main point of contact between the main base and any FoBs established to facilitate communication between the client state of the aliance and black mountain.
Now society wise would really pay for Gork deppen his studies in both the Fel and Light.
The new discovery made very clear that wild Fel, purged from the demonic influence is both just as powerful but even more phisically dangerous than demonic form. It empowers the more primal and brutalistic nature of an orc, but it was also be revealed that the reason that the blademasters can comparatively cope better with it, and how powerfull warlocks do it. That was that they pratice the orcish equivalent of stoicism, achieving eudemonia by accepting their nature but not letting their destructive impulses govern them.
There's where the light, or rather the 3 virtues trough an orcish lenz, would comes up as a counterbalance to help to keep the primal nature of the orc in check.
Eventually i could see the light fully replacing the position the demonic influence has on the Fel but that is a pipe dream. More than anything I think this power system kinda works for Gork as this idea that while one must not neglect his nature you need an prupose to your existence. By Honor and self mastery one would find this prupose.
We eventually will need to settle on black mountain when we inevitably clash with Rend. While investing on Alterac will have it's uses on long term we need a legitimacy of a claim to a territory that would be Gork's and Gork's alone. (Yes im aware of the fire dwarfs but well they aren't in good standing with the aliance.)
In the end Rend place sucks mostly because he is hostile with the Aliance while for Gork they are clients.
This also means we would want good relationship with the dwarfs to a point since they likely be our main point of contact between the main base and any FoBs established to facilitate communication between the client state of the aliance and black mountain.
Now society wise would really pay for Gork deppen his studies in both the Fel and Light.
The new discovery made very clear that wild Fel, purged from the demonic influence is both just as powerful but even more phisically dangerous than demonic form. It empowers the more primal and brutalistic nature of an orc, but it was also be revealed that the reason that the blademasters can comparatively cope better with it, and how powerfull warlocks do it. That was that they pratice the orcish equivalent of stoicism, achieving eudemonia by accepting their nature but not letting their destructive impulses govern them.
There's where the light, or rather the 3 virtues trough an orcish lenz, would comes up as a counterbalance to help to keep the primal nature of the orc in check.
Eventually i could see the light fully replacing the position the demonic influence has on the Fel but that is a pipe dream. More than anything I think this power system kinda works for Gork as this idea that while one must not neglect his nature you need an prupose to your existence. By Honor and self mastery one would find this prupose.
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- St. Petersburg
Yes, this is what I am leaning to. Technically, there is no land on the continent that legitimately belongs to orcs who only came here a few decades ago, but the land already claimed by orcs and thus unusable by other races anyway would be a lot easier for them to part with if the orcish leadership weren't immediately hostile.
This is important to decide early because if we will be moving out we are better off keeping humans in charge of Alterac, and keeping the economies separate to a degree.
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- barking
Black rock mountain might have another advantage if we help the dark iron dwarves free themselves from Ragnaros the firelord they might be thankful
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- barking
I would not take any risks with ragnaros better banish him and then go and perma kill him and get someone else more reasonable to take his place ( I know us traping him also removes him from play on the firelands but then we are stuck with him)
The elementals Grok met has so far been unreasonable or just capricious in their desire for blood sacrifice.
I kind of expect another Myzrael to happen where he uses the Fireblade to bind a firelord. Provided it goes really really well.
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