He wants to burn the entire world. Not entirely unexpected when Ragnaros is acting within his nature as a spirit of fire.
Orc Quest; or, A Critical Examination of Agency Through in Interactive Fiction (Warcraft)
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yep ragnaros is the leader of the fire elementals and he is the entire reason the land the dark horde hq blackrock mountain sucks as when he was summoned I think it was 300 years ago by the dark iron he incarnated the land turning blackrock mountain into a volcono and enslaving the dark irons
he is also very courrpted by the old gods its part of the reason why he as rx put it
as his successor very much did not want to do so
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unluckily for us elementals have the same weakness as demons they can be killed in their own domains, lucky for us its easier to get to the fire lands for ragnaros then the twisiting nether. water would probably help hell neptunlun the water elemental might even help as his the only one of the 4 main elemental lords to not be insane
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Said successor didn't want to stay in his lane in dragonflight and wanted to expand when the opportunity came in dragon flight.
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theirs a difference between that and wanting to incernate the world but did not know that
MrRobot
In doubt there's always the Sun!
Probably need something cold related and powerful to do the deed trough, maybe there's something that can be gained by fighting the scourge? Gork RN is all about fire and light.
It's the same goal when he supported the primal incarnate to remake the world in their image.
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okay never mind got that wrong he allied with farak the one incarnate that was completly insane and didn't care about their goals beyond his own burn the world
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Even some of the description for fire elementals is that leaving out their flavor text reasons for being the way they are they're acting according to their nature as fire and so a pyromaniac.
Though given the elemental wars it can be debated that who outright wins will desire a total control thanks to the nature of Azeroth's elements unlike Draenor's.
Ragnaros is just described as the most open aggresive one. Therazane the most friendly and protective of just keeping to herself.
Grok's bias against elementals won't be changing much not until he meets others that change his mind.
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yeah things like the old gods did not help and the fact that the world soul of azerorth kinda eat the thing that would of kept the elements in balance
and yeah ragnaros and alakir the wind lord are pricks.
therezane wants to be left alone and neptulon seems chill when he isn't being kidnapped
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Feldad striking it well with Haomarush cause he's a blademaster while Nagaz is establishing the pecking order.
It's why if it's possible I consider it in the cards if after Ragnaros should he be beaten to the point of submission Grok just binds him or does dark shaman things so as to utilise the power of fire.
Sesk told him to after all. If you're lacking just bind an elemental.
Though in Grok's case he has an interesting method with the Fireblade. What's that going to do? Whose fire is better? The spine of Grond or Azeroth's firelord?
Though instead of binding him with the Firesword it might actually just eat and devour Ragnaros's flame.
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Two meetings in particular stood out to you, those between Haomarush and Nagaz, nominally the two highest ranking individuals in Alterac apart from yourself. Technically Nagaz was not a chief, but he was of a high rank among the Burning Blade, and led an independant force which elevated his status, even above those captains you had who commanded thousands of warriors when compared to Nagaz' hundred demonologists.
Haomarush was first, as his status was assured.
"Revered Blademaster, you honour us much, I am the Fireblade of Hallvalor. May the spirits of our ancestors watch over this meeting." your father intoned in the Old Tongue.
Haomarush bowed deeply, "Your name carries great weight among our people, as the sire of our battle-leader. I am Air-cutter of Earthwound. May the spirits of our ancestors watch over this meeting."
It was extremely archaic and you noticed Haomarush wasn't nearly as comfortable with the Old Tongue as you or your father were. No doubt Jubei'thos had taught him, but it seemed he'd not had much reason to use it. Many didn't, you knew Thrall didn't speak it very well and your father had often addressed him in it as mockery to the Warchief's human upbringing.
You supposed you could potentailly introduce yourself in such a manner. While your father wasn't a blademaster, he'd held the Fireblade for many years and was entitled to use the courtesy name that came with the blade, just as Haomarush was entitled to use the name of his own blade, Sanketsu, a elegant term for strangulation or the severing of the neck.
Neeru straightened, his gaze never leaving Haomarush's. "Blademaster, I have heard tales of your prowess on the battlefield and your wisdom in council. The echoes of your deeds reach even the darkest corners where I dwell. How fares your clan under your vigilant leadership?"
Haomarush nods, "My clan thrives, tempered by the fires of adversity and guided by the honor of our ancestors. We have heard of your recent conquests and the power you wield. What new insights have you gleaned from the depths of the dark magics you command?"
It went on like that for some time. They were both taking pains to speak in the extremely formal dictation of such meetings and it was amusing to see. Haomarush, so quick to battle and to slay, held a frenzied energy in his shoulders and a weighty tension in his neck as he spoke with your father, each of them asking questioned phrased to praise the other, without giving more than a brief answer to the questions they received themselves.
Haomarush grew more comfortable as they went on, your father ignoring the occasional errors the other chief made in his speech. There was one awkward pause when Haomarush had started a sentence but then evidently couldn't remember the right word to continue but your father ignored it, as was the custom, not acknoelding Haomarush's error so as not to embaress him.
They eventually bowed respectfully again and your father turned to Nagaz, his posture suddely predetory, crouching and esposing his great artificial hand, laying it like a stooping drake on the shoulder of the Argus Wake's chief.
You'd decided by now that your father could control when the hand brought forth fire, and this time Nagaz sweated as the thing of Fel Iron burned and smoked on the orc's cloak.
It was an incredibly discourteous gesture when compared with the highly regimented and ritualised greetings of before. It was like a wolf grabbing another by the back on the neck to demonstrate dominance.
"Come now, Nagaz." your father greeted the warlock, "Tell me of your efforts, you've done much I've heard, do you think yourself a shepard now, to raise livestock as you do?"
Nagaz sneered back, his pride too great to subcumb just then, "I do what I am ordered to, Fireblade!" and the name came out in a sneer, "And it is none of your affair. We each have our own function and you'd do well to remember it."
"To remember it!" your father grinned, and the smile was an evil thing, "Indeed, I will remember yes."
There was a pause where Nagaz obviously considered his options. "I will bring my people through the gate, Alterac is not so friendly to us now, and we have accomplished much that I should report on."
It was bold, and you raised an eyebrow as the evil smile came back to your father's face.
"You would come through?" he asked, and there he looked every inch a warlock of the Shadow Council, "Perhaps yes, no doubt you do have much to... account for. Perhaps I should summon Lord Banehollow and the Council to make your report, what say you, I have correspondence with him and certainly we might meet with him."
Nagaz blanched. "Perhaps it were best that I and my people remained in Alterac." he admitted slowly.
Your father only clenched his hand till Nagaz winced as the felfire started to burn through his furs. "That would be best, yes."
The amusements over, your father having dropped a few more names you assumed were of powerful demons, senior in the Legion's heirachy, you turned to the approaching warbands making their way swiftly across the plain of Desolace.
Actually the RPG book doesn't list any pop numbers for Silvermoon et al. There is indeed the '90% dead, 90% blood elves, 10%(ish) go with Kael to Outland' repeated in a few sources.
I don't recall where I got 20k from, but even if you said there was a million of them, that still only leaves about 100k left now which isn't many, probably fewer in terms of pop than the Orcs for example.
I can do an infopost on thoughts about high elf demography if people are interested and want to go talk to them.
You can have riders sure, it might require some more negociation with the Black dragons you have but it's possible yes.
Get the foundries set up and I'll just award you some, not a problem.
I've opined on thi sbefore but essentially I think in most cases the 'corruption' is overblown. Deathwing is mad yes, most of the rest of the dragons are fine, they're perfectly rational, and they're no more 'corrupted' than the average orc is because of the Fel etc and the increased bloodlust it cases. This is also because the Old Gods are building up now but if they actively tried to influence dragons and others then yea through their pyschic power they could do so, but that takes a lot of effort which is why they've been trying to corrupt others through Deathwing.
The only thing I'll say about this is that I've been very deliberate about which dragons are in Alterac and what Kalaran as the main representative has been saying.
You probably wouldn't see dragons actually fighting each other if you and Rend both had an airforce for example. That might mean they just engage in dominance battles but don't actually kill eachother. However, having them is still a useful force and you might negociate for example, 20 dragonriders who you promise not to attack rend with. See for example Ukraine not beign allowed to us US weapons against Russia now.
Indeed, higher level warlocks and blademasters are extremely powerful in willpower, which enables them to take on corrupting energies and use them. The idea of the Fel as this corruptive force which forces peopel to go mad would be insulting to a lot of Fel Orc Blademasters. Haomarush is currently the expert on this as he's had this whole eugenics thing going on recently.
It's not necessarily that elementals are inherently evil. Grok views them as capricious and unreliable, in the same way that there's often negative views of wolves because of their history with humans. Ultimately, elementals are fundamentally differnet from mortals, they don't have the same concerns or understnadings of ethics or actions.
I would note this as something that came to mind when thinking about it.
Ragnaros is the ruler of an ancient plane of existance, and has been for uncounted eaons, since before the Titans came to Azeroth and ordered life. Ragnaros isn't just a guy, he's an inherent part of the elemental plane itself potentially.
there are indeed elementals which have a good relationship with their shaman, and people get along well with the more respectful elementals who are more disciplined. But Grok's view, based on his experience, is that he has to be careful with them and therefore that he's willing to be more aggressive with them etc.
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good to know I thought so cause why would the n'zoth waste his time on lower ranking ones when deathwing his children and consort are the more logical ones to courrpt cause of their power and even then only if deathwing isn't there cause they will follow him anyway
So it was like the black dragonflight joined their leader out of filial loyalty to a degree?
Yup. They act according to their nature as an elemental. They think and act different from the lives of mortals which includes acting in their interests of their elemental sign.
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I mean it makes sense dragonaspects are kinda wired to be loyal to the titans (its not compelte as shown by deathwing, malagos, ysearea and nozdumu all going mad but its still likely a part of it)if I recall and if so why wouldn't their flights to similar to their aspects
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It's also to a genetic degree as well with a patriarch or matriarch in the draconic sense.
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In doubt there's always the Sun!
Yeah, Im operating under the assumption that wild fel is even harder to manage but as long you do your mind is fully your own.
Which would be something that the demonsword would be all for.
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you know speaking of the dragonflights and the titans I have think about how it is just cruel what amulthal did to nozdumu like showing the guy the one timeline they wanted to protect making him see his friends and brothers nerferian (deathwing) and malgos full to madness and have to be killed seeing one of his sisters yseare be forcable corrupted and then seeing his sister alexstrasa being kept as a slave by the dragonmaw clan so her children can be used as mounts by the dragonmaw clan during the wars and then seeing his own death and courption as moruzond like geez you did not need to show him the timeline like that knowing he cant do anything to change that (unless I am misremebering but I don't think I am since noz seems to know a lot of things he shouldn't)
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I can only think of Tirion or Kartha. Tirion does need allies for his modernisation of the Scarlets and Kartha just acts in the shadows professionally.
Vark would be surprising when his goals are simple and illustrated in the past before. He doesn't have the big picture that he trusts Grok with.
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I do wonder how alterac is doing on the whole nation ranking it started at 2 in everything
edit :also wonder what new things come up and see if we benefit from
edit :also wonder what new things come up and see if we benefit from
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There are water elementals you can ally with, in Classic its Duke Hydraxis who gets players to go fight Ragnaros
To an extent yes, but also I would expect it's partly sociology, animal pack dynamics, as well as to some extent magical compulsion. Some of this magic would have been some sort of familial yearning to follow their flight leader, other parts would indeed have been old god corruption in certain individuals
I just want to differentiate between the old gods just puppeting everyone in a sort of boring hive mind way, and dragons choosing to serve their flight leader etc
So, we've had 50k words in this year alone so it'll have certanily developed.
Military, difficult, 4-6, the military is sizeable and clearly able to carry out limited expeditionary action, but is still necessary to maintain order
Diplo, also difficult, probably 4, little influence in international affairs, but some in particular areas
Econ, 1-2, not doing great. Regent Gregor has done well in some stuff but there's still a lot of farmers having issues and it takes time to rebuild. A large amount of external aid is just going to feeding and equiping the orcs
Internal, 4 as long as Grok is there with a monopoly on the use of force, which he does
The main problem is all of the stability of Alterac is bound up with Grok and the Orcs. The Royal Army is maybe 2000 relatively professional but still not super reliable soldiers, while the Syndicate nobles have got their own retinues etc. Alterac could raise 10k troops if it wanted, but they'd be very poor quality as an army and limited to only defensive actions/garrison duties, so not really an army.
meanwhile, Grok now has 20k orcs, almost all of whom are significantly better soldiers due to their lifestyle than any of the Alteraci. Some of Grok's Orcs are even better, eg he has 27 Blademasters, hundreds of shaman and warlocks, other forces he can all on if necessary and a relatively diverse army with different capabilities.
Grok is also one of the only reasons the kingdom is staying together, because the Syndicate know he's basically the only thing stopping Dathrohan from just marching in and taking over formally and burning them all. There's a dual economy going on with Gregor trying to stimulate trade, commerce and industry while balancing the very corrupt Syndicate nobles, but there's also the weird tribal/militaristic Orc economy where sometimes a load of orcs will just show up and confiscate your stuff because they want it for the war effort.
If Grok and the orcs suddently left, the kingdom would likely devolve into exactly he same state as before, with the Syndicate nobles probably maintaing some facade of unity to stop them getting annexed, but also being largely unable to defend or fund themselves.
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An interesting state of affairs where we're basically Hesse-Kassel (aka: "Hessians") in Azeroth right now. Where the state (as much as we can be called a state) supply troops to others in exchange for various forms of repayment.
Though, Hesse-Kassel managed to do pretty well for itself economically off the back of that:
Though, Hesse-Kassel managed to do pretty well for itself economically off the back of that:
While Alterac is in a much messier state. Granted, Alterac is just only now entering the lofty heights of "not a completely war-torn and divided trashfire" while Hesse-Kassel was at this sort of business for much longer from a stable position. But there's some interesting parallels that could happen depending on how this state of affairs develops.
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