CedeTheBees
Probably high right now
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[X] Go to one of the other teams
-[X] Shale, in the warehouses
-[X] Shale, in the warehouses
NorseQuest (A Norse Xianxia)
- Thread starter I.F. Ister
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- Original Fantasy Action
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- norse mythology (mythology) original xianxia cultivation western cultivation ask sirihand did your mother tell you anything? discussion pleases yggdrasil farming gloating gets people killed granary management hubris is a coward's word you will die norsemen do not die when they are killed the qm has a bad memory the qm is bad at math viking courtroom drama (legal drama) vikings
[X] Go to one of the other teams
-[X] Shale, in the warehouses
-[X] Shale, in the warehouses
[X] Go to one of the other teams
-[X] Shale, in the warehouses
-[X] Shale, in the warehouses
Shard
One and Many
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By the way, Halla/Hallr,
Is there a Seidr 'equivalent' to a duel? Two seers or seeresses duke it out with Seidr? And similarly for Skalds.
Also, legally speaking, after Horra was outlawed, was he considered to be a stranger to his own family? So when he tried to kinslay his own family, it wasn't Nid??
Is there a Seidr 'equivalent' to a duel? Two seers or seeresses duke it out with Seidr? And similarly for Skalds.
Also, legally speaking, after Horra was outlawed, was he considered to be a stranger to his own family? So when he tried to kinslay his own family, it wasn't Nid??
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Nah. I think he got metric shitloads of nid for doing that, he just wasn't in the mood to care and then died immediately so it never came up. Nid is cultural, not legal, and outlaws are still culturally expected to care about their kin (if not always vice versa).
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Shard
One and Many
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Mostly Horra had pitiful enough Orthsirr that he might have just gone all the way to 0 Orthsirr, then died, which would have been exciting.
... Horra also had something like an Armory Pocket equivalent back at that Trial, right? Or was that a Fast?
...... Was Horra a Berserk?
......... Did Hasvir ever talk about the Hasvirbot at the Trial?
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Nah, he had a few hundred. We've been told he was actually netting a pretty solid total Orthstirr gain every year just by being rich and successful. I'm sure his stunt cost him a lot of Orthstirr, but him having some left is pretty plausible.
In game terms, our Drengskapr never effects our Orthstirr gain from property or Feats at year's end, so his Odreng wouldn't either. Horra was old and scary with it and rich to boot. He was likely gaining at least 50 Orthstirr a year just from all that alone (we'll hit over 40 this coming year, though exactly how much our farm gives is a tad unclear) and had a total of something like seven years to do so just since getting to the Hading.
There was definitely some nid in there as well, but not enough to balance our 300-400 gain just from time and wealth. And that's just since he got to the Hading.
It was probably a Fast, yeah, he was a shapecrafter and has easy access to creating those.
Horra could make berserks. He was a berserk if he wanted to be one, but shapeshifting slots were also something he'd have a lot of easy access to, so using a Fast for storage alone wouldn't be any great hardship for him. I'd be inclined to say he probably wasn't a berserk, based on his behavior and capabilities, but that was a conscious choice on his part.
He did not, though evidence suggests he was piloting it. Veny or Hirkir are the most likely suspects for who made it, but Hasvir doing it himself isn't impossible.
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Shard
One and Many
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Oh, and Fasts and Combat and Enough Hamr.
Store a shitton of high end giga Orthsirr burning tricks in Fasts.
Alpha Strike with like 27 finisher level tricks that each have like several hundred Orthsirr packed into them
Convert all your Fasts into something actually useful
Start fighting for real
Store a shitton of high end giga Orthsirr burning tricks in Fasts.
Alpha Strike with like 27 finisher level tricks that each have like several hundred Orthsirr packed into them
Convert all your Fasts into something actually useful
Start fighting for real
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This has been suggested before. It's so ridiculously abusive I can't imagine it's allowed, but we should probably put it to bed:
@Imperial Fister can you put 500 Orthstirr into a Trick and then store it in a Fast and unleash it later after your Orthstirr has recovered with, like, 490 bonus dice? Or are you limited to only storing the base version with no extra Orthstirr spent on dice?
Shard
One and Many
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Even just the base version would be pretty brutal TBH, if you design a trick specifically to exploit it.
There's probably various OP exploits in the Norse System TBH. Hallr did say he would have executed the Jomsvikings if he had prep.
I.F. Ister
Fortifying The Thread
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There are, yes.
He was not
You can do that. However, it works like putting orthstirr into, say, your attributes. You don't get the orthstirr you spent back until you use the trick.
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Ah! That makes sense. and gives little reason to actually do that most of the time with any Tricks at all (since there's no cost break vs. just doing them on the fly), though there are a few niche circumstances...
Actually, I bet you can store a Trick like that, move it out of your Capacity, and still use the stored versions, though that's a versatility boost rather than a power boost. That's not worth it for us, but it probably is for someone.
I.F. Ister
Fortifying The Thread
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The cost isn't why you store tricks in fasts. I'm not going to tell you exactly why you might want to use fasts in combat, but it can be a real game changer if done right
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Well, the question is whether it's mail structurally. The thing about chain mail is that you can 'stitch' it together... [snip explanation]
Oooh, that is a concern maybe.
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Shard
One and Many
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Instant cast Tricks? A trick that takes like 1 hour to cast, but that you dump it in an instant would be brutal.
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They probably don't take an action, happening instantly. That's quite good, but I don't think it's worth a non-shapecrafted shapeshifting slot. Not for us, anyway.
As I mentioned in a later post, we still have to melt them down. Armor from defeated enemies is very bad luck.
I don't think we've ever seen a Trick that takes anywhere close to that long...I'm honestly not convinced they exist. But instant Tricks are still pretty good, yeah.
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Yeah, sorry. I figured out what you were getting at and edited the post, but too late.
Shard
One and Many
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I wonder if you can fold the tricks you put in your Fast.
Instant multicast tricks.
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Imagine being on the other side of a 3x Folded Sparkbomb cast at instant speed.
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No worries, that's definitely happened to me before.
That might be possible, yeah. I dunno whether three of those stored up is worth a shapeshifting slot. Maybe? Having one trick stored like that is, on the other hand, definitely worth three Pockets later on (I'm thinking in terms of when we have two shapeshifting slots worth of Fasts, filling only, like, 5 of the 6 with Frenzy and using Pockets for any additional Frenzy), so we can probably work something out in that regard long term.
We should maybe experiment a bit and see if this works the way we think it does.
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AeonIlluminate
The power of friendship and aggressive landscaping
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Deadman, master of training plans, any chance we have a research dice "free" we could drop on messing around with fasts and tricks in the next turns training?
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Free is always relative, but I might be able to scare one up...it's probably more urgent and immediately applicable than trying to Alloy Sword and Standstill, though I hate continuing to put that off. Tentatively added for now.
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AeonIlluminate
The power of friendship and aggressive landscaping
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i dont really understand how training dice work, but could we nick one of the dice from the passive training of random downtime skills, like Design or Management?
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I mean, Design is actually really important to getting our soulspace shipshape, and Management is extremely relevant to our actual farm. None of the things we're training are random or just because...we actually want and need them or we wouldn't be training them. Some we definitely want more than others, of course, but we do want all of them.
But like I said, I put off checking an Alloy that probably won't work (though it'd be sweet if it did, hence wanting to check). Experimenting with folded Tricks in a Fast is in the plan.
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