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IIRC people do this to dwarves sometimes. It never ends well.
NorseQuest (A Norse Xianxia)
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IIRC people do this to dwarves sometimes. It never ends well.
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Will this involve a Silver-Tongue roll?
Strictly speaking there's nothing stopping us from doing partial infusions.
It looks fairly likely that higher realms will probably give us more Odr per turn though. Otherwise getting to the higher realms will require rapidly unfeasible amounts of Odr.
I don't think it's Born in Fire that does that, specifically. The Red Hair and Steel Eyes is from being related to Odin.
Hopefully the Steely eyes have no relation to Steel.
Sound-based escapades?
*looks at the Skalds voice based shenanigans*
Hmmmmm....
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Man, now that I think about it, how the hell did Hallr fight against Steelfathers? Because like, they're immortal and everything, they should've been higher realms than Hallr in true norse cultivation, not to mention they have their invulnerable bodies thanks to Steel. Hallr's talent might have let him reach realms higher than even them possibly, but even then the Steelfathers still have steel. Nor do I think Hallr's cultivation level was high enough to casually stomp Steelfathers for most of his life. If I had to guess what gave him so much power, it'd be his specialisation in fire hugareida - specifically, Ilmarinen's Fire - on top of his own monstrous talent. There's the possibility that Steel interferes with true cultivation and hampers it, too, but we haven't actually seen any evidence that's the case. Still crazy to imagine he could take on 7 Steelfather's with 'preparations'... I reckon that the Jomsvikings Steelfathers are probably true cultivators too.
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Halla, or Hallr, even if you were hypothetically able to just kill Corpsemaker there and then.. This is a wedding, Halla. Wouldn't want to ruin it.
Also, I'm pretty sure Eric, your brother, would be obligated to defend Corpsemaker if you tried to kill him.
So you know.
There's more than just 'you are not strong enough' standing between you and killing Corpsemaker.
Come on Halfdan, Steinarr. Having tried to kill each other on the field of battle once is no reason you can be amiably friendly!
Why, Halla herself nearly killed Tryggr, Abjorn got Trausti, and they're her friends, Huskarls now! Bram Ironjaw actually up and killed Blackhand and Blackhand considers him a friend! I would go so far as to suggest that Bram killing Rainmaker was a revenge killing for Rainmaker killing Blackhand.
IIRC 9, of which most or all of them had Odr/True Cultivation. Plus an Enemy-mediated surprise attack.
Steelfathers can't gain Orthsirr too, they need Ironmasks to gain it for them.
Pretty sure they have other problems too, as otherwise there would be Steelfathers running around everywhere.
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I mean, they were all leaders of the most prestigious warband in Viking lands. While they couldn't gain orthstirr for themselves, I can't imagine them not having fuckloads of it, either. Definitely not as much as Hallr, but enough to pose a threat. Nor does it really change the fact that Steelfathers are fucking monsters, and Hallr was a literal main character.
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There's also a fair bit of the celtic Bard in D&D bards. A well-written 'satire' could curse the fuck out of you according to that mythology.
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Hey Blackhand,
Did you ever find out how Solrun earned her right to know about Odr? Presumably there's a way other than force of arms.
Why is it 'Gaze of Steel' and not 'Gaze of Iron'? Don't we have a grudge against Steel or something?
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I hope the Celts are still around in this timeline, perhaps in modern day Scotland. If the timeline can get wonky it can definitely introduce cultures that were just kind of wrecked!
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Halla is aesthetically a lot like Athena from the Greek myths:
1) Wields a spear, is a warrior.
2) Good at Hugr and Hugr dependant stuff like Seidr (or is actively trying to get better anyway).
3) Is associated with the Owl.
4) Really likes learning and teaching.
5) She's a craftswoman.
... Of course, I don't thinm any of the characters in the story even know the Greek myths. So no connection to be made there, alas.
Did you ever find out how Solrun earned her right to know about Odr? Presumably there's a way other than force of arms.
Why is it 'Gaze of Steel' and not 'Gaze of Iron'? Don't we have a grudge against Steel or something?
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I hope the Celts are still around in this timeline, perhaps in modern day Scotland. If the timeline can get wonky it can definitely introduce cultures that were just kind of wrecked!
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Halla is aesthetically a lot like Athena from the Greek myths:
1) Wields a spear, is a warrior.
2) Good at Hugr and Hugr dependant stuff like Seidr (or is actively trying to get better anyway).
3) Is associated with the Owl.
4) Really likes learning and teaching.
5) She's a craftswoman.
... Of course, I don't thinm any of the characters in the story even know the Greek myths. So no connection to be made there, alas.
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Hmm, I'm guessing something like a warhammer or mace just isn't Norse from this perspective?
The which is assumed to worship the morrigan, iirc, and I recal... Hallr, I think? Saying there was a dude with multiple pupils wrecking shit in Ireland, around the time the traded man first appeared in a sirihand answer.
I mean, Steinarr has Greek letters on his virthing swords, and he could have been sent that way while in the guard, same with the others....
And if Blackhand went there, he would have tried to look for the old forge of Hephaestus for sure, right?
Perhaps it's a rock paper scissor game with the 3 paths? With errants being a mix and match?
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Nobody is literally D&D Bards, because D&D is twenty different settings poured into a blender at high speed. The mix includes Greek pegasi, Arabian djinn, Celtic fey, Norse giants, Egyptian sphinx, Greek sphinx too, Western chromatic dragons, Eastern metallic dragons, some monsters are based on Japanese kaiju figurines, it's wild.
Even 2e D&D bards are not 3e D&D bards. Please stop flattening both the game and the forum quest, you are vastly exaggerating the similarities.
That is my opinion not yours and it's not a one to one approximation anyways. It's just the closest thing of our media that can be comparable to skalds that a majority of people can instantly make comparison to.
I'm not overly exaggerating anything other than using an iconic example so please get off your high horse.
I'm not overly exaggerating anything other than using an iconic example so please get off your high horse.
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I'm skeptical. More Orthstirr already does that, and would have the same effect. The two being multiplicative sounds like it would cause cultivation to speed up as you went through the Realms, which seems unlikely to me.
He would definitely be higher Realm than them in context, I think. And I also get the impression that becoming a Steelfather stalls out your cultivation in general. They need people to get them Orthstirr after all, and I highly doubt that the effect that causes that doesn't do anything to Odr cultivation...I'm not sure exactly what, but I'm sure it's not an easy thing. Ilmarinen's Fire also definitely helped him actually ignore their invulnerability, and he had (it sounds like) multiple pieces of The Weapon, which probably helped as well.
Men At Arms aren't real cultivators, so yes. The actual meta seems pretty clear that Knights reign supreme at direct martial combat (especially against non-cultivators due to invulnerability to non-magical stuff), and Priests have the best magic. I'm not as sure what Nobles have going but they may well have mind-effecting stuff like Skalds, and almost certainly have stuff to aid them in administering their domains...social stuff to the Knights physical stuff and Priests mental stuff. There's probably more overlap between Priests and Nobles than either have with Knights.
Errants, I think, being those outside the system to some degree, are not specialized in any of those things and, in effect, just weaker than the other three branches. They're still cultivators and thus scary as hell, but not as much so as any of the other three branches in their own area. They are likely also less restricted by quite a bit, and likely good enough generalists to beat the other three in areas outside their primary one (ie: better at physical stuff than Priests or Nobles of the same level, better at magic and Noble stuff than Knights of the same level).
In this world, as the culture shifts, so does Cultivation. The revolutionaries likely have their own Cultivation method and one specifically revolving around destroying the aristocracy at that. Dunno exactly how that would work and they'd likely still need a number of them to take out high end cultivators...but it's doable.
Interesting point. Yeah, that seems likely unless being a Steelfather kills your senses and we have no evidence of that. Though thinking about it, he probably doesn't care except inasmuch as he may want to recruit us. Remember that most people with Odr don't have Blackhand in their head, so it is generally just an indication that you're really badass (or, at least, going to become so long term if you survive) not of any specific ideology or agenda.
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Gods, I can feel the war saga is already shaping up to be an absolute shitshow.
Let me put up what I know:
Erikaer is the Jarl of Jurgdby, and Halla/Hallr hates him. <- This makes the war saga even more of a headache.
Erikaer is the Steelfather of the Kyrsvikingr. <- The Kyrsvikingr will be involved in this shitshow.
Erikaer knows that we're conducting True Norse Cultivation. <- We are in the spotlight, for good and for ill. Mostly ill.
Erikaer knows Sten can forge Steel. <- Like us, Sten is a notable target.
Erikaer has just set up/is setting up a Kyrvikingr outpost in Asvir, indicating Warband Politics is happening, because normally Dorri would already represent Erikaer. <- This will severely complicate the situation.
Dorri Rattlespear, our Jarl, is kin to Erikaer. <- This will drag us into the war saga unless we want to pack up and leave or something.
Our friend Folkmarr Manetaker (+his hird Audrikr Fishfighter) is kin to Dorri Rattlespear. <- Folkmarr will be part of the war saga whether he likes it or not.
Eric, our brother, is a Stoneson of the Kyrsvikingr. <- This is a potentially major source of family drama and grief.
Geirmund Helskin, Jarl of Rogaland, Hates Erikaer. <- This will start The War Saga.
Rogaland people include Lars Forktongue, Jordan Sharkmouth, and their respective Felagis. <- These people are fairly strong fighters who will (almost definitely) hate us.
If Eric wasn't part of the Kyrsvikingr, I would be seriously considering seeing if we can pack up our respective families and friends, then just head to the Danelaw. This is probably impractical for a host of reasons, but it's awfully tempting to just avoid the War Saga, which looks like it's going to be turbo shitshow.
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Hey Halla, what does the Law look like on bodily killing another norseman? Does it start a blood feud?
Also, do you know what the custom is on how you should treat people who bodily killed you?
Is Geirmund Helskin a Steelfather, and does he lead a warband?
What do you know about the rumors about Erikaer officiating two weddings here now? Rumors are repuation.
Let me put up what I know:
Erikaer is the Jarl of Jurgdby, and Halla/Hallr hates him. <- This makes the war saga even more of a headache.
Erikaer is the Steelfather of the Kyrsvikingr. <- The Kyrsvikingr will be involved in this shitshow.
Erikaer knows that we're conducting True Norse Cultivation. <- We are in the spotlight, for good and for ill. Mostly ill.
Erikaer knows Sten can forge Steel. <- Like us, Sten is a notable target.
Erikaer has just set up/is setting up a Kyrvikingr outpost in Asvir, indicating Warband Politics is happening, because normally Dorri would already represent Erikaer. <- This will severely complicate the situation.
Dorri Rattlespear, our Jarl, is kin to Erikaer. <- This will drag us into the war saga unless we want to pack up and leave or something.
Our friend Folkmarr Manetaker (+his hird Audrikr Fishfighter) is kin to Dorri Rattlespear. <- Folkmarr will be part of the war saga whether he likes it or not.
Eric, our brother, is a Stoneson of the Kyrsvikingr. <- This is a potentially major source of family drama and grief.
Geirmund Helskin, Jarl of Rogaland, Hates Erikaer. <- This will start The War Saga.
Rogaland people include Lars Forktongue, Jordan Sharkmouth, and their respective Felagis. <- These people are fairly strong fighters who will (almost definitely) hate us.
If Eric wasn't part of the Kyrsvikingr, I would be seriously considering seeing if we can pack up our respective families and friends, then just head to the Danelaw. This is probably impractical for a host of reasons, but it's awfully tempting to just avoid the War Saga, which looks like it's going to be turbo shitshow.
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Hey Halla, what does the Law look like on bodily killing another norseman? Does it start a blood feud?
Also, do you know what the custom is on how you should treat people who bodily killed you?
Is Geirmund Helskin a Steelfather, and does he lead a warband?
What do you know about the rumors about Erikaer officiating two weddings here now? Rumors are repuation.
[X] Yes, yes you will
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Related? In what way? I don't recall this at all.
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In fairness, she hates Steelfathers in general, it seems like.
As Constenanto notes, I'm not clear this is true. Dorri definitely owes fealty to Corpsemaker, so I'm not sure it makes a difference, but I don't recall them being blood relatives.
This is incorrect. Corpsemaker runs Jurgby and a Warband, Geirmund is after Oddr the Grouch, the actual ruler of the Kingdom of Agder, in which we live (Geirmund was friends with the old king, who Oddr killed). Corpsemaker is only on his radar as a threat within that kingdom, not his primary target.
IIRC, Imperial Fister actually noted that, for whatever reason, Steelfather's aren't usually running around being Kings, so I don't think Oddr or Geirmund are Steelfathers.
Which also means we wouldn't be fighting for a Steelfather in the war, just on the same side as one (and the other side likely has one or more as well).
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I wonder if it would be possible for us to go to Mikkalgard and join the Guard
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It's from a very long-ago post, so it might not be the case:
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That, at least, is a relief.
it's still going to be messy as hell, of course.