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This seems like the perfect recipe for a mutiny
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Trying to enslave them feels like a better recipe for a mutiny. Offering them an hand its probably better to settle things peacfuly.
We just say "it was just a job guys, no hard feelings" and go our separate ways. And maybe some of them will prefer to stay with our crew.
It worked with Tryggr and Trausti afterall.
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If we do this we should give him the squire too.
Be funny if it's a holy sword possessed by an angel. "Look, I can't be expected to tell the difference between God and Satan. Literally a heathen here."
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Sure but
1 Tryggr and Trausti were raiding us not the other way around which made the whole thing where we stabbed one of them through the eye a lot more forgivable
2 "it was just a job guys, no hard feelings" is not how they are going to see us rolling up to their castle killing their friends and stealing almost everything they owned.
If I was in that situation I'd have a shit ton of hard feelings and if I had the opportunity would express those hard feelings using a sword
You make good points, but the same can be said if we turn them into thralls. My option at least attempts to mitigate the damage.
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The Thanes aren't Norse, though, which makes a couple of really big and important differences:
1. Their attitude is not likely to be nearly as businesslike about the whole matter. These guys are very unlikely to see this as 'all part of the game' like Tryggr and Trausti.
2. Cultivation-wise, these guys have no future with us, so they won't stay on the crew very long. They need land of their own for their cultivation, ideally in quantities they aren't gonna get in Agder, and likely a formal relationship with a ruler. They might head for the Danelaw rather than back to Wessex, but they're not gonna stay long.
If we turn them into thralls, the plan is not to keep them personally, it is to sell them. At which point those issues are mostly someone else's problem. Having given them a choice, I doubt their resentment will be enough for them to come looking for us, but we don't want them around either, I don't think.
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[X] Give the Thanes a choice between thralldom and Alfred's justice
[X] Thoroughly loot the sea-fort
[X] Go get to know your Kinsman
[X] Give the Thanes a choice between thralldom and Alfred's justice
[X] Thoroughly loot the sea-fort
[X] Go get to know your Kinsman
Good point, but i still think mine its a better offer than "hey guys! Wanna be my slaves?". Who the fuck would't be offended by that?
That looks like the Jarl or Headsman problem, we are just offering them a trip away from the Kingdom of Wessex. If they want to go to the Danelaw or somewere else its up to them.
Even if we sell them, their resentment would be greater than if we offered to leave them freemen.
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Anyone I've ever met but if they're thralls then they can't use tricks and don't have weapons
so the risk is a lot lower
I honestly couldn't care less if they're offended. If they're so scared of their king that if given the choice between facing his justice or thralldom that they pick thralldom that's their problem. And we probably wouldn't have been needed to be hired to begin with.
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It's a better offer for them, yeah. But it's not a better offer for us. We gain very little out of it and frankly it may cause serious issues with Alfred since it's effectively just freeing them.
The thing is that makes recruiting them worth a lot less. They'll likely be gone real quick before they can even prove themselves useful. Unless bound with harsh oaths they are likely to resent. And I, for one, don't want people who resent us backing us in fights.
Sure, but as long as it isn't murderous resentment or enough to make them actual enemies, I don't actually care that much whether they resent us if we never see them again.
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This is a really neat idea actually!
Our dad was a Varangian Guard, and the Guard was such a common destination for dispossessed English noblemen that it became known as "the English Guard" after a while, so we could even offer to make introductions!
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[X] Offer the Thanes a choice, join yuor crew and go in exile to Norway or face Alfred justice
[X] Thoroughly loot the sea-fort
[X] Get to know your kinsman
I didn't know abaout that, its really interesting.
And yeah, joining the Varangian Guard sounds like a more appealing offer than begin enslaved or killed.
It was such a big thing that the Crimea became known as "New England" (or well, Anglo Novum or something) for a while because so many Varangians settled there.
The medieval 'New England': a forgotten Anglo-Saxon colony on the north-eastern Black Sea coast
Although the name 'New England' is now firmly associated with the east coast of America, this is not the first place to be called that. In t...
Especially big waves of exiles after 1066, for obvious reasons.
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"I am not without mercy, " Halla spoke to the Thanes, who all had sparks of hope and relief flash across their faces as she did. She had given the Norsemen a chance to ransom themselves, so maybe..
"I will give you a choice. You can be made Thralls, or you can face your King Alfred's justice. Choose."
In an instant all hope was crushed.
Roflmao
Louis: Fuck this shit I'm out.
Norse: Wait, you don't just leave a fight like- No, that's not how a fight works! What are you doing?! Stop!
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[X] Give the Thanes a choice between thralldom and Alfred's justice
[X] Thoroughly loot the sea-fort
[X] Get to know your kinsman
[X] Give the Thanes a choice between thralldom and Alfred's justice
[X] Thoroughly loot the sea-fort
[X] Get to know your kinsman
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Yeah, that would probably be their reaction. This is why i think we should give them better options than "slavery or near certain death on order of the king".
If both options are bad, they will choose the one who will allow them to keep their freedom.
With my idea instead, they are more likely to accept. Have you already voted a plan or would you vote my idea?
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I'm actually pretty doubtful the death is certain, though it's possible, I'll grant you.
To expand on that, King Alfred needs men. Killing these ones is a waste, poor resource management. I think he'd strip them of their lands and force them to attempt various tasks to earn them back. This is particularly true is we're right about how Thane cultivation works (ie: based on land ownership, but losing your land stalls progress rather than removing your powers), as this is actually one of the few ways Alfred could get more warriors than he has the land to magically support.
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You make good points, but he already sent us to make exemples of them. So they are probably liking him even less than they like us, and even if
they are forgiven for their defiance they going to pay a high price.
Joining us and going in exile to start from scratch might look like a better option to them than staying there with the king who at worst wants them dead and at best will strip them of their lands and send them in dangerous missions to prove their loyalty.
We lose nothing in asking, if they say yes we gain a bunch of Cultivators on our side. If they say no then its not our problem anymore.
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Eh...'on our side' is fairly strongly overstating the situation, I think. They aren't actually gonna like us or stick with us long term if given any choice at all. We might get them for a hot minute, I guess, but I'd be reluctant to rely on them.
Probably not, but who knows?
Most of the crew are not our friends, but we keep them araound. They can still be useful.
I mean, I am for turning them into Thralls... but like I have no interest in keeping them. We can make a stop on our way home and fob them off on some other Norse community in exchange for silver. They also have use as shares to dole out to members of our crew who DO want thralls to take home. If they take thralls that means more other loot we get to take as our share. It means more hands rowing to get us home too.
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We did not ruin the everything of our crew.
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Shame we can only pick 2 afterbattle activities. 3 would be better..