NorseQuest (A Norse Xianxia)
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I mean, Golden Chain is a defensive style.... And Golden Horn felt like a defensive finisher to me.
Hm.... Perhaps, a mix of IAT and Mire ward? Have a bigger AoE, and make anything bigger than a fist slow down, anything bigger than a dog stop or something like that?
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[X] Plan Okay, we'll be less fast and less aggressive.
-[X] 79d6 Attack (79d6 tricks)
-[X] 6d6 Defense (6d6 tricks)
-[X] 0d6 Intercept
-[X] Maintain Slipstream (-16 Orthstirr) and remain in the air with Ember-Wing Cloak and stay there (-6 Orthstirr, all subsequent actions include the +1d6 from Skyfire).
-[X] Quick Recall Sagaseeker back to our hand (-1 Orthsirr). Also Quick Recall Abjorn's sword and shield, if he hasn't picked them up (-1 Orthsirr each). Look, you might be a Magpie but you'll damn well own up to it!
-[X] Throw out up to 2 30d6 Inertia-Arresting Throws w/Puncture at Abjorn (29d6 Attack, 1d6 Skyfire). If/When he's caught up in one, Sparkbomb Abjorn with a 2d6 Sparkbomb w/Puncture (1d6 Attack, 1d6 Skyfire - Abjorn's obviously going to break out of IAT, so no need to over-invest). Follow up with a 60d6 Inertia-Arresting Throw w/Puncture (19d6 Attack, 40d6 Orthsirr, 1d6 Skyfire), then charge Abjorn with a 2d6 (1d6 Attack, 1d6 Skyfire) Lightning-Enhanced Firebomb strike (w/Puncture).
-[X] If he uses his wrestling counterattack on us, use all three of our Fight Of Our Life uses and any remaining Stoker State dice on the opposed roll (+36 dice). Counterattack with our 3-Folded IAT, stun Abjorn with a dainty kiss, then (if the spar is somehow still ongoing at that point) finish him off with a Lightning-Enhanced Skewer-Flick trick.
-[X] By default use Atgeir Bodyguard to defend against everything. For the first melee attack that gets through Atgeir Bodyguard, use a 60d6 Slice Aside (1d6 Defend, 59 Orthsirr) and counterattack with another Lightning-Enhanced Firebomb Strike.
-[X] In response to anything that gets through Atgeir Bodyguard other than that first melee attack use Halting Vortex (-4 Orthstirr) and/or Sidestep (-2 Orthstirr) as appropriate, and if something gets through those use up to five 60d6+9 Reinforcedx58 Sway defenses (-60 Orthstirr each).
-[X] Tactics – IAT Abjorn, then hit him with hard attacks that should break past his DR. If/When Abjorn does his Wrestling trick against us again, turn the tables back against him and repay his favor.. umm... once-fold! Stop attacking if Abjorn gets to half his endurance or otherwise seems noticeably injured.
This is kind of a joke plan, I honestly can't really take this spar seriously. Abjorn's basically won already, he's going to Glima us until Halla gives in. Orthsirr count is probably off and all, don't really want to math it out..
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Having said that, we could IAT-Sparkbomb spam Abjorn if we want to keep the fight at range. He has enough DR that that isn't the most workable thing though.
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Standstill Finale Workshop names:
Stillspace
Standstill < Yes just the Hugareida's name in itself.
Time Stop < Feels a bit hubristic
Lockdown < Kinda like this one.
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So uhh
Nobody's voting?
-[X] 79d6 Attack (79d6 tricks)
-[X] 6d6 Defense (6d6 tricks)
-[X] 0d6 Intercept
-[X] Maintain Slipstream (-16 Orthstirr) and remain in the air with Ember-Wing Cloak and stay there (-6 Orthstirr, all subsequent actions include the +1d6 from Skyfire).
-[X] Quick Recall Sagaseeker back to our hand (-1 Orthsirr). Also Quick Recall Abjorn's sword and shield, if he hasn't picked them up (-1 Orthsirr each). Look, you might be a Magpie but you'll damn well own up to it!
-[X] Throw out up to 2 30d6 Inertia-Arresting Throws w/Puncture at Abjorn (29d6 Attack, 1d6 Skyfire). If/When he's caught up in one, Sparkbomb Abjorn with a 2d6 Sparkbomb w/Puncture (1d6 Attack, 1d6 Skyfire - Abjorn's obviously going to break out of IAT, so no need to over-invest). Follow up with a 60d6 Inertia-Arresting Throw w/Puncture (19d6 Attack, 40d6 Orthsirr, 1d6 Skyfire), then charge Abjorn with a 2d6 (1d6 Attack, 1d6 Skyfire) Lightning-Enhanced Firebomb strike (w/Puncture).
-[X] If he uses his wrestling counterattack on us, use all three of our Fight Of Our Life uses and any remaining Stoker State dice on the opposed roll (+36 dice). Counterattack with our 3-Folded IAT, stun Abjorn with a dainty kiss, then (if the spar is somehow still ongoing at that point) finish him off with a Lightning-Enhanced Skewer-Flick trick.
-[X] By default use Atgeir Bodyguard to defend against everything. For the first melee attack that gets through Atgeir Bodyguard, use a 60d6 Slice Aside (1d6 Defend, 59 Orthsirr) and counterattack with another Lightning-Enhanced Firebomb Strike.
-[X] In response to anything that gets through Atgeir Bodyguard other than that first melee attack use Halting Vortex (-4 Orthstirr) and/or Sidestep (-2 Orthstirr) as appropriate, and if something gets through those use up to five 60d6+9 Reinforcedx58 Sway defenses (-60 Orthstirr each).
-[X] Tactics – IAT Abjorn, then hit him with hard attacks that should break past his DR. If/When Abjorn does his Wrestling trick against us again, turn the tables back against him and repay his favor.. umm... once-fold! Stop attacking if Abjorn gets to half his endurance or otherwise seems noticeably injured.
This is kind of a joke plan, I honestly can't really take this spar seriously. Abjorn's basically won already, he's going to Glima us until Halla gives in. Orthsirr count is probably off and all, don't really want to math it out..
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Having said that, we could IAT-Sparkbomb spam Abjorn if we want to keep the fight at range. He has enough DR that that isn't the most workable thing though.
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Standstill Finale Workshop names:
Stillspace
Standstill < Yes just the Hugareida's name in itself.
Time Stop < Feels a bit hubristic
Lockdown < Kinda like this one.
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So uhh
Nobody's voting?
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I.F. Ister
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That would blow it up. However, firing off a Gale Spear immediately before the Sparkbomb would give the Sparkbomb a slipstream
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I'll call voting in an hour, so vote while you've got the chance!
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Give it time.
That's only true of Tricks that only deal damage (like Power Chop) and gonna be significantly less true now that we have Sharpen online. We stopped using Leaping Cleave for Flashfire Cleave because FFC lacks the disadvantages, not because it does more damage, and we never really stopped using other mundane Tricks as appropriate, I don't think...certainly not for damage alone?
Yeah, because we didn't have anything really high damage before then.
Uh...our problem in this spar is a very specifically not being able to do enough damage at range to get through Abjorn's damage reduction. And what previous fight has our problem been that we don't have enough options other than damage? I'm sincerely not thinking of any. We've certainly had issues in some previous fights, but that hasn't been one of them.
We also have Shatter-Wrist, Knee-Groin Trick, Stunner-Slam, and various other stuff. We could certainly grab another combat utility option or two, but we have a decent selection of these, a lot of them are just not great for sparring (Knee-Groin and Shatter Wrist to be specific).
I thought we were talking about combat, but yeah, our selection of non-combat stuff is definitely expanding.
This is pointless or close to it. From what we've seen Abjorn has DR 6 or so and this does 6-8 damage. It would also have 6d6 as extra dice from Hugareida add in to it. In general, I'm also very against starting to sandbag like this as it seems hypocritical and disrespectful given how annoyed Halla is about not being taken seriously.
And I'll note that Abjorn only 'won' because of a character beat (ie: the QM actively ignoring the planned tactic of 'never get in melee'). Which is fine, but giving up because of it seems against the spirit of things.
Interesting. How much would that improve its speed?
Yeah, uh, literally nobody has voted except those who've made a plan. People should do that, I think?
I.F. Ister
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I'm not super sure the specifics on how slipstreams affect speed (other than it significantly boosts efficiency) so I'll say that it reduces the travel time by a third. Maybe more
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I was more thinking in terms of functionality...like, what range would this allow us to attack with Sparkbomb and have people actually need to roll against the Trick to dodge rather than just walk out of the way?
Like, I'm not asking to measure how fast it goes, but for how it effects the available range of efficacy.
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[X] Plan Okay, So We Make You Not Dodge
[X] Plan Let's End This on a High
Adding a vote for Skippy's plan since it at least treats this spar seriously and avoids Halla being a massive hypocrite or giving up completely for no reason.
EDIT: Votes have changed and I do still prefer my plan slightly.
Adding a vote for Skippy's plan since it at least treats this spar seriously and avoids Halla being a massive hypocrite or giving up completely for no reason.
EDIT: Votes have changed and I do still prefer my plan slightly.
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AeonIlluminate
The power of friendship and aggressive landscaping
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[X] Plan Okay, So We Make You Not Dodge
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[X] Plan Okay, So We Make You Not Dodge
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[X] Plan Okay, So We Make You Not Dodge
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You're missing a starting bracket there.
So I assume windblades would also snuff out SB, on a direct hit..... But could we use wind blades to kind of.... Ping pong SB after the many WB?
Edit: sorry for the double post
I do, don't worry... Just more non direct damage ones would be nice.
The mundane tricks have become more of an afterthought due to the hugreida ones getting passive bonus from the hugteida.
Fair on FFC though.
And we used it in... Only against Hookfingers.
Before this spar, at least.
Hm... Fair, still, we could use SS in spars.
And, as I said above, more options would be nice, so we do not have so many of this kind of head scratching situations.
That was more of an after thought, but yes, it's wonderful.
best would be that has use both in and out of combat though....
On that note, I still find it hilarious that we could use a Clearwater trick to clean out color from someone's runes.
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CedeTheBees
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[X] Plan Let's End This on a High
KISS KISS KISS
KISS KISS KISS
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Sharpen changes the calculus here significantly in a way that hasn't had the opportunity to show itself as of yet. Specifically, it both jacks up damage somewhat and, more importantly, makes buying dice vastly cheaper. Flashfire-Cleave can benefit from both the Hugareida damage bonus and Sharpen, but it's the only Trick that does both, and its low starting damage and relatively high cost makes it still not a great choice once armor's been dealt with (it's great as a first attack to break armor, of course).
It's got a specific range of efficacy, as we discovered to be even more true than we thought here.
I feel like this situation is sincerely a result of this being a spar, to be honest. Like, several of our standard options for things like this are just not spar friendly (KGT, our Fast-held damage Tricks, spending Odr on more damage, FTB, and so on). We have tools for 'too much DR', good tools even, they just aren't the most spar-friendly for the most part. We're also likely going with damage over dice for Ignition going forward, which should also help with this specific problem.
An insta-clean Trick is definitely one of the first on the agenda with Clearwater (along with just straight water conjuration). We should be able to start on that next turn, since we finish up Clearwater itself then.
I.F. Ister
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Alright. Voting is now closed. I let it go a little long to give people time to vote, but now it is time to rock
Is the problem us not being able to do the damage, or is it us not being willing to do what is necessary to do the damage because it it would have unreasonable risks for Abjorn?
+Formalizing the projectile control trick and adding a good option to speed the projectile up could help a bit with the blindspot we have.
Should get some "fuck those grid coordinates in particular" stuff and maybe some "screw that group in particular", though.
Maybe a bit more support...
A distracting fire trick? (a fire that draws enemy attention like moth to light)
Flashbang variant of KS?
With hot and cold emotions, and us being obviously in the hot camp, maybe something to make our enemy rage against their allies. Or something to cause feverish illusions.( 3 vs Halla is much nicer when it is turned into (2vs1)vs Halla)
Or something to boost our allies.
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Some of both. We'd have a lot more options if it wasn't a spar and we were willing to hurt him, but being able to effectively use Sparkbomb at range, or having another equally damaging Trick for that scenario would also be very helpful.
This is probably the best current avenue to allow better range and control on Sparkbomb, yeah. It's also obviously useful for a lot of other things.
Blackhand is very anti-mind control, so I don't think we're getting anything for turning allies on each other (and might feel bad about it even if we did). Something to blind people is possible, as is an ally-boosting Trick or two, though both are gonna be a while out while we focus on our stats for a bit, I think.
AeonIlluminate
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Silver-Tongue Trick - Epic Speech? give Silver-tongue ranks in d6 for the fight?
Ignition (or whatever the boost fire one is) Trick - Fan the flames of battle? boost damage for a round?
Stoker Style Trick - Engines working together are stronger - all stoker style people gain more dice/damage this round?
We do have this in stoker style, so if we risked melee we have an attack that has fully variable damage so we could specify just enough to not kill him.
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Epic speeches would be Wordplay. But actually, the obvious place for ally-boosting stuff is Strategy, which we do have and could easily grab some Tricks for if we come up with them.
The issue with that is the 'going into melee' part. We have discovered that he has a wrestling Trick that makes attacking him in melee basically a lose condition, at least for us at the moment. So we can't really afford to do that very readily.
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AeonIlluminate
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Ok. I'm not quite sure where the line is between Tactics and Strategy, as for me they are local scale and large scale respectively, but some ideas.
Positioning Call-Out - they move to a different spot and get a boost for "flanking".
Back-to-Back - Move next to a buddy, share stuff like Atgeir Guard and boost base defence rolls
Simultaneous Strike - both do an attack that's melee, or both ranged, the target can (probably) only block one, if both hit, do extra damage
Knock-Aside - Attack specifically the enemy's shield, lets ally get in a undefended attack
I.F. Ister
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You are right. Tactics governs the fight at hand while Strategy governs the war at large, so you are right. Tactics deals with formations while Strategy deals with logistics, to give examples.
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Check. So the above Tricks would likely fall under Tactics, which makes sense.