So, going with the smith thing, I found 'iron-tree' as a Kenning for smith, which would lead to this:

"As the iron-tree strikes many times at their work, so does my wound-limb strike at the foe."

I'm still not sure if that quite works, though. Maybe?
my original idea would have been "As Thor's strike is followed by his laighter so is my wound limb followed by X"
strike is lightning, laughter is thunder, wound limb is weapon and.... i couldn't find anything for x, aside from other weapon kennings...
i tried with cloudns and rain as well.... but same problem. Thought about using spirit or shade/shadow or illusion but just didn't vibe/mix good to me.
 
Oh right! We actually have Socket Stones as well. We should probably add one of those to Sagaseeker. Anyone have any runework in mind for that? There's also the potential of adding runes to the haft itself.

What do people think? Are those good? Should we add a fourth set of runes?
For the shaft specifically:
"As battlebirdfeeders stave, I strengthen mindoath's strikes flowing through me"

battlebirdfeeder = ravenfeeder=warrior
mindoath's strikes = offensive tricks (derived from Hugareida)

Something general I'd like, but probably a trick not a runeset:
Slowing Strike: Taking speed from the victim when we hit.
 
For the shaft specifically:
"As battlebirdfeeders stave, I strengthen mindoath's strikes flowing through me"

battlebirdfeeder = ravenfeeder=warrior
mindoath's strikes = offensive tricks (derived from Hugareida)

I'd probably just go with 'ravenfeeder'...this would also work with, at the moment, probably just Firebomb Strike, because it's specifically focused on Hugareida and that's the only Hugareida attack we actually make with our weapon. I dunno if something that only works with one Trick is a good Rune investment...
 
I'd probably just go with 'ravenfeeder'...this would also work with, at the moment, probably just Firebomb Strike, because it's specifically focused on Hugareida and that's the only Hugareida attack we actually make with our weapon. I dunno if something that only works with one Trick is a good Rune investment...
It doesn't need to be a weaponbased Hugareida trick.
Remember channeling KS through our firemetal Sax?
This could give all our tricks a slight boost if we channel them through our weapon.
 
It doesn't need to be a weaponbased Hugareida trick.
Remember channeling KS through our firemetal Sax?
This could give all our tricks a slight boost if we channel them through our weapon.

That's possible, but I don't think it's super likely that a single rune can duplicate what normally requires multiple, likely magical, materials. It could happen, but I'm not inclined to bet on it all things considered, I don't think. The most literal interpretation (mostly due to the 'flowing through me') is likely the 'only weapon-based hugareida attacks' one and that would be just Firebomb Strike.
 
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(mostly due to the 'flowing through me')
Uh, KS through Ashen Kiss also involves channeling the trick through the weapon.
So I don't see how a trick flowing through the weapon should suddenly imply that it has to be a weaponbased trick.
Except to those who don't know about using lowseid (recall inspired) to channel tricks through a weapon. But that is just the truth being hidden, a good thing for runic inscription.
On a side note, it seems that channeling fire-based attacks through Ashen Kiss reduces the orthstirr cost by half!


That's possible, but I don't think it's super likely that a single rune can duplicate what normally requires multiple, likely magical, materials.
It takes magic fire iron for "KS through Ashen kiss", and it doesn't need to be a big thing like "half Orth cost", strengthen is vague and can be fulfilled by bonus damage/bonus successes, where there is lots of room between "tiny bonus" and "huge bonus" to find the right sweetspot for "runes on a high quality weapon".
 
Uh, KS through Ashen Kiss also involves channeling the trick through the weapon.
So I don't see how a trick flowing through the weapon should suddenly imply that it has to be a weaponbased trick.
Except to those who don't know about using lowseid (recall inspired) to channel tricks through a weapon. But that is just the truth being hidden, a good thing for runic inscription.

Right, but so far we've only even been able to channel Tricks through a weapon with an appropriate elemental affinity (we normally need a free hand, remember). If we put the rune sequence you suggest on Ashen Kiss it'd probably work on fire-based Tricks channeled through it, but I'm not sure channeling Standstill Tricks through it is even a viable option.

And if we can't channel anything but fire-based stuff through Ashen Kiss, then we can't channel anything not lightning-based through Sagaseeker except for things that can be used through a weapon by default like Firebomb Strike.

It takes magic fire iron for "KS through Ashen kiss", and it doesn't need to be a big thing like "half Orth cost", strengthen is vague and can be fulfilled by bonus damage/bonus successes, where there is lots of room between "tiny bonus" and "huge bonus" to find the right sweetspot for "runes on a high quality weapon".

I wouldn't actually say +1 damage is worse than halving Orthstirr costs, but more importantly even if this is right I remain unconvinced that this would actually work as intended.
 
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As for your other question, it works, but may not be exactly as you intend

Ah, I was really hoping that for a reward dice I could lock in or confirm that it will be able to basically replicate or exceed the function of original effect, otherwise Deadman is just going to-

I'm inclined to go with the original wording in that case

-say he wants to stick with the original.

(Which we know explicitly from Halla's own opnion is kinda so-so, BTW. I think any runes on Sagaseeker should be the best we can manage and also say something important about the weapon.)

We should put Crowfeeder's runes on the other side of Sagaseeker, so we can abuse Sharpen nonstop.
The whole point of Socket Stones is to apply their runes to the item they're attached to. So...that's part of the plan, yeah.

If the effect is about the blade and is integral to how we plan to use it, it should go on the blade, I think. Ideally it should also represent something about the spirit of the weapon.

I agree. Do you have a suggestion other than 'the most badass cat we can arrange' (which is the current idea)?

Honestly I feel like killing a cat for this is kind of mean? Like it just feels vaguely unpleasant to me, why does a cat have to die?

We should just use the Shadow Bear. Which I know, we've for some reason decided is only for endurance or stealth related effects, but... I seriously think you're overthinking it. The shadow bear a big powerful predator; the aspect of that which is most relevant to Sagaseeker and suits his whims of the moment will be what IF goes with when deciding on effects. And Realised weapons continually absorb stuff which strengthens them, so it's not like we can't try again.

Plus, no cat-killing required!

 
Ravens or crows would also work. I think a bird of prey in general would be a good idea.
 
@Imperial Fister
We can add runes to the wood without a full reforge, right?


Right, but so far we've only even been able to channel Tricks through a weapon with an appropriate elemental affinity (we normally need a free hand, remember).
So far we have only tried to channel tricks through a weapon with an appropriate elemental affinity.
(The research write in only mentioned it as one example, but other attempts weren't mentioned in the result and with the mix of recall and channel through experiments it could very well be that the research die was spent before we got to other trick-category/weapon combinations)

Lets leave the shaft empty and fill it with runes later?
And spend one research die to channel different tricks through Sagaseeker?
Easiest way to see If it has a lesser bonus, or no bonus, or doesn't work.
 
(Which we know explicitly from Halla's own opnion is kinda so-so, BTW. I think any runes on Sagaseeker should be the best we can manage and also say something important about the weapon.)

What Crowfeeder's runes do is ridiculously good mechanically and means our weapon will basically never break, which is excellent thematically as well. It's absolutely fabulous and I'm not very inclined to give up on it for something that might very well not do that specific thing. It's not the most poetic rune-phrase, but messing with what we know works in an attempt to be fancy is a good way to wind up with something that doesn't work.

Honestly I feel like killing a cat for this is kind of mean? Like it just feels vaguely unpleasant to me, why does a cat have to die?

I mean, I sort of assumed we just keep the bones of anything that dies around the place. Cats included. Acquiring such bones from our neighbors would likely also not be particularly difficult. Or hunting a lynx, which would surely count. Like, I don't see a reason using cat bones means we need to kill an actual domestic cat.

We should just use the Shadow Bear. Which I know, we've for some reason decided is only for endurance or stealth related effects, but... I seriously think you're overthinking it. The shadow bear a big powerful predator; the aspect of that which is most relevant to Sagaseeker and suits his whims of the moment will be what IF goes with when deciding on effects. And Realised weapons continually absorb stuff which strengthens them, so it's not like we can't try again.

I'm actually not super against using the Shadow-Bear for this for any reasons related to the shadow-bear (I was against using a predator not known for endurance on armor...using one known for endurance on a weapon is potentially fine), I'm mostly pretty sure that several other people would object strongly to this as there are Other Plans for the very limited amount of Shadow-Bear materials.

Ravens or crows would also work. I think a bird of prey in general would be a good idea.

Ravens and crows are scavengers, not birds of prey for the most part, and I think we do want a predator rather than a scavenger. A bird of prey, on the other hand, is fairly viable, but I'm not sure it's any better than a cat.

We can add runes to the wood without a full reforge, right?

The issue with this is that it would then take another action to add said runes, and we are not exactly overflowing with spare actions.

That's not exactly a dealbreaker, and leaving the haft un-runed is very possible, but it means we're probably not runing it up until we replace it with a magical material or something like that or come up with a really excellent rune phrase, or both. Like, this is a viable option, but it's one where we shouldn't expect those runes to get added any time soon. Eventually, yes, but not soon.
 
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What Crowfeeder's runes do is ridiculously good mechanically and means our weapon will basically never break, which is excellent thematically as well. It's absolutely fabulous and I'm not very inclined to give up on it for something that might very well not do that specific thing. It's not the most poetic rune-phrase, but messing with what we know works in an attempt to be fancy is a good way to wind up with something that doesn't work.

Yes, I thought you would have these concerns, and I see where you're coming from. Rather than going too far into the weeds on it, this is why I was trying to get confirmation from Fister first before raising this.

From my perspective, it's less about being poetic and more about finding something that really says something meaningful about what Sagaseeker is, what's it's for, and so on. A sort of "mission statement" for the weapon, that's what I think the inscription should be. If we can get something confirmed here, would you object to using that?

I mean, I sort of assumed we just keep the bones of anything that dies around the place. Cats included. Acquiring such bones from our neighbors would likely also not be particularly difficult. Or hunting a lynx, which would surely count. Like, I don't see a reason using cat bones means we need to kill an actual domestic cat.

Then we should probably confirm that with @Imperial Fister, because I think the pattern with our sheep, cow, salamander bones etc. has been that it's been bones of animals either slaughtered on our farm, or (in the case of the salamander) killed for the purpose of selling their bones for alchemy/smithing. Assuming we will have saved the bones of a cat (???) or our neighbours did feels a bit chancey to me?

Hunting and killing a lynx would be doable, but given we already went on a hunt for an even more fearsome predator...

I'm actually not super against using the Shadow-Bear for this for any reasons related to the shadow-bear (I was against using a predator not known for endurance on armor...using one known for endurance on a weapon is potentially fine), I'm mostly pretty sure that several other people would object strongly to this as there are Other Plans for the very limited amount of Shadow-Bear materials.

Is there anything more important than Sagaseeker that we're plausibly going to use it for? Also we'd still have two uses left. Like it's easy to think of how there must be amazing theoretical uses for it, but if this just means we never use it for anything, we aren't better off at the end of the day.

(Also those several other people should make plans of their own if they feel so strongly about it, I think it's good to include other perspectives and be accommodating, and I'm very glad you do, but at the end of the day it's your plan.)
 
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Had an idea for a rune on the blade
"i strike as the thunderers jotunn breaker and terrify my enemies as his laughter"
going with the storm theme and possibly giving a way to apply a fear effect to weaker willed enemies
 
The issue with this is that it would then take another action to add said runes, and we are not exactly overflowing with spare actions.

That's not exactly a dealbreaker, and leaving the haft un-runed is very possible, but it means we're probably not runing it up until we replace it with a magical material or something like that or come up with a really excellent rune phrase, or both. Like, this is a viable option, but it's one where we shouldn't expect those runes to get added any time soon. Eventually, yes, but not soon.
Sure.
How about a research die to try to channel different tricks through Sagaseeker (like KS, IAT, and so on)?
Would let us see if it is possible to do at all (meaning no issue of "have to take hand of weapon") and if there is maybe a minor bonus.

Hunting and killing a lynx would be doable, but given we already went on a hunt for an even more fearsome predator...
Yeah, but we have lots of crafts for our Terrorbear husband we want use the bearparts . And a lynx would be a cat for a catlike weapon.
 
Yeah, but we have lots of crafts for our Terrorbear husband we want use the bearparts . And a lynx would be a cat for a catlike weapon.

Do we? Or are these marvellous undetermined projects things people are conjuring up to avoid having to bite the bullet and expend a finite resource? We haven't even made Abjorn's armour yet. Knowing how Quester hoarding instincts go, I would bet actual money that the quest ends and we still have some Shadow-Bear ash sitting around forgotten rathern than us actually ending up doing three distinct projects using it. Especially given how much of a knife fight it is for action slots every turn.

I don't have a massive issue with using a lynx, but the idea that Sagaseeker is inherently "catlike" and therefore we can only use cat bone ash is silly; it's ludicrously over-determining based on one bit of description. We can use whatever we predatory animal want and it will be fine; I say this as the guy who first brought up the concept of bone ash enhancing weapons to the Quest. (Though IF of course may already have been planning it.)
 
I think cat bone ash and shadowbear bone ash both don't work. Cats are associated with mischief, luck. The Shadowbear is sneaky and brutal. Sagaseeker is neither. We should take boneash from something associated with sharpness if at all.
 
All predators are sneaky; there is not an apex predator in the world that looks for fair fights. All predators are brutal, and the idea deceiving your opponent and attacking from unexpected opening works pretty well as an idea to apply to combat with sharp objects, IMO.

Although honestly, if we really wanted to push the boat out, we could take bone ash from Halla, the issue would just be how long it takes her to regrow a hand or whatever...
 
Do we? Or are these marvellous undetermined projects things people are conjuring up to avoid having to bite the bullet and expend a finite resource? We haven't even made Abjorn's armour yet. Knowing how Quester hoarding instincts go, I would bet actual money that the quest ends and we still have some Shadow-Bear ash sitting around forgotten then we actually do three distinct projects using it. Especially given how much of a knife fight it is for action slots every turn.
3 things for Abjorn:
Boneash for armor, Pelt for a cloak as armor bling, Heart to eat.
Alternatively, drop one like the heart to use the skull for the book we are gonna make.

don't have a massive issue with using a lynx, but the idea that Sagaseeker is inherently "catlike" and therefore we can only use cat bone ash is silly; it's ludicrously over-determining based on one bit of description. We can use whatever we predatory animal want and it will be fine; I say this as the guy responsible for introducing the concept of bone ash enhancing weapons to the Quest.
We aren't forced to, but it has nicer vibes.

Although honestly, if we really wanted to push the boat out, we could take bone ash from Halla, the issue would just be how long it takes her to regrow a hand or whatever...
Lets wait with that until we learned shapecrafting.
 
3 things for Abjorn:
Boneash for armor, Pelt for a cloak as armor bling, Heart to eat.
Alternatively, drop one like the heart to use the skull for the book we are gonna make.

Sorry, maybe this did not come across very well; we have three uses of just the Shadow-Bear bone ash by itself. Not counting the pelt, heart, etc..

Which is why I don't think there's an issue using 1/3 for Sagaseeker now, having 1/3 for the armour, and still having a some left for some third thing at some point in the future.
 
Sorry, maybe this did not come across very well; we have three uses of just the Shadow-Bear bone ash by itself. Not counting the pelt, heart, etc..

Which is why I don't think there's an issue using 1/3 for Sagaseeker now, having 1/3 for the armour, and still having a some left for some third thing at some point in the future.
@Imperial Fister
Is the 3 crafts limit that
  • we can do 3 crafts using materials from the bear
or
  • it has enough bones for 3 crafts using the boneash + the rest of the bear can be used as makes sense (pelt for cloak, skull for book, heart as snack, etc)
 
All predators are sneaky; there is not an apex predator in the world that looks for fair fights. All predators are brutal, and the idea deceiving your opponent and attacking from unexpected opening works pretty well as an idea to apply to combat with sharp objects, IMO.

Although honestly, if we really wanted to push the boat out, we could take bone ash from Halla, the issue would just be how long it takes her to regrow a hand or whatever...
The mythological associations of that animal in the Norse mind is probably more important than the actual reality of that animal.

...Wolf-Ash would therefor be the best, really.

I dunno about using our own Bone-Ash. That sounds like one of those things where you find out the side-effects in a not-great way.

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I think Eagle is thus the best. Our issue in battles atm isn't dealing damage, it's hitting the target.
 
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I dunno about using our own Bone-Ash. That sounds like one of those things where you find out the side-effects in a not-great way.
That's a great idea honestly. Only problem i see with that is that we do not know anything for regrowing bones.... and i think that's shapecrafting territory.

Probably also has the side effect as using one's blood to quench something in it though.
Sorry, maybe this did not come across very well; we have three uses of just the Shadow-Bear bone ash by itself. Not counting the pelt, heart, etc..

Which is why I don't think there's an issue using 1/3 for Sagaseeker now, having 1/3 for the armour, and still having a some left for some third thing at some point in the future.
...IF said 3 uses. there was never any mention its just for the bone ashes. but guess we will see as shard already pinged them.

I would also prefer if the whole bear/its magic is used for Abjorn, for reasons i already stated.
 
I would earmark these uses for the Shadowbear:

1) Heart - Probably for Abjorn to eat. If he decline we can eat it though.
2) Bone Ash for Abjorn's Armor.
3) Cool cloak for Abjorn's Armor.

And the meat and blood we can feast on ig.
 
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