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kek.
I approve. Get rid of all hutt cartel presence, then turn it into a bountiful oasis.
Anakin would love us for removing all the sand.
May The Invisible Hand Be With You - (Star Wars CK2-Style Quest)
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I approve. Get rid of all hutt cartel presence, then turn it into a bountiful oasis.
Anakin would love us for removing all the sand.
cokerpilot
Here comes the rain.
Can someone explain the thinking behind the current plan to me becuase having that many diffrent parts in it feels like it is simply opening up more avenues for our people getting cuaght.
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Well, there's a war to end and an OP Sith Lord to assassinate...so, that's two things.
Everything I've read up on indicates that would be a really bad idea, because there is something there. Namely (depending on what/how much of the EU we're considering canon) the highly dangerous and very powerful Prophets of the Dark Side. In addition to the standard formidable dark side powers, the Prophets are acclaimed masters of precognition. Granted, that acclaim is mostly given by themselves, but it isn't entirely without reason. Supposedly, they knew when and where both Death Stars would be destroyed. Regardless of whether that's true or not, good odds are they'd know we were coming and/or know when we were there. And that leads into the most bad thing--they're supposed to be in contact with Sidious at this time.
Granted, the Prophets of the Dark Side are of dubious canon status at best, given the source material's, well...general suckness. But even if we discount them, the location of interest there--the Sith Temple--is so swamped with the Dark Side that it causes things even as basic as a blaster to malfunction, to say nothing of the horrendously powerful dark Force ghosts and corrupting effect the place has. I think it's referred to in one or more EU canon sources as a Dark Side nexus? And that's just the temple area proper, that's not even touching on the aggressively murderous jungle/swampland that comprises the rest of the planet. It's like if someone was trying to make Yavin IV, but used the One Ring as the planet core, then used Mnggal-Mnggal as a binding agent, and then had the nerve to wonder why everything was awful.
Punchline being, some things, and planets are better left as legend. Or, if we can borrow the planet-killer back from the Chiss for a few hours, target practice. There are plenty of other interesting planets to search for or investigate, including (I think Sienar did offhandedly mention to Ciaran the living planet) Zonama Sekot.
Well. Spicy Sheev didn't have the Foundry. And he did have saboteurs up the wazoo, from as high as Galen Erso to as low as Wookiee slave labor, so it taking a long time isn't entirely the fault of the design. Hell, if you go with the theory put forward in Darksaber (another one whose canon status is, at least disliked if not generally rejected) it could be done much quicker, more economically, and be made nastier if you went for a cylinder instead of a moon-size station.
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He said get started on though, not finish.
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You're going to make our financial advisor have a metaphysical aneurysm when he hears that plan.
I like it.
I think part of the thinking is "well, we already have a successful result, in the 120s range (IIRC) so why not do the classically Ciaran thing and go for everything?"
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Touche. The point I was trying to make was, we've already got two galaxy-spanning, multiple-plates-spinning, astonishingly dangerous plans we're working on, and we're trying to do those things without tipping our hand to reveal ourselves as the #3 Power in the Galaxy. Continuing on various projects elsewhere is one thing, but a brand new Big Thing? Miiiight be a bit much right now.
Barondoctor
The things I chase come to me.
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Dromund, like the Anzat, should remain a legend. The only trip to either that I support is with a planet killer.
Jack_Trade
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Why would we want to do that, they're over best allies. Quite, doesn't judge, completely focused on profit. Honestly if some of them weren't hundreds of years old, I'd be asking Silas some pointed questions.
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Ciaran is an excellent Multitasker.
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We can hire a bunch of Ithorians, and spin that off into a subsidiary company. And it doesn't even have to be Tatooine. I remember from either Kotor 1 or 2, that Ithorians were working on Taris' environment. I'm sure that there's probably work left for them to do there.
EDIT: Even better, Honoghr. That should be easy-peasy for us. The Silver Cross for the relief efforts, and whatever we name this company to fix the environment.
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Then you find out there was this hyperspace incident about 70 years ago.Why would we want to do that, they're over best allies. Quite, doesn't judge, completely focused on profit. Honestly if some of them weren't hundreds of years old, I'd be asking Silas some pointed questions.
Jack_Trade
Chasing the Green Fairy
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Knowing our luck, I honestly wouldn't be surprised.
Barondoctor
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Ithorians to honoghr is the move to make, yes.
No, that was Telos.
I'd like to note that Ciaran did more that merely discover the nascent CIS - she was also important in helping them arm and organize.
fasquardon
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sssshhh, we're allowed some...convenient revisionism when we're talking about the hero!
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Try to create something akin to an anti-particle to the Force, an Anti-Force?
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History is written by the winners! And Ciaran isn't only going to win! She is also filthy rich! So she gets to write history and make it particularly shiny! With gold! And statues! And all that!
Max Uristwell
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She's already got a snazzy mask, no respect for Fate and more Cousins than you can shake a sombra que corta at; why rewrite history when you can resculpt it instead? Viva Faction Paradox!
We already have a giant golden statue of her on Taris (donated by the Hutts who thought she'd like it, much to the annoyance of the Tarisian Prime Minister).
I shall also pose a question. Why do we need to save the Jedi Council (Coruscant)? After all if we want to change the Jedi Order, should we not pull a Revan by not saving the people who are likely to be our biggest critics?
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I mean...
It's not that I don't see the logic. But I kinda feel like it's just not okay to leave Masters like Yoda, Mace Windu, Kit Fisto, Aayla Secura, etc. to suffer. That just seems next-level shitty, especially when they haven't really done anything wrong besides being fallible to paranoia and susceptible to Palpatine's dark influence.
Also, I see a problem: "not saving" them does not equal "eliminating" them. Leaving them there/to their own devices means they're just going to get worse. And, really, it occurs to me, what could serve Palpatine better than the Jedi (especially publicly known ones like Yoda or Windu) going off the deep end? In a way, this wound and its effect on the Jedi could do more damage than he could ever dream of accomplishing. I think, if we want the Jedi to survive, at the very least the innocent/the ones we like, we need to get them out of there and offworld.
Barondoctor
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We should instead pull a Meetra. By increasing our Influence (yes, I deliberately capitalized that one) with the Coruscant Jedi, we can change their outlook / worldview towards one we espouse.
There's also the chance that they might survive anyway, and all the horrible things they could do on the way down that would hand cards to Palpatine. One fallen Council-level Jedi Master became Dooku. What would Sid getting his hands on THREE look like?
Not to mention the resentment at "you could have saved us and you didn't because it wasn't convenient for you. Yeah, screw you."
I realize this sounds ultimately like a Power of Friendship speech, but to a certain degree it is actually in our self-interest to Friendship the Jedi Council.
NexysDhyArchen
Throne Breaker
Here's a question: What's stopping the Coruscant Jed i from recognizing that they're sitting on a Wound? I understand that we, Ciaran, can't nor can anyone we could conceivably influence tell the Council without setting of their paranoia. But could we go three steps out and point someone at the problem and have them figure it out in front of a Council member or two?
Wonder if Darra is up for a visit to her old home...
Wonder if Darra is up for a visit to her old home...
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Well, we've tipped Obi-Wan to it, so I'm sure he's got something in the works. And after Siri Tachi gets looped in, it'll be an actual good plan, I'd bet. That said, I don't think we can have our fingerprints three or even seventeen steps out, 'cause with the Council's somewhat justified paranoia (I mean, hey, is it paranoia if somebody is out to get you?) they'll scour over everything for anything that comes up, and they will find our fingerprints. The general thinking in the thread so far has been less "omg! we should warn the Council!" and more "well. let's figure out some batshit underhanded scheme to get them gone." Historically, it works out for us.
Kinda?
Shortly after saving our life, Dooku asked us for a favor -- to help him contact and establish positive relations with the systems and sectors immediately around Serenno. We did so. We also put him in contact with an organization a little further afield, the Outer Rim Colonial Defense Force, who we separately helped fund (as a broadly philanthropic thing to do). We didn't realize Dooku planned to use those 'positive relations' to set up the Separatist movement, or that the ORCDF would become the ostensible 'core' of the CIS military (the bulk of the Separatist droid armies in the field still belong to the individual corporations who sit on the Separatist Council).
So we kinda helped set up the CIS, but only for the legitimate stuff -- even the most ardent Republic loyalist would admit the Outer Rim is under-protected; even Tarkin got his start serving in his uncle's Republic Outland Regions Security Force. That's also why those same Outer Rim sectors were so quick to join the CNS once we asked them.