Is direct challenge an acceptable way to transfer power for them? We don't actually know, do we?
I do think that you are vastly, vastly oversimplifying the force, though. There are more viewpoints and facets to the dark side than just the Sith, just as there are more views about the light than just the Jedi. The novel Shatterpoint is a good example.
I did not know about the initiation ceremony, but I still don't see the Nightsisters as being particularly useful as covert agents. The Shroud might obscure them from farsight or force visions, but it does nothing to obscure more mundane means of detection.

  1. We can very easily ask IC about power transfer. @Dr. Snark what does Ventress say the means of transferring leadership among the Nightsisters is?
  2. I'm not talking about the Jedi and Sith alone. Even the Mortis Force Gods (which are as primal as it gets) had the Pool of Knowledge (Light) and the Pool of Power (Dark). The Light is about suppressing the Ego that one might be guided b the Force, the Dark is about commanding the Force.
  3. As for the nightsisters avoiding mundane detection, we have a lot of people that can teach that, and not just heroes. It's far easier to teach sneaking than proper use of the Force
 
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We can very easily ask IC about power transfer. @Dr. Snark what does Ventress say the means of transferring leadership among the Nightsisters is?

It's about as messy as you would expect from a relatively tribal society like the Nightsisters. Ideally the preceding Great Mother will have designated an heir that will take up their mantle once they have died, but more often than not it comes down to who has gathered the most influence and recognition before the aforementioned death of a Great Mother.

There's an additional wrinkle though: Talzin is both the Great Mother and a shaman at the same time, which is something that hasn't happened in at least recent memory (Asajj will freely admit that her knowledge of the greater history of the Nightsisters is limited at best) and has been a major force in helping her gather power and unite various warring factions. Were she to die at this moment, it is currently uncertain who the new Great Mother would be as few if any would dare to even think about standing against Talzin.

As for the rest of the discussion to keep it from devolving into a circular argument I'm going to point out that Ciaran was directly responsible for the deaths of two of the favored warriors of the Nightsisters. It, uh...maaaaay not be the best time to talk about a more in-depth alliance.
 
So I just watched The Force Awakens - any chance we can learn that mind-reading thing Kylo used?
 
Savage was, if you say so. But Maul? He was still an infant when he was given to Palpatine.

Maul is Talzin's Son... you tend not to forgive people for that sort of thing... hell we can't pin it on the Jedi because Talzin will try and murder Obi-Wan and she doesn't need to even leave Dathomir to kill him. Even if she can be reasoned with that Maul had regressed back to his pre-recuse mental states, she's going to morn him.
 
As for the rest of the discussion to keep it from devolving into a circular argument I'm going to point out that Ciaran was directly responsible for the deaths of two of the favored warriors of the Nightsisters. It, uh...maaaaay not be the best time to talk about a more in-depth alliance.
We can always pile up bonuses in the next lore action, we may not gain them as allies, but we may prevent them from acting against us.
 
We all know it... we need another Nightsister Abysswalker:

She can be either another Assassin type or she can come with her own Rancor... Or you can make her a bit more insane and had her tame a full grown Krayt Dragon (If that is even possible...)

 
@Dr. Snark, I have been rereading the quest, and I have a question: should we be getting a lore bonus for the mantle of the force crystal? I mean, it is a powerful force amplifier, and even if it is in our lightsaber, we should still be able to use it toboost powers like fracture manipulation, right?
 
@Dr. Snark, I have been rereading the quest, and I have a question: should we be getting a lore bonus for the mantle of the force crystal? I mean, it is a powerful force amplifier, and even if it is in our lightsaber, we should still be able to use it toboost powers like fracture manipulation, right?

You would if Ciaran got into something like the Foundry Raid. While it can amplify more direct powers like Physical Shatterpoint, it doesn't affect self-buffs like Matukai self-reinforcement or more esoteric powers like Fracture Manipulation.
 
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it doesn't affect self-buffs like Matukai self-reinforcement or more esoteric powers like Fracture Manipulation.
Yeah, I would assume that it doesn't do much for techniques that are purely a matter of sensitivity and fine control, which Ciaran has plenty of anyway.

Combat stuff like telekinesis, or lightning, or shattering an object, on the other hand, can be enhanced by just throwing more power at them.
 
Required Position (Canon)
Omake: Required Position

Lutrum P'kic Hurd Dro'ngun wondered how he came to be in this position. Throughout his schooling he always did well but never at the top of his class. When it came time to do his internship he did well but there was that damning note at the end that he "had problems working with a team".

That one note meant that Lutrum that was shut out of all the best positions and jobs. On top of that he was always the one 'let off' whenever there was a reorg and when every there was an internal problem they fired him 'before' starting the investigation.

After the last time being fire as a "morale problem" Lutrum was drinking away his latest severance check at a seedy bar while telling his tale to the blind bartender when he was aproached with an offer and a stack of N.D.A.s taller then his drink.

Figuring he had nothing left to lose (and drunk as he could be and still talk) he signed on then and there. Then next few days were a blur of activity (and epic hangovers) and the next thing he knew he was in a lab that was beyond top of the line working with geniuses that routinely advanced science by decades at a time. His job, the one that he was being payed an obscene amount to do, is to block any project he feels needs to be blocked.

Once he block a project that was it and there was only two ways that the project would get to proceed. The first is if one of the organizations inner council gave a 'direct order' that it was to proceed. The other was for them to convince Lutrum to withdraw the block which he would only do once the reason he blocked it in the first place was dealt with. A good example of this is the situation he had in front for him right now.

The project before him was one that he would normally not interfere with as it was it was an order for specialized equipment for an Abyss Walker. In this case it was a shoulder mounted (and backpack fed) micro mortar Sized and fitted to Goraah's personal suit of armor. Except for three things wrong with it.

First the order was place without Goraah's knowledge and to pull it off they would have to make some (admittedly minor) alterations to the armor.

Secondly the schematics were not created by anyone in Soviom' Rush-box or even someone permitted to work in the labs.

Finally the ones who placed the order and created the schematics where both Walker PIEBALD. Due to the past cost of repairs (and cover ups) any request by Piebald must be approved by both Cheriss Sair and Sergeant Clive (who is currently on vacation to an active war-zone to relax) or by the Boss (Lady Ciaran) and this had neither.

As Lutrum finished adding it to the blocked files he shuddered looking at the plans for its antimatter munitions. Pausing for a second he flagged the file for attention by the higher ups before heading back to his office where he could lock out the geeks trying to beg him to unlock their personal pet projects.

Reaching his office he stop to read the mane plate on the door. Smiling he entered and locked the door behind him.

Lutrum P.H.D. Sovium's Rush-box Head Department Project Blocker (Required Position)
 
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Yeah, I would assume that it doesn't do much for techniques that are purely a matter of sensitivity and fine control, which Ciaran has plenty of anyway.

Combat stuff like telekinesis, or lightning, or shattering an object, on the other hand, can be enhanced by just throwing more power at them.

Does she even know how to use Force Lightning? I mean sure Vectivus would know the theory, but that technique is really dark as well as flashy enough to basically point an 'I am a Sith' sign on her. I don't really see Ciran bothering with it when a blaster is just so much safer to use as a ranged option.
 
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Ciaran with her information network and her personal skill could probably do a good showing of mind reading pretty well without using the force. Probably be more impressive too.
 
I wonder if Ciaran could run her own version of the continental hotel in John Wick. She certainly has the power and money to do so.
 
(Omake) Tython Operations: A Summary (Canon)
Tython Operations : A Summary
"Given the nature of operations on Mandalore, I understand that you are the member of the command staff who is available and knowledgeable to understand and act on my report or inform others as needed, Darth Vectivus, considering it has to do with the Jedi knight Darra Thel-Tanis."

An eyebrow raised on the shadowy form of the phantom, but otherwise seemed unmoved.

"Very well. I'll begin with total expenditures." I had structured my report like a business venture when i was informed that there was a significant situation on Mandalore, hoping that might put my actions in a better light.

"Approximately five thousand standard credits in medical supplies, deducted from Karada materials commonly on hand, provided to the Jedi, may be claimed as a charitable deduction. Approximately twenty thousand standard credits in the unique prosthetics created by Miss Sair, provided to the Tython Jedi, may be claimed as a charitable deduction. One culich class shuttle, from Sienar. Crashed and inoperable, I'm afraid, barring a concerted repair or salvage effort. Oh, right, something like a month of my time, none of it preventing participation in desired operations. This was developed independently and approved by Intel division. I don't know how Gulan made it happen. Not my business."

"How did the ship crash?" Naturally, Vectivus had found the big issue.

"Engine failure due to telekinesis," I answered. "By Darra Thel-Tanis. Followed shortly by her rescuing me from the wreckage. I'm told I spent a day in the bacta tank, and then the Jedi healers worked on me to bring me back from the brink, at Darra's insistence. At any rate, the ship is a wreck, and I've purged the databanks on it. With my lightsaber."

"A few days they may have had access to them. Given the security systems it should be fine, but still a liability worth noting," Vectivus observed.

"I suppose then I should also point out other potential liabilities. A few of the Tython Jedi know that I know secrets critical to ongoing operations. They have been persuaded that helping me keep those secrets is in their best interest, and assisted in helping me learn to better shield my mind. My conversations with Master Jansen were monitored by the Jedi, but did not reveal anything of importance. I am a known agent of the Abyss Watchers and no longer can claim otherwise."

Vectivus seemed pensive. "Well, given that the Matukai tend to be more independent and scattered, Veskasa Jansen being your tutor hardly exposes anything. Jedi Thel-Tanis making you as an agent of the Watchers is entirely within expectations. Given your specialty makes you more suited to operating publicly, I can't imagine the forfeit of your black ops ability as any great loss. Maintaining your viability as an ambassador in spite of all that is well done for an agent-in-place."

I understood now how the man had made it in business. "Thank you, sir. When you put people back together for a living, and you're good at it, it buys a lot of social capital. Being revealed as a Watcher spent some of it, but that was expected. Were I to be cynical about it, I'd say that was the purpose of collecting that capital, but I'm a bit too much an idealist for that. I collected a few other gains as well, to the point that the costs and liabilities paid are a pittance."

"I have acquired some skill in the Ataru form. My other blade skills have generally improved. I finally feel like a capable fighter. That may be in part due to the fact that the Jedi also bolstered my strength in the Force when they brought me back. Considering my tendency towards light side skills and the inability to conceal my presence when they brought me back, they likely believe the Watchers benign."

I smiled serenely. "The Tython Jedi are positively disposed towards myself and are likely now open to talks with the organization. In particular, while Darra Thel-Tanis is still resentful about the elements responsible for her injuries, she has sworn herself to be my partner among the Jedi. She knows I work for the same organization. Knew that before making the oath. I can't make any guarantees, but I know she's willing to work with me personally. This is to the widespread approval of their council."

I smiled. "I am more than a little amused at the irony of reporting to the phantom of a Sith Lord that a Jedi is now my lover, and that at least one group of Jedi have started having monogamous relationships publicly."

Vectivus' brow knit in thought. "The fact that the Tython Jedi would reconsider their attachments policy is interesting. Perhaps the first real evolution of the Order in a thousand years. For the test case to be that particular Jedi and a member of the group that caused her injuries is..."

"Nothing less than the will of the Force, given the bond between us," I replied. "We have one. It's known to the Tython Jedi. Which brings me to my last point: recommended follow-up action."

I paused and took a breath. "One NDA back dated to when I became a Walker, which prevents me from talking about operational details. One shuttle for me to continue going to Tython. The last one crashed due to force powers beyond my control. As I am a known agent, secrecy is not critical."

"Done and done," Vectivus said. "Maintaining a de facto ambassador among the Jedi is worth any number of ships, but try not to crash this one," he said, phantasmal face smirking slightly.

"Thank you, sir. One archaeological team and a translation team for Tython. That failing, a translation device and a crash course in basic archaeology would be good. From what I could see there were about a dozen temples there and I imagine the Jedi might be interested in having Darra go. She liked me as a travel partner, so while we might not be able to make acquisitions, gathering knowledge is probably of at least some value."

"The language is Dai Bendu, similar to that of the Bendu monks. A few of our people managed some translations of the data you sent. Among other things, references to some other temples and a hypergate beneath the first one you visited are interesting."

The phantom seemed to come to a conclusion. "For the price of a shuttle and some of your free time, you have made inroads with the Jedi and made yourself something of an ambassador to them. I will see to it your resources are approved. The reward for work well done is, naturally, more work. It shouldn't be too difficult for Intelligence to get you some cultural data on the different species of the Jedi and Jedi culture."

I smiled. "I was and am a trauma surgeon. The best guys get the worst cases and the most cases."
 
Haven't commented here for a while but @Barondoctor I must say that your doctorspy's story really does grab me, especially with all the worldbuilding in this galaxy, I entirely forgot that part of Ciaran's plans involves promoting the strength and independence of non-Coruscant Jedi as well as strip mining respectfully studying their archives for knowledge and any easily removable artifacts.
 
Haven't commented here for a while but @Barondoctor I must say that your doctorspy's story really does grab me, especially with all the worldbuilding in this galaxy, I entirely forgot that part of Ciaran's plans involves promoting the strength and independence of non-Coruscant Jedi as well as strip mining respectfully studying their archives for knowledge and any easily removable artifacts.

Accidental ambassador, I think, is the term he feels most comfortable with. Doctor, warrior, force user, Jedi, ambassador, diplomat... any of those he could accept for a label. Spy would set his teeth on edge.

Then again, these days he seems to be wearing a lot of hats, and with any nation state an ambassador is to a degree a spy.

Also, thanks!
 
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