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May The Invisible Hand Be With You - (Star Wars CK2-Style Quest)

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Killerflood said:
Sheer guess work on my part but here we go:
  • Apprentice Agent = Jedi Initiate (Youngling) | Learning basics.
  • Abyss Agent = Jedi Padawan | Improving basics, learning intermediate skills.
  • Abysswalker = Jedi Knight | Know basics well, improving intermediate skills, learning advanced skills
  • ??? (Non-Existent) = Master Level | Know intermediate skills well, improving advanced skills and continuing to learn more
As for where Ciaran is ... I would argue high-level Knight. She's learning about the Force and skilled, but I wouldn't say she's up there with the well known Jedi Masters. She has many different esoteric skills that make her effective but when it comes to Master level skill in any of them, I would say she's only Master level with Matukai. Anything else, she's likely able to do so but not with either the incredible ease or grace of a Jedi Master.
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Here's how I look at things personally. Note that a combat specialist Jedi may rank higher than his official rank. Snips, for example, is at least knight level, and arguably master tier when it comes to combat.
  • Apprentice Agent = Jedi Initiiate/Agricorps member | Either learning the basics, or simply of limited talent
  • Abyss Agent = Jedi Padawan (Standard) | Improving basics, learning intermediate skills.
  • Abysswalker = Jedi Knight | Capable combatant with a solid understanding of the force and the ability to fight your way though significant enemy opposition.
  • ??? = Master Level | Experienced combatant with a diverse skillset and a deep understanding of the force. Capable of putting up notable resistance against an elite opponent before being defeated.
  • Elite | At this level you are almost certainly a combat specialist of considerable talent and experience. The likes of Sora Bolq, Darth Maul, Ventriss and Kit Fisto are at this level. You are clearly a cut above even the average Jedi Master, but when the real monsters come, you'll be shown your limits
  • Epic | At this level you are a force of nature. Whether as a hero or a villain, your mere existence causes the Galaxy to move, and you are sufficiently anomalous that those within this category can only be compared as individuals. Palpatine, Doku, Yoda, Anakin, Revan, Mace, Ect. You're a major character, you don't go down like a punk to anyone.
Ciaran is unquestionably Elite tier in direct combat, and anyone who thinks otherwise should remember that Ventress has killed plenty of Jedi masters, both in legends and in Disney. She's a gifted combat specialist and they weren't. So she won.
 
dredloki said:
we realy need a fancy title for the master class.
abyss watchers themselves?
the abyssal?
something
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Deacons of the Deep, wait, no, that doesn't work with the lore … Artorious or maybe wolfsblood? Considering the origins of the naming conventions, we would need to continue said draw from the lore of Souls.
 
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MonkeyTypewriter said:
  • Epic | At this level you are a force of nature. Whether as a hero or a villain, your mere existence causes the Galaxy to move, and you are sufficiently anomalous that those within this category can only be compared as individuals. Palpatine, Doku, Yoda, Anakin, Revan, Mace, Ect. You're a major character, you don't go down like a punk to anyone.
Ciaran is unquestionably Elite tier in direct combat, and anyone who thinks otherwise should remember that Ventress has killed plenty of Jedi masters, both in legends and in Disney. She's a gifted combat specialist and they weren't. So she won.
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I sense a discrepancy. Dooku's thing is dueling, and Ciaran beat him in his own home. You can either elevate Ciaran to Epic or, more appropriately, knock Dooku down to Elite.
 
"Was temporarily surprising Dooku" is likely more accurate than "was beating Dooku". Like Obi-Wan, he wasn't expecting the sheer strength and speed of Matukai. But he's been dueling Force-users for longer than Ciaran's been alive, and has the backing of thousands of years of Force teaching and the power of the Dark Side. If our mouth hadn't kept running, then he would have regrouped and we'd have been eating plasma relatively soon, though we likely would have had him out of breath by the time it was over.
 
bookworm702 said:
"Was temporarily surprising Dooku" is likely more accurate than "was beating Dooku". Like Obi-Wan, he wasn't expecting the sheer strength and speed of Matukai. But he's been dueling Force-users for longer than Ciaran's been alive, and has the backing of thousands of years of Force teaching and the power of the Dark Side. If our mouth hadn't kept running, then he would have regrouped and we'd have been eating plasma relatively soon, though we likely would have had him out of breath by the time it was over.
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Thousands of years of Force teaching is disingenuous, specially since Jedi training quality has only decreased in the mean since the Ruusan reformation. Dooku probably has never had a serious (in the sense of potentially lethal) duel with a Master level force user aside from Sidious, and even then Sidious wouldn't have been too serious, if far more so than any spar between Jedi. The Dark Side certainly isn't stronger, though it does lend itself well to exotic applications such as Sorcery and Alchemy, most of which Dooku has no clue how to do because why would Sidious teach him that.

In short, Dooku isn't on the same level as Yoda or Sidious. He's not meant to be, Sidious would never tolerate an equal.
 
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About our possible next "target" that could bolster Abyss Watcher and Council of Neutral Systems.


No, not the vehicle itself (yet, not dismissing it), but Umbarans and their tech in general. Can't say much about their allegiance (Separatists of Republicans, or whatever), or how they think ("creating perfect society", "obsessing with perfect society"? :eyebrow:wtf), but if we could get them, BEFORE the Battle of Umbara AND get their tech..........
 
By the way, did any of you know that Anakin Skywalker was not born on Tatooine? That's according to canon, even:
Skywalker and his mother were originally owned by Gardulla the Hutt until she lost them to the Toydarian Watto in a podracing bet when Skywalker was age 3. The two then moved to the desert world of Tatooine.
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The wiki doesn't specify, but considering Shmi Skywalker was owned by Gardulla the Hutt, it seems likely that his earliest years were spent in Gardulla's Palace, on Nal Hutta!
 
dredloki said:
i like that we have a motto
"WE ARE THE ABYSS WATCHERS! AND WE JUMP! STRAIGHT! IN!"
this one i mean, its pretty cool all things considered.
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So we are the Abyss Jumpers now?

Renars said:
Apathy = bad
something new = Ciaran!!!
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I have a few issues with that video. For one thing, it makes a bunch of assumptions and then claims them to be facts that apply over all of the SWGalaxy's history, where the Jedi have been shown to change over the thousands of years (as have the Sith). For another, Nietzsche's ideas on the development of morality are... Well, they don't fit too well with what we know of actual human history and development. And I don't agree at all with the way he tries to wedge the Force into the Apollonian/Dionysian moral paradigm.

It has some interesting ideas though, which is more than you can say about most cases where people expound on Star Wars morality.

Tabron89 said:
Technically, it's best to kill every sith and jedi, erase all their teachings from the galaxy, -then- become Apathetic, living out the rest of your days away from anyone who you can teach it to.

....Who knew that committing mass genocide and book burning would actually save a galaxy?
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Unless the cycle of violence is something built into the way the Force works.

fasquardon
 
I'd argue the real problem is that stabilizing the Force is complicated. Basically you need an order that uses both light and dark because otherwise the one that's left out gets pissed and puts all it's eggs in a super basket (like Palpatine). And after you get it you need to make sure no asshole decides to kick over the whole thing for the sake of power (see the Rakatan Empire).

Basically, you have to keep track of the number of big time Force users with influence in the galaxy... And try to keep it exactly the same for both sides all the time. And don't let anybody touch the thing. Or otherwise the pendulum starts swinging in one direction, and then it comes back and fucks up the galaxy, and then it comes back again, and it never stops.
 
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fasquardon said:
So we are the Abyss Jumpers now?
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It wasn't really supposed to be a motto. Just something to get people's adrenaline rushing before combat like most war cries are. I needed a warcry, thought about "What's something stupidly brave and works with Abysses?" And then the thought of jumping into a bottomless pit that you're watching (at the edge of) came to mind and ... well .. you get that sentence.

The fact that such a warcry likely would work best to entice some overly gloryhound like Kaleesh meant I used it a second time. I just liked it more than "One step forward, not a single step back!" For vanity reasons if nothing else.
 
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