May The Invisible Hand Be With You - (Star Wars CK2-Style Quest)
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Killerflood
Corporal Cannonfodder
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- Saṃsāra
I don't think that would be in its parameters. I mean it's Rakatan tech and if it's parameters contained the goal to upgrade itself it should be the size of a planet by now ... or at least a small moon.
Battleship_Fusou
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There's also the fact that it's extraordinarily unlikely that the even a small majority of each asteroid was actually useful materials. The excess/waste was probably ejected into a star or something.
Of course not, it just got a start on replacing all of its missing systems.
You know, the rest of the Star Forge.
No. The Foundry was one of 3 (or was it 4?) Infinite Empire super-structures built explicitly as military trump-cards. While the Star-Forge was the most significant in terms of Dark-Side corruption (and therefore more attractive to Sith), all of the 3(4?) were technically 'equal' in strategic value, though the ways they went about accomplishing that were unique.
The Star Forge and Foundry respectively seemed to focus on Fleet and Army construction, though both undoubtedly had a fair degree of diversification. The biggest mechanical difference is that one draws matter from stars, and the other from asteroid fields and small planetary bodies.
We can probably assume the Foundry has the same Technology the Star Forge would have needed to convert Hydrogen harvested from Stars into the various heavy elements needed for star-ship construction
. With that in mind, I doubt there's any 'waste' material from processing the local fields. But where did it all go?I recommend considering that the condition of the Foundry (or the Star Forge for that matter) at their peak operation under the Rakatans is...not necessarily equivalent to the how they were discovered and repurposed by the Sith Empire(s).
In other words, full repair means repairing the damage from the collapse of the Infinite Empire, the retaking it from Revan, and over 100,000 years wear and tear. There is also almost certainly a huge amount of 'product' either on-site, or maybe automatically shipped off to some obscure rally-point in deep space until the Foundry ran out of material and went into power-saving mode.
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So how does that make the Foundary any more powerful than, say, Yag'Dhul which joined the CNS this turn?
There are many, many millions of planets in the Galaxy and thousands of planets of significant importance.
fasquardon
Max Uristwell
Custodian of the Toobs
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Because it's small enough to strap engines to and move around. We currently have the equivalent of an entire planet devoted entirely to manufacturing (with all of the appropriate resource gathering capabilities that said planet would require imports for) that we can just strap an engine to and fly out of the way of any investigation/conflict.
Besides this, you're forgetting how superior the technology of the factory is. It makes better droids faster with fewer logistical concerns, and has potentially has access to lost Rakatan/Old Rep/Sith technology.
It does not need to be re-keyed or adjusted for different construction ques, and can be shifted around different locations in the Galaxy to maintain subtlety, one of the Abyss Watchers strong points, and a major weakness of literally all other big factories that remain static targets, tying up fleet protection and resource logistics.
Edit: In a society like the Rakatans, planetary build capacity would not have been enough. The real strength, was probably the ability to subtly move to location in the hyperspace routes, and Blitzkrieg a target with an unending swarm of expendable drones.
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I see Jabba as part of the Hutt Cartel (or at least a member of the Five Families as seen in TCW) which has directly ruled a large slice of the galaxy for a couple thousand years. The reason why nobody goes after them is that they can buy up all the mercenaries, bounty hunters and criminal groups to fight for them and then turn all the corruption in the galaxy against their opponents.
I can point out that neither Vectivus or Ciaran don't actually know that much about Darth Sidious. They knows who he is, but they don't know how powerful he is (except that Maul is terrified of him and Ventress believes knowing about him is a death sentence) or how deep his corruption goes.
Palpatine still thinks we're more akin to Nute Gunray in that we're doing this for the credits, but admittedly he's going to try and criticise the military buildup.
That's a good point.
I'm not forgetting anything. I don't know it in the first place. I mean, this thing comes from a game whose sole value, so far as I can see it, is that it is so bad that it makes me laugh.
So far, we've had no confirmation on your suppositions though. All Dr. Snark has said is that it is "matches the production of a whole planet".
And yet, Ciaran is strangling his A plan. It doesn't matter if he thinks she is a small minded creature like Nute, she's definitely in his way now. If he doesn't start working to directly remove her or the CNS at this point, it's likely because he's switched to one of his backup plans or because he is working to take over the CNS from the inside (which should be rather easy to do, given how much it has expanded lately).
fasquardon
Are you not paying attention then? I mean, I haven't played KOTOR either, but it's not exactly hard to do a quick search. Nor is it very hard to draw some conclusions from logic, an knowledge of the boundaries of Snark (namely canon and EU). Everything is a supposition, yes, but technically so is every comment until the next post by Snark. That doesn't invalidate any sense behind what I, or anyone else might say. As for you not knowing...I'm sorry, but talk about super weapons, Rakatans, and the Old Republic isn't exactly new. All of this stuff has been mentioned multiple times throughout the thread to my knowledge. Getting pissy about it isn't going to change anything.
But it does matter? I mean, it's not going to change how Ciaran is a problem, but it will change how Palpatine reacts, and how Ciaren should coordinate her defenses, political and military. Neutralizing a Nut Gunray is not the same as neutralizing a Darth Maul. It's in our best interest to keep him focused on the former.
Why do you think I am pissy about this?
By people who are not the QM. So far the QM has only said "this is really strong" and "it is productive like a planet", but I don't really have a sense of what HIS conception of the Foundry is and what HE thinks it's strengths and weaknesses are.
And it's Dr. Snark's conception of the Foundry that matters inside the quest universe, and his conception of it that will tell us how worthwhile it is for Ciaran to give top priority to getting full control over it, as opposed to, for example, prioritizing the development of Taris.
fasquardon
Dr. Snark
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I feel like I need to clarify something.
It's far more powerful for the reasons described: high-quality droids that can be produced en masse, an ability to produce conventional droids and the ones already in its database with effectively 0 turnover time, to say nothing of the fact that can be moved anywhere...
It's a big deal. For reference, the B1 droid production you have now is with one factory. So that scales up pretty damn quickly.
It's far more powerful for the reasons described: high-quality droids that can be produced en masse, an ability to produce conventional droids and the ones already in its database with effectively 0 turnover time, to say nothing of the fact that can be moved anywhere...
It's a big deal. For reference, the B1 droid production you have now is with one factory. So that scales up pretty damn quickly.
Mostly the phrasing, but also because it seemed like you were dismissing my points and my sources as irrelevant since Dr. Snark didn't make them. Which is illogical, because you aren't the QM either, and have exactly as much ground to stand on as I do. Simply stating that what I say isn't true because I don't dictate the quest, instead of posing your own counterarguments with your own logic, suppositions, and sources is...rude (seeming). I apologise if that was not your intention.
See, this is what I mean. Of course we can't just say what it is without the QMs consent. By the same logic, you can't dismiss anything we say on those grounds alone. State a flaw in others logic, make an argument of your own, or even ask for more clarification/information, but don't just say we're automatically wrong until the QM says what's up.
That's what I was asking for.
I didn't say you were wrong. But I was asking the QM a question. I was NOT asking the general player-base "what do you guys think is so good about the Foundry and how can we use it"?
My own suppositions were irrelevant to my actual question.
As it happens, my suppositions were similar to yours, save I hadn't thought the Foundry was mobile as well.
Cool. Thanks.
fasquardon
Oh yeah, isn't it somewhere that has the piece of the Star Forge repairing itself or something?
I think you mean the Infinite Engine on Nar Shaddaa that was could convert energy into almost anything, from air to water to shelter and was guarded by a cult of the creepiest aliens I've ever seen:
Depends on whether the light side or dark side options whether it was claimed by the Imperials, but I think it would have been moved or destroyed by the cult if it wasn't due to their previous defences being destroyed.
Killerflood
Corporal Cannonfodder
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I think you mean the Infinite Engine on Nar Shaddaa that was could convert energy into almost anything, from air to water to shelter and was guarded by a cult of the creepiest aliens I've ever seen:
Depends on whether the light side or dark side options whether it was claimed by the Imperials, but I think it would have been moved or destroyed by the cult if it wasn't due to their previous defences being destroyed.
I didn't know the Star Wars universe had Cthuloids!
That...looks like an extremely mutated Rakatan. Probably a Dark-Side fragment then.I think you mean the Infinite Engine on Nar Shaddaa that was could convert energy into almost anything, from air to water to shelter and was guarded by a cult of the creepiest aliens I've ever seen:
Depends on whether the light side or dark side options whether it was claimed by the Imperials, but I think it would have been moved or destroyed by the cult if it wasn't due to their previous defences being destroyed.
The species is known as the Ongree. Native to the planet Skustell Cluster in the Tarabba sector near the more prominent planet of Utapau. They're amphibious and they even have a Jedi Knight named Pablo-Jill, who is selfless, brave and determined. In another timeline he chased after Grievous when he kidnapped the Chancellor, all the way to the Invisible Hand where he duelled Grievous, but was killed and thrown out of the airlock.
Tell me you can see the similarities right? Though it sounds like this is just a case of authors reusing alien designs.The species is known as the Ongree. Native to the planet Skustell Cluster in the Tarabba sector near the more prominent planet of Utapau. They're amphibious and they even have a Jedi Knight named Pablo-Jill, who is selfless, brave and determined. In another timeline he chased after Grievous when he kidnapped the Chancellor, all the way to the Invisible Hand where he duelled Grievous, but was killed and thrown out of the airlock.
I'm going to assume those things are a Rakatan offshoot of some sort.
(Omake) ...And Outcomes (Canon)
Barondoctor
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Consequences part 2: Outcomes
The ship was in sight. I was almost home. Ronny--Rondaes. I was going to try to call her Rondaes now. She'd used my name and it seemed only fair.
She'd kept watch over me as we'd walked to the ship, traded watches with me as we'd traveled while the others carried, skinned, and gutted the mumuu.
I checked the tube. It was in place, and it could probably come out by the time I got back into the ship. I closed my eyes, stoked my inner fire, and felt everything within me right. For some reason I'd started to get a sense of Rondaes over the last few days as well, something about spending several days in close proximity as I'd been learning how to use the Force to heal myself. I sensed something was off about her knee, so I built up the fire and pushed it into my hand, before reaching out and touching her knee, pushing the fire out into her knee and setting it to rights.
It was at that moment I was tapped on the shoulder. I spun and came face to face with Grievous himself.
"You think to return to the ship without your mask. Without your name. This cannot stand."
I wasn't sure whether my heart leapt into my throat or dropped into the pit of my stomach.
Almost at once the mask was thrust into my hand. A mask like Grievous and Rondaes and the rest of the squad wore, and yet slightly dissimilar at the same time. It had been shaped for me, fit over my face perfectly. My eyes stared out the eye holes, my ears came through the ear holes, my mouth visible under the row of teeth protruding from the upper jaw of the mask. It was still plain and unpainted, but that would come in time.
I nodded in thanks. "My name?"
Grievous scoffed. "The mumuu hunt changes everyone. Some are broken by it. Some are shaped by it." He stared straight into my eyes, as if daring me to speak. "A few, however, are compelled to show what they are made of. What abilities they've been learning in secret."
I took a breath, closed my eyes for a moment and tried to recenter myself, but Grievous' imposing presence continued to unsettle me. "I know you don't think much of Jedi, sir, with good reason, and I wasn't sure how you'd react when I started developing the ability to use the Force in a way similar to them."
I got the sense that in the past one might have spat upon hearing the term "Jedi", but that Grievous was aiming to be somewhat more politic these days. "No Jedi ever kicked a hole in a mumuu. If they had, they might have been changed such that they could be respected."
I knew the words I needed. "I am no Jedi. I may have their sense for danger, and I may have been keeping my skills secret until they were needed, but both of those were because I lacked courage. The mumuu taught me courage, and I will always be grateful for its gift. I have been learning the ways of the Matukai, merging martial arts and Force philosophy into something that makes me stronger than I was."
I looked up at Grievous and realized he wanted more of an explanation.
"I build up a fire within myself and use that to become stronger, tougher, able to go on and on without fatigue. As you can see and as Rondaes can tell you, I can endure cold environments without protective clothing and can heat my skin to the point snow vaporizes when it touches me. All of this is useless if I cannot adapt, so I have also trained my mind to be more flexible." I blinked. "Apparently, I can also heal myself and others by channeling the Force and making things right."
I saw a hint of a smile on Grievous' face. "Welcome to my personal guard, Reaper. I look forward to working with you," he said as he clapped me on the shoulder.
That put one question in my mind: Could you make a wan-shen based on a scythe?
A/N: I know, I know, Reaper borders on edgy for edgy's sake. If it helps any, it was given by Grievous who is no stranger to the idea of names having a certain degree of power. Also, what name would be more fitting for a skull-masked man carrying a polearm who holds the power of life and death in his hands?
Why not Charon as an alternative name?
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Or Thanatos.