Panory
The Omake Dragon
- Location
- New York
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Not gonna lie, I was going to suggest Hoth for the exact same pun.
May The Invisible Hand Be With You - (Star Wars CK2-Style Quest)
- Thread starter Dr. Snark
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- star wars canon what canon tsundere dice ck2 quest actions have consequences all the credits all work and no play makes ciaran a dull girl best sister capitalism ho! despairing qm teetotaller society member gotta catch 'em all insanity looting off the rails sage dice approaching spicy sheev tsundere asajj
deadcrystal
Slaaneshi Cultist
- Location
- The Warp
She was referring to when Dooku first met her. She was acknowledging that, at that point in time, she wasn't really a Sith. She wasn't making any statement about her current self.
Pretty sure she's using it correctly. She's achieved victory over the things that were constraining her and holding her back.
She didn't destroy her fear, she just acknowledged how it was controlling her and stopped letting it. Not to state the obvious but no part of this vindictive revenge trip is in line with Jedi ideals
I'd say she's made an important step towards it,mbut isn't there quite yet.
Not really. I don't think she has anything but disdain for the Jedi or their teachings or ideals. (excepting her old teacher, who she actually Liked)
- Location
- Australia
"Dark Jedi" is a catch-all term for non-Sith Dark Side users.
deadcrystal
Slaaneshi Cultist
- Location
- The Warp
I...haven't seen it as a catch-all term except as a mistake.
Dark side Force Adept is the generalist term I've seen, I've only ever seen Dark Jedi for actual former Jedi that turned to the dark side.
Actually, she's unwittingly using the original meaning as set forth by Darth Revan, if I remember correctly, when he set up the Sith Academy, however it was corrupted later after the annihilation of that particular incarnation of the Sith, which led to the Rule of Two.
Dr. Snark
Exactly As Planned...Probably
- Location
- Right where I want to be
- Pronouns
- He/His/Him
I was tempted, but Hoth is in either CNS or Republic space (I can't be bothered to check which right now) and from what I understand it didn't have the frozen oceans I needed for that last part of the pursuit.
- Location
- Too Deep in the Midnight Sea
Speaking of Revan, for me Asajj has enough attitude to go tell millennia of Sith tradition "Bitch, I'm Darth Ventress" like he did.
- Location
- america
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id be down for darth ventress. its pretty good name wise
- Location
- USA
I'd personally prefer her to not get a Darth title.
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why is that? i personaly, would like it a lot, cause while some people say she's more "dark jedi" or not a sith, she is kind of a sith.
The Darth title for me was more of a mental exercise, but I do think it's more the type of thing Darth Vectivus would grant as a reward for becoming his type of Sith. Ventress might have started out as a Dark Jedi, but she has learnt the Lore of the Sith, gone through trials to test the concept of who she is and come out a better person, not just in more, but mentally and emotionally.
Also I have an idea on how to expand the CNS naval officer corps. Creating a privateer fleet, as pirates are perhaps the most experienced group in naval combat who aren't fighting in the Clone Wars.
Also I have an idea on how to expand the CNS naval officer corps. Creating a privateer fleet, as pirates are perhaps the most experienced group in naval combat who aren't fighting in the Clone Wars.
- Location
- USA
I already think we're diving deeper into the whole Jedi/Sith thing than we should. Ventress gaining a Darth title is going farther down that road.
I joined the quest to be a crime lord in Star Wars, not to recreate the Sith Empire, reform the Jedi, or start our own force faction. I've been with this quest from the start and I'd probably leave if we start going full Sith Lord or the Council of the Gray thing gets any traction, it's just not what I want out of this quest. I'm not saying it will happen, but we've been leaning towards that road for a while.
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- Location
- Australia
I concur with this general sentiment.
Killerflood
Corporal Cannonfodder
- Location
- Saṃsāra
Theme wise, I agree with @HavocKeeper and @Andres110. The focus of this quest should be on Ciaran's criminal/business enterprises and Palpatine and his New Order's threat to them. That is, after all, how we stumbled upon Palpatine's plans. Our information broker status had us try to figure out why the war broke out to begin with and who is in control of each side. We figured out Dooku's side but only stumbled across Sidious/Palpatine because of Thrawn. Even our interactions with the Jedi have been due to external events such as the Huk scandal and the fact that when there's Sith, the Jedi will be attacked and thus we considered them allies of opportunity in the "I can deal with (manipulate) you and you're an enemy of this unknown force hurting my profits and personal ventures. EnemyOfMyEnemyIsMyFriendSaysWhat?" "What?" "Hah! Thanks for your help. Try not to fuck anything up while I try to fix this. I'll call you later!"
We strengthened the CNS because we needed fertile middle ground as a third party bulwark against the two sides being controlled by said Sith.
We started teaching our own force agents because we saw the use in having them. We learned so much about the Force because we were up against a Sith Lord. In learning ways to fight said Sith Lord we just happened to learn from Sith. We could have very well learned from (dead) Jedi.
We're closer to Sith than Jedi? So? Will fighting the Jedi or creating a third way help our enterprises/help against Palpatine and Dooku/or increase our profits? No? Then why bother? It's not in our interest and there's no fun to be had doing so. (At least for me. The fact that I feel the need to argue about this is ... eh.)
Our goals in relation to the Sith are to stop them from destroying everything we've built. It's also grown slightly personal but our organization is only focused against them in so far that they are a threat to us. Philosophical differences shouldn't enter the matter.
Our goals in relation to the Jedi are that they are a more useful tool than the alternatives. They keep order well enough so that we may prosper off of it but they're not so competent that they get in our way. They're the perfect column for the imperfect system we are benefiting from due to its imperfectness.
Crime Lord / Mastermind is fun for me. Force Master Ciaran is eh ... besides, we have @Publicola for that type of quest.
We strengthened the CNS because we needed fertile middle ground as a third party bulwark against the two sides being controlled by said Sith.
We started teaching our own force agents because we saw the use in having them. We learned so much about the Force because we were up against a Sith Lord. In learning ways to fight said Sith Lord we just happened to learn from Sith. We could have very well learned from (dead) Jedi.
We're closer to Sith than Jedi? So? Will fighting the Jedi or creating a third way help our enterprises/help against Palpatine and Dooku/or increase our profits? No? Then why bother? It's not in our interest and there's no fun to be had doing so. (At least for me. The fact that I feel the need to argue about this is ... eh.)
Our goals in relation to the Sith are to stop them from destroying everything we've built. It's also grown slightly personal but our organization is only focused against them in so far that they are a threat to us. Philosophical differences shouldn't enter the matter.
Our goals in relation to the Jedi are that they are a more useful tool than the alternatives. They keep order well enough so that we may prosper off of it but they're not so competent that they get in our way. They're the perfect column for the imperfect system we are benefiting from due to its imperfectness.
Crime Lord / Mastermind is fun for me. Force Master Ciaran is eh ... besides, we have @Publicola for that type of quest.
- Location
- The internet
Yes it will though? Palpatine's whole Order 66 plan is predicated on framing the Jedi, murdering a ton of them and then using the hystaria to gain control of the galaxy. Having a powerful Force Organization that he doesn't have a way to instantly murder will mean that he has to spend time figuring out how to murder them and doesn't dare off the Jedi until he does, buying us potentially years of time. Additionally, some reform of the Jedi is absolutely essential for our long term survival. Currently, the Jedi believe that they have a monopoly on the right way to use the force, and that dark side organizations are inherently evil. And having some Sith run a galaxy wide two man con isn't going to help matters. If we want to avoid a long term conflict with the Jedi some sort of new paradigm where the Jedi don't get to decide what is and what isn't the proper use of the force is required, and having a bunch of reputable force organizations come together in an alliance is by far the best way to accomplish that.
Frankly, for all that I like Cirian as a self interested crime boss, a huge part of her character arc is moving beyond her selfish instincts and becoming a mostly benevolent manipulator on a galactic scale, while also learning more about the force. Complaining about setting up a force organization years after we've already done so is just odd.
- Location
- america
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very true, this ciaran is not like the one from the very beggining
Killerflood
Corporal Cannonfodder
- Location
- Saṃsāra
The Abyss Walkers (the force side of our Abyss Watcher's organisation) isn't a dark side organization though. It's a department or special rank within a larger non-Force organization. A lot of our agents might use it but it doesn't make it a dark side organization. It's not even a Force organization. It's the slight differences that make the Abyss Walkers a group of agents who happen to use the Force and not a group of Force users who happen to be agents. One's focus is their job and the other's focus is on the Force .
On your second point I can partly agree with that. Ciaran's own story deals a lot with character development and that seems to be tied with her growth in the Force. However, back to my previous point, we didn't set up a Force organization. We set up a general criminal organization which uses beings who are Force sensitive and thus are trained in the Force.
My point is that the Force isn't the focus of our organization. It's a seemingly sapient force of the galaxy which we use as a tool in relation to our actual goals. (Which is currently defeat Palpatine.)
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Dr. Snark
Exactly As Planned...Probably
- Location
- Right where I want to be
- Pronouns
- He/His/Him
To alleviate some concerms, I didn't really see a hypothetical Darth title for Asajj as this whole "starting a new Sith Order" thing but rather as more of a middle finger towards Dooku and Palpatine (from Ciaran's side) and an acknowledgement of her growth (from Vectivus' side).
Honestly, the point is that it's only as meaningful as Asajj would want it to be. If that makes sense.
Honestly, the point is that it's only as meaningful as Asajj would want it to be. If that makes sense.
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a big fat middle finger to dooku sounds fun, and vectivus is a cool do to gain acknowledgment from, in fact, why havnt we given him a body yet.
- Location
- USA
I still don't see a point to it. I just don't want us going farther towards the whole Sith thing, her getting a Darth title feels entirely unnecessary.
True, but to defeat Palpatine he needs to die, and to kill him Force users are very needed. So getting as many as she can is very much in Ciaran's interest. And grabbing a bunch of existing Force using groups and getting them to join up for this purpose is the obvious way, because training people from scratch is hard and time consuming. And to get them to join up there needs to be a larger Force using organization they want to join. Hence Ciaran has plentiful incentives to either make the Abysswalkers into more of a Force using organization than they already are, or make a separate Force using organization.
- Location
- Australia
No they aren't. The guy went through three Jedi Masters like they were nothing. Our top-tier Force users are only on the level of Knights and aren't as good at combat as them. Only hero units are worth anything in a fight with him but, again, he took out three Jedi Masters like they were nothing.
That only means Ciaran needs lots more than three, and well trained ones, hence getting every single Force user she can find across the galaxy. And then leaking the whole thing to the Jedi at the last minute.