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May The Invisible Hand Be With You - (Star Wars CK2-Style Quest)

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MonkeyTypewriter said:
The real problem is that their doctrine is terrible. The Imperial Star Destroyer is a 1,600 meter behemoth. It has a crew of 46,785 people, including 9,700 Stormtroopers. It also has 76 fighters, consisting of mass produced cheap TIE Series.
Lets contrast that with the workhorse of the Republican Navy: the Venerator Class Star Destroyer. Its 1,115 meters with a small crew of 7,400. It has 420 fighters and a heavy point defense.
So, the Empire decided to simultaneously shift to a strategy of hoards of cheaply produced sublight fighters, while simultaneously cutting the carrier capacity on their primary warship to less than a fifth of its predecessor. Of course this worked horribly.
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I think they switched because of a change in doctrine. The military's mission changed from fighting a full blown war to peacekeeping, which doesn't require big guns. Generally an Imperial Star Destroyer doesn't operate alone, like the carriers of today, it has a small fleet of smaller patrol vessels and support ships to fill in for any shortcomings.
 
MonkeyTypewriter said:
The real problem is that their doctrine is terrible. The Imperial Star Destroyer is a 1,600 meter behemoth. It has a crew of 46,785 people, including 9,700 Stormtroopers. It also has 76 fighters, consisting of mass produced cheap TIE Series.
Lets contrast that with the workhorse of the Republican Navy: the Venerator Class Star Destroyer. Its 1,115 meters with a small crew of 7,400. It has 420 fighters and a heavy point defense.
So, the Empire decided to simultaneously shift to a strategy of hoards of cheaply produced sublight fighters, while simultaneously cutting the carrier capacity on their primary warship to less than a fifth of its predecessor. Of course this worked horribly.
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Well, there are other dimensions to consider, but it sounds to me those 420 fighters would take up so much volume inside the Venerator that it is pretty much a dedicated carrier.

And whether or not military technology is regressing or progressing in Star Wars is contentious. Nobody cared enough to pay somebody to keep track of that stuff. It doesn't help to make a prequel series decades after the original movie.
 
I made it. I don't know how long it's been or how I got here or damn near who I am, but I made it.

I made it to the end of the thread.

Son of a bitch!

I only recently stumbled across this Quest (and its predecessor), and damn it if I'm not in love with Lady Ciaran and all that she has done. This quest scratched an itch I didn't realize I had for crime conspiracy and capitalism in a science fiction/fantasy setting. I'm very new at creative writing, but I just might have to take a crack at an omake at some point or other.

There is only one problem.

I'M HUNGRY FOR MORE GODDAMNIT
 
MrLackingSanity said:
I made it. I don't know how long it's been or how I got here or damn near who I am, but I made it.

I made it to the end of the thread.

Son of a bitch!

I only recently stumbled across this Quest (and its predecessor), and damn it if I'm not in love with Lady Ciaran and all that she has done. This quest scratched an itch I didn't realize I had for crime conspiracy and capitalism in a science fiction/fantasy setting. I'm very new at creative writing, but I just might have to take a crack at an omake at some point or other.

There is only one problem.

I'M HUNGRY FOR MORE GODDAMNIT
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Ciaran: YAY! Anouther fanboy! Quick check if he as a useful talent for recruitment!
 
MonkeyTypewriter said:
The real problem is that their doctrine is terrible. The Imperial Star Destroyer is a 1,600 meter behemoth. It has a crew of 46,785 people, including 9,700 Stormtroopers. It also has 76 fighters, consisting of mass produced cheap TIE Series.
Lets contrast that with the workhorse of the Republican Navy: the Venerator Class Star Destroyer. Its 1,115 meters with a small crew of 7,400. It has 420 fighters and a heavy point defense.
So, the Empire decided to simultaneously shift to a strategy of hoards of cheaply produced sublight fighters, while simultaneously cutting the carrier capacity on their primary warship to less than a fifth of its predecessor. Of course this worked horribly.
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zup said:
Well, there are other dimensions to consider, but it sounds to me those 420 fighters would take up so much volume inside the Venerator that it is pretty much a dedicated carrier.
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This, essentially. Venators, in spite of their appearance, were not true Star Destroyers, and it annoys me to no end when people treat them like Star Destroyers. They were hilariously under armed for any role other then acting as carriers. They were armed with a whooping 8 turbolasers, and that "heavy point defense" was just a fuck load of flak cannons placed around the belt. The shift in doctrine was due to the losses their relative ineffectiveness against foes like Trade Federation Battlecruisers, which were hilariously armed, armored, shielded, and not vulnerable to fighter spam. The Republic had literally no big gun ship to counter it, and a single one would take forever to merely crack the shields. Hence the shift in doctrine to big guns ships like Star Destroyers, which could be supported by carriers if need be.
 
Just a heads up to reassure you folks that I am in fact still alive and writing the update; turns out it's taking longer than expected due me wanting to do a bunch of different fun things for it. Believe me when I say it's going to be hilarious, trust me.

Speaking of which, no excerpt this time, but I will say that while the other stuff is happening Ahsoka and Rex will be learning about some of Anakin's deepest darkest secrets. That is all~
 
Dr. Snark said:
Just a heads up to reassure you folks that I am in fact still alive and writing the update; turns out it's taking longer than expected due me wanting to do a bunch of different fun things for it. Believe me when I say it's going to be hilarious, trust me.

Speaking of which, no excerpt this time, but I will say that while the other stuff is happening Ahsoka and Rex will be learning about some of Anakin's deepest darkest secrets. That is all~
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We find out that Anakin was lying about hating sand:p.
 
Hey guys? Remember that, thanks to our intervention, Anakin and Padme never got a chance to be married?

That means that the 'deep dark secret' can't be that Anakin is breaking the Jedi Code by being married (or even in a relationship with) a Senator.

However, it does mean that Anakin's friends might discover that he has a massive crush on said Senator... :evil:
 
Dr. Snark said:
Nonono. It's the other kind of deepest darkest secret. I told you this is going to be a happy, fluffy interlude.
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Oh snap! There is only one possible explanation for this.

Anakin got his hands on these guys!


Knowing what they did to the Empire, I almost feel sorry for the Separatists. The galaxy is not ready for these warriors.

So many worlds will go up in flames! :o
 
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No, no, no. You all are forgetting some of the other deviations we've caused. The deep dark secret of Anakin Skywalker is... he's a total mama's boy. Shmi shows up and mothers the crap out of the Jedi General in front of his Padawan and Clone Trooper, going full on wet thumb wipe down, wondering when he's going to stop playing with his tinker toys and get a real job, why that Ciaran is a sweet girl maybe he should settle down a make some grand kids soon?
 
Bones said:
This, essentially. Venators, in spite of their appearance, were not true Star Destroyers, and it annoys me to no end when people treat them like Star Destroyers. They were hilariously under armed for any role other then acting as carriers. They were armed with a whooping 8 turbolasers, and that "heavy point defense" was just a fuck load of flak cannons placed around the belt. The shift in doctrine was due to the losses their relative ineffectiveness against foes like Trade Federation Battlecruisers, which were hilariously armed, armored, shielded, and not vulnerable to fighter spam. The Republic had literally no big gun ship to counter it, and a single one would take forever to merely crack the shields. Hence the shift in doctrine to big guns ships like Star Destroyers, which could be supported by carriers if need be.
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This is more of that whole "history rhyming" thing. Big ships that are heavily gunned and armored and not really vulnerable to fighter spam vs smaller carriers with lots of fighters but not suitable for a slugging match sounds vaguely like Empire vs Rebels...or CIS vs Republic.

Intriguing that in both cases we're meant to root for the ones with carriers that likely have lots of personalities that can express themselves individually through fighter combat.

Star Wars, more than just about any other franchise, tends to grow Watsonian justifications for Doylist realities.

That said, having run a couple of different games and played a few more, I'm all for "you literally cannot pierce my shields and my guns scrap you. Your fighters might be annoying, but what can they truly do?"

Alternatively...

"My, Empire, what big guns your battleships have!"

"The better to Base Delta Zero you with, my dear!"
 
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Bones said:
The Republic had literally no big gun ship to counter it, and a single one would take forever to merely crack the shields.
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Well, depending on canon there's the Mandators and Praetors.* Both of those are certainly capable- once they've been uparmed for the Clone Wars -of going up against anything the Seppies have, possibly discounting Malevolence. Though they are very rare, to say the least. A more common 'big gun' would be the Victory, but even then the Vic-I was a missile boat...hm.

*upon further review, it turns out both of the above are still canon though we know next to nothing about Disney!verse versions of them. Just that a Mandator is apparently large enough to power a superlaser and a Praetor's reactor can power the Hoth ion cannon.
 
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