Lex Sedet In Vertice: A Supervillain in the DCU CK2 quest

What sort of tone should I shoot for with this Quest?

  • Go as crack fueled as you can we want Ambush Bug, Snowflame and Duckseid

    Votes: 30 7.7%
  • Go for something silly but keep a little bit of reason

    Votes: 31 7.9%
  • Adam West Camp

    Votes: 27 6.9%
  • Balanced as all things should be

    Votes: 195 50.0%
  • Mostly serious but not self-involvedly so

    Votes: 73 18.7%
  • Dark and brooding but with light at the end of the tunnel

    Votes: 12 3.1%
  • We're evil and we don't want anyone to be happy

    Votes: 22 5.6%

  • Total voters
    390
  • Poll closed .
I'm not interested in attempting to grab stuff that will bog us down in unproductive actions
Oh no doubt but it does mean the league may be undestimating the court of owls a bit which may result in a far more visible battle than the league would like and if the league does win they may become a lot more powerful if they were to get the items this may be the event that opens the lid on the existence of magic just like how superman's debut open the lid on the existence of meta humans.
 
My own general take on LexCorp is as follows:

LexCorp is generally more representative of the population in terms of hiring people of different genders even if it does ultimately have more men than any other group
LexCorp is generally better at hiring LGBTQ+ people but they are still solidly in the minority (amongst your hero units I think the number is something like 10% and I imagine it would be higher amongst the general workforce)
LBGTQ+ people are a minority of the population as a whole. Counting all those groups together... Well, I don't actually know but I would casually estimate somewhere between 10-20% of the population qualifies.

No amount of inclusiveness is going to get you to 50% LBGTQ representation in a large organization unless you are hiring from a REALLY UNUSUAL recruitment crew.

If we are discussing actions then I have four actions that I would like that we do next turn

Hire Lady Vic
I want a private assassin on our payroll one that we do not have to worry about having any crisis of morality and someone who we know can stay loyal usually that would be Mercy but we usually have her doing other stuff and I like having hero units and lady Vic seems like someone we can get easily
We don't actually pressingly need people assassinated very often, y'know. Lady Vic would probably spend a lot of time being a generic Martial hero for us, and that's assuming she wouldn't get bored without that "thrill of the hunt" thing going on.

Go to azerath
We have put off this action for a few years now in game and I would really like it if we were to go there before it turns to rubble for that sweet magical lore and magic users
Agreed. This is only not a core priority inasmuch as we're still dealing with fallout from the Khandaq thing maybe.

I would like to imagine LexCorp is more representative of the general population than most corporations since you have Lex at the top hiring on non old white men which is going to set company culture.
I mean yes, but like there are a lot of men in the general population. A representative sample of the population is going to be roughly evenly split between men and women. Plus, no matter how inclusive LexCorp is being, they're hardly the only company in the high-tech sector with good hiring practices. I can't imagine that Buggle is being all that sexist with Ted Kord in charge unless I've misestimated the man, and Veronica Cale is all like GIRLBOSS INTENSIFIES. So it is reasonable to suppose that LexCorp has some boring upper-echelon administrative suit-mooks to go with all the prominent and influential female named characters who are 'suits' in terms of being major project managers but not mooks.
 
[X] [Trip] Meet with the GCPD
[X] [Trip] Take Talia to a proper dinner (Write-in)
[X] [Trip] Meet with Vivian D'Aramis to discuss Bruce Wayne's party
 
That's a really high estimate.


Williams Institute has them at 4.5% for the US. It's a survey, and those aren't perfectly accurate, but....
I'm including in that basically everyone who's even a little bit bi or noticeably gender-nonconforming: the maximally broad definition. I'm also factoring in that younger generations are far more likely to identify as LBGTQ than older ones. Barring something really screwy with biochemistry, more so than I would think likely to take effect so quickly... That kind of suggests that the 'real' LBGTQ population is artificially depressed by the fact that a lot of older people are either closeted or repressing it rather than expressing it.
 
I'm including in that basically everyone who's even a little bit bi or noticeably gender-nonconforming: the maximally broad definition. I'm also factoring in that younger generations are far more likely to identify as LBGTQ than older ones. Barring something really screwy with biochemistry, more so than I would think likely to take effect so quickly... That kind of suggests that the 'real' LBGTQ population is artificially depressed by the fact that a lot of older people are either closeted or repressing it rather than expressing it.
Okay.. but when you're talking employment numbers, you're talking "identifiable, out of the pool of potential employees"... so you're basically talking about what someone self-identifies as and acknowledges, and you're generally not talking about almost anyone under the age of 18 (or over the age of retirement). To me, that would probably line up pretty closely with the Williams numbers.
 
LBGTQ+ people are a minority of the population as a whole. Counting all those groups together... Well, I don't actually know but I would casually estimate somewhere between 10-20% of the population qualifies.

No amount of inclusiveness is going to get you to 50% LBGTQ representation in a large organization unless you are hiring from a REALLY UNUSUAL recruitment crew.
I'll be honest I figured that the number would be something like 12% but the problem with doing fake demographics is that the real life demographics are messy enough to the point where I don't know enough to say if my own guess would be reasonable in any sense of the word
That's a really high estimate.

The Williams Institute
Williams Institute has them at 4.5% for the US. It's a survey, and those aren't perfectly accurate, but....
The thing that really throws the William's institute numbers into question for me is the fact that with the sole exception of Nevada, all of the states with the most LGBTQ+ people are all considered the most liberal states in the US. It's not a 100% correlation but when people being closeted about this stuff is a common occurrence and most of the big breakthroughs regarding LGBTQ+ people occurred in the past decade if that (gay marriage became legal in the US in 2015), I'm inclined to believe that there is still a negative stigma associated with being LGBTQ+ in many places, thus artificially lowering the amount of people who respond honestly to the survey.

It's not a massive deal and I could be wrong about it but I'm always iffy to trust statistics when they're presented to me in a vacuum (for example the average life expectancy on earth seems like a good way to gauge all countries general level of health until you realize that the number, 72.6 years, is only barely different from the average life expectance between China and India, which when I did averaged the two unweighted numbers I got 72.815).

At the end of the day the exact number isn't important so much as the general impression and the entire 10% number I derived was attained by going "you've got like thirty hero units and 3 LGBTQ+ hero units meaning the proportion there is something like 1/10 ergo 10%". It's not truly important and I'm by no means an expert on the subject matter so if the number that makes sense to you is 5% or 15% or 25% it doesn't matter to me so long as the general trend (LexCorp hires more than on average but they are still solidly a minority in the company) is kept.
 
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So I did some math to try and figure out how to map out the Sectors of the Universe that are used to try and build a map of the universe. The way Sectors work is that they are spheres layered atop other spheres in a larger sphere with some "border space" between them. Using math (primarily the Kissing Number theories) I figured out that the sectors extend to approximately 24 layers past Oa (the actual number of Sectors a perfect sphere would take is 3601 instead of 3600 but its close enough to be very convenient). This means that the diameter of the mapped out universe is 49 sectors long give or take a little bit. So yeah that is a thing.

Not sure what its relevance is but it also gives us a general measure of a space sector (assuming our universe and the DC Universe are about the same we can calculate that the diameter of a space sector is 1.8982857143 billion light years in length and that the actual area it covers is 3.583269278 billion light years cubed). Figured it was a neat fact to share especially since it means people can likely do minimum and maximum distance calculations between any two planets with known sectors.
 
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So a brief update on how things stand. Depending on how things go today I will be hopefully getting an update out today or tomorrow
 
A Brief Informational Post on Earth 23
Hey another alternate Earth informational post! I hope you guys enjoy! I'm plugging away at things in the background and I hope that the content will continue to flow. Sorry for the increased delay but I'll be able to start picking up speed this week and getting out more content.

Earth 23
This Earth oddly enough does not have many major differences in its history to other earths as it's very similar to most history and continuity in terms of overarching structure. Furthermore many characters are very similar over all with little to know differences (Zod for example is practically exactly the same as are other villains like Poison Ivy or Captain Cold). As such this post will be focused on writing about characters who are significantly different in this earth.
  • Kal-El/Clark Kent: In this timeline Clark accepted his Kryptonian heritage earlier and decided to still try and help people. However he when he moved to Metropolis he was forced to act when Intergang threatened to kill people in the same area he was in. Clark did not have any costume at the time and so he ended up still saving people but outing himself at the same time. As such Clark seized control of the narrative by talking to Lois Lane about who his history and his powers. The piece sold well. Following this however Clark was told by the world to do more and so he spent most of his time helping others with his powers. He did end up losing his job at the Daily Planet due to being unable to hold it down with people knowing who he is but he did manage to leverage a career with the US Government in stopping criminals they can't handle. For a while this was the status quo until Earth got invaded. He helped fight them off but following the events of the invasion he became more involved in space politics and decided to set out and help the universe at large. Wherever he goes Kal-El fights off evil to make the universe a better place
  • Kara Zor-El: Kara in this timeline is Superman's cousing who arrived in earth in stasis late during his time as a public figure. Kara is still getting used to living on Earth and tries to be a hero even if she isn't used to everything quite yet. Unlike her cousin she has remained on Earth trying to figure out who she really is.
  • Lex Luthor: In this timeline he still hates and despises Kal-El viewing him as a potential menace and a threat and a busybody who interferes with affairs he doesn't understand. As such he secretly lead several campaigns to kill him and is his harshest critic in public. That being said he was unable to defeat him and when Kal-El left Lex began to fear more than ever what would happen if the Kryptonian returned. As such he took several steps in order to ensure that he could destroy Superman if he ever returned many of which are included under his top secret Cadmus Projects.
  • Bizarro: Lex Luthor's first failed attempt at creating a clone of Superman. Bizarro is mentally deficient and rapidly deteriorated. He is currently kept in a special compound beneath LexCorp tower where he is allowed to amuse himself
  • Lucien Luthor (Superboy equivalent): Lucien is Lex's artificial son created via combining Kryptonian DNA. Lucien has superpowers but is ultimately very dependent on his father and follows his will in all things.
  • Lena Luthor (Powergirl/Galatea/Divine equivalent): A little girl and Lex Luthor's masterpiece in cloning kryptonians. Lena is a perfect copy of Supergirl in every way besides the fact that she has red hair. She was proof of concept that Lex could make perfect Kryptonian clones and slightly alter them successfully. She is being monitored for any signs of degradation but has shown none so far. Lena is Lex's favorite weapon and most Cadmus Kryptonian Bioweapons will be based on her going forward.
  • Parasite: A bioweapon designed to kill Superman that ultimately failed.
  • Bruce Wayne: Following the death of his parents and his training in the world abroad, Bruce seized control of his company and used it to open up the Batcave Academy, a place that trained individuals into his own private security force that would also help defend people in Gotham. He used his power and connections to make the Batmen a legal organization and began effectively taking down crime. As the first "Batman" of the organization and supported by a good amount of staff he was able to make a difference and train more people to follow in his footsteps. Now the Batmen have grown to be an international Peacekeeping organization which Bruce leads
  • Richard Grayson: The adopted son of Bruce Wayne and another member of the Batmen. Richard has since graduated to become the field leader of the team in Gotham and is an integral part of the Batmen as a whole. Slowly but surely Richard is learning to take over the reigns of the Batmen from Bruce himself
  • Barbara Gordon: A member of the Batmen and a key member of the team as a whole. Barbara joined the group very early on as an intern and eventually became an effective fully trained member of the time. She is Richard Grayson's fiancé and is second in command of the Batmen as a whole after Bruce himself. She has a somewhat shaky relationship with her father.
  • Jason Todd: A rogue member of the Batmen who fled to become an international mercenary operating under the code name "Red Hood". He eventually joined up with Bane's group
  • Tim Drake: A trainee of the Batcave Academy who operates sometimes with Richard Grayson
  • Cassandra Cain: The daughter of legendary assassins who fled to Gotham and was taken in by the Batman Academy. She now acts as a trainee in the group
  • Stephanie Brown: A girl whose father was abusive and was put away by the Batmen. Stephanie Brown is training in the Batcave academy to become another member of the group.
  • Katherine Kane: A member of the Batmen and Bruce's cousin. Is the head of many international operations of the group.
  • Helena Bertinelli: Another member of the Batmen and a skilled and talented operative albeit one with a penchant for violence.
  • Lyle Bolton: A member of the Batmen with a specialty in both escaping and creating traps and prisons. Lyle Bolton has some anger issues but his time in the Batmen has sanded off some of the rough edges.
  • Hugo Strange: A strange and unnerving psychologist who nonetheless serves as a member of the Batmen. He seems to admire Bruce and he's effective at shaping up recruits but there are suspicions that he is not on the up and up
  • Joker: It is unknown who the first Joker was, but he was the first criminal whom Bruce Wayne couldn't catch as the man chose to potentially die instead of being caught. His impressive and flashy performance caught the eyes of dozens around Gotham and so numerous imitators have picked up the mantle. They've even formed a gang of sorts and Jokers are often defined in their absolute opposition to Batmen, desiring to break them down and make them fail. There are currently 49 known separate individuals who have taken up the identity of "the Joker"
  • Harleen Quinzel: The most infamous and notorious individual calling themselves the Joker. Harleen Quinzel has dedicated her life to opposing the Batman and acts as a leader and organizer for many others who would be interested in doing the same. This Gotham based criminal mastermind does her level best to ensure that the Batmen will all come apart at the seams.
  • Bane: Bane realized that the visions he had in prison were not of an individual he needs to break but rather an institution. As such Bane seeks to shatter the Batmen and prove his dominance to the whole world. Bane has since become the ruler of Santa Prisca and know leads an international coalition of criminals to destroy the Batmen and ensure his dominance.
  • Selina Kyle: A thief original based in Gotham, Selina has no interest in any of the Batmen viewing them as little better than jackbooted police thugs with a self-righteous attitude. She has since gone on to sell her services to the highest bidder currently working with Bane's group.
  • Anatoli Knyazev: A member of Bane's group
  • Oswald Cobblepot: Mostly the same as normal but has gotten even better at subterfuge and secrecy. Has remained the biggest leader of organized crime in Gotham for lack of other competition
  • Victor Fries: Has been snapped up to work as an enforcer and general minion by Cobblepot who holds his wife hostage and lets him work on curing her most of the time. He works with Oswlad but the two are quite liable to turn on each other
  • Princess Diana of Themyscira: When she arrives in man's world Diana doesn't even bother hiding her identity. As such it becomes a well known fact that she is the princess of the Amazons. When she is not a superhero she works as her home countries chief diplomat in world affairs.
  • Donna of Themyscira: Diana's younger sister and a known Amazon with powerful abilities who sometimes helps take on supernatural threats alongside her older sister
  • Cassandra Sandsmark: A teenager with incredible amounts of power who is being trained as an asset by the US as she is able to keep up with and overwhelm Amazons
  • Hal Jordan: Is openly acknowledged as a Green Lantern and has managed to maintain a stable relationship with Carol Ferris because of their openness
  • Carol Ferris: Never became the Star Sapphire due to Hal being able to effectively and openly warn her about the dangers of the ring she found
  • Barry Allen: A forensic scientist who'd gotten into a terrible lab accident that managed to give him superpowers. Operated as a member of the police for a while taking down dangerous crooks and powerful threats. Eventually gave his life saving the world
  • Wally West: Barry's intern who gained superspeed in the same accident. Operated alongside him for a while and is currently growing into his own role as a member of the police and as a hero
  • Bart Allen: Barry's son who inherited his fathers powers. Bart is unable to do well in school due to his unique abilities and so is often being tutored by Wally when he has the time
  • Zatanna: Openly known to be a magician and is able to more effectively sell out shows because she can very effectively market some tricks as real magic
  • Oliver Queen: Known to be the vigilante Green Arrow thanks to a deal he cut with the US government allowing him to operate as a sort of super powered secret agent. Gives away a lot of his money to charities.
  • Dinah Laurel Lance: A US agent known to be the secret agent Black Canary who helps tackle very difficult cases. Is Oliver Queens partner and minder
  • Red Tornado: Is a full time professor on robotics and is considered one of the foremost experts in his field.
 
Not sure what its relevance is but it also gives us a general measure of a space sector (assuming our universe and the DC Universe are about the same we can calculate that the diameter of a space sector is 1.8982857143 billion light years in length and that the actual area it covers is 3.583269278 billion light years cubed). Figured it was a neat fact to share especially since it means people can likely do minimum and maximum distance calculations between any two planets with known sectors.
...That is really, really problematic. Honestly, the entire idea that the Green Lantern Corps covers all of the universe with only 3600 or 7200 space cops is really problematic.

There are at least two trillion galaxies in the observable universe. Each sector would therefore have roughly half a billion galaxies each. For reference, think about the number of grains of sand in a thousand-ton mountain of sand.

Each galaxy has billions of stars. Many of those stars have something interesting going on in them. Many of them are in trouble at any one time.

There should always, always be a virtually uncountable number of things going on that urgently require Hal Jordan's attention, somewhere in his sector, and even if he literally teleports from place to place he'd never NOT be busy. For him to spend so much time hanging around Earth dealing with comparatively petty nonsense that does NOT threaten a planet with destruction would be fucking unconscionable.

The Green Lantern Corps works a LOT better if it covers 'only' our galaxy, or our galaxy and a few neighboring ones.
 
Not sure what its relevance is but it also gives us a general measure of a space sector (assuming our universe and the DC Universe are about the same we can calculate that the diameter of a space sector is 1.8982857143 billion light years in length and that the actual area it covers is 3.583269278 billion light years cubed). Figured it was a neat fact to share especially since it means people can likely do minimum and maximum distance calculations between any two planets with known sectors.
...unless the Oans are claiming a more limited space than the entire Universe. If sectors are billions of light-years across, then the Green Lantern Rings have some absurd flight speeds on them.
 
...unless the Oans are claiming a more limited space than the entire Universe. If sectors are billions of light-years across, then the Green Lantern Rings have some absurd flight speeds on them.
It's not just the absurd flight speeds- though yes, that should mean that Green Lanterns can effectively teleport across a galaxy given the distances involved.

It's the sheer amount of stuff in such a vast space. It's virtually inconceivable that one or two entities, however powerful, could have any meaningful impact on a region of space containing half a billion galaxies.

Most people would literally never know they exist.
 
I don't think the Oans patrol the entire universe at all. I think those 3600 are the "known universe" correct? Though I suppose that given their technological level the Guardians could know the whole universe. Besides that there are many places they don't patrol. They have an agreement not to patrol the Reach's territory and presumably any sectors that they control. Then there are sectors I also know that overall the Green Lanterns really don't deal with. Places like Sector 666, Sector 3600 and the Vega star system. More than that I think its pretty widely acknowledged that the Green Lantern's numbers are WAY to small for what they are trying to do and that is probably why their few peer opponents haven't banded together to try and stop them permanently.

I mean just look at a place like Earth that, despite having numerous Green Lanterns (depending on the iteration), has had all sort of different alien invasions and attacks in comic books. The universe is simply to big for them to catch even a fraction of the activities that go on in it everyone knows that. They just try the best they can.

The movement and speed things are something I can't comment on.
 
...That is really, really problematic. Honestly, the entire idea that the Green Lantern Corps covers all of the universe with only 3600 or 7200 space cops is really problematic.

There are at least two trillion galaxies in the observable universe. Each sector would therefore have roughly half a billion galaxies each. For reference, think about the number of grains of sand in a thousand-ton mountain of sand.

Each galaxy has billions of stars. Many of those stars have something interesting going on in them. Many of them are in trouble at any one time.

There should always, always be a virtually uncountable number of things going on that urgently require Hal Jordan's attention, somewhere in his sector, and even if he literally teleports from place to place he'd never NOT be busy. For him to spend so much time hanging around Earth dealing with comparatively petty nonsense that does NOT threaten a planet with destruction would be fucking unconscionable.

The Green Lantern Corps works a LOT better if it covers 'only' our galaxy, or our galaxy and a few neighboring ones.
So I've said my opinion on this issue before and it's relevant to reiterate it. If Green Lanterns were just space-cops you would be 100% correct. However they are not space-cops. They're space NATO. Their job is to deal with things that threaten multiple planets at once if not whole galaxies. Most Green Lanterns don't do their jobs to the letter (because naturally they focus on some worlds over others) and someone like Hal staying on Earth for so long is technically doing his job wrong as the Guardians have defined it.

And if we look at the extraterrestrial threats the Green Lantern fights they are all planet-killers and up on power scale (Mogul is Superman with a Deathstar and an army of gladiators, Evil Star is an energy vampire who can spawn off nearly limitless minions and whose opening act was wiping out his own race, all the other emotional corps match up to the Green Lanterns in terms of power and members of the Red, Orange and Yellow Corps have a body count in the billions if not higher, Starbreaker is a Sun-Eater a type of creature that consumes stars regularly, Manhunters are killer robots that brought the population of an entire Sector down to five etc.). Someone blowing up a planet is not a problem that the Green Lanterns are supposed to fix. It's only once we start getting into galactic threats that the Green Lantern corps is supposed to step in and do their job. Everything else is extra.

I actually think having the universe be so impossibly big actually helps excuse a lot of things in the greater context of the DC Universe and why the Green Lanterns don't actually fix the many, many planets that are terrible or why they regularly don't interfere with evil space empires. DC space regularly sucks and if it's small enough for Green Lanterns to fully patrol and cover everything 100% effectively then things like the number of massively abusive space empires that are fairly straight up evil (Sangtee, Psion, Citadel, Controller, Khund, Reach, Warworld, and Dominators bring us to 8 galactic superpowers that are pretty damn evil that the Green Lanterns don't touch. If we get into just races like the Kroloteans and the Durlans which are exmpt by virtue of not being superpowers then the number balloons even higher), the number of blown up or destroyed planets (there are a lot), the number of horrific world ending nightmares that lurk in space (Brainiac, Doomsday, Sun-Eaters, Ash'Ka'Phageus, Blume and more all exist and the Green Lanterns don't touch them) or Green Lanterns abusing their powers to set up dictatorships (there are at least 4 times this occurred while Hal was a Green Lantern) then they look straight up incompetent to ridiculous levels. I think keeping the universe massive actually makes a lot of the Green Lanterns policies and the Guardians super utilitarian mindset actually make a lot more sense.

Lastly if earth weren't routinely important then what Hal does would obviously be unconscionable. Hell, most of the Guardians of the universe hate him for doing what he does. Hal's just lucky that Earth's really damn important (like to the point that the Guardians of the universe give them up to six different Green Lanterns just from Earth in order to deal with the threat there even though they are very big picture) in the grand scheme of the universe so him not doing his job right actually works out for the universe.

I'm also of the opinion that life isn't exactly a common thing in the universe by any stretch of the imagination so the vast majority of planets in DC are utterly lifeless. The number of planets with sentient life is even lower than that and thus reduces things further.
...unless the Oans are claiming a more limited space than the entire Universe. If sectors are billions of light-years across, then the Green Lantern Rings have some absurd flight speeds on them.
Oans are claiming the "known universe" there is stuff beyond what they've claimed they just don't touch it. That being said Green Lantern rings 100% have absurd flight speeds (Humans die of thirst in approximately 10 days, the center of the Milky Way Galaxy is approximately 27,000 lightyears. That means that even by the most extremely conservative standard that Green Lanterns only protect a single galaxy, that means that if a Green Lantern ring took Hal Jordan to Oa and he didn't die on the journey he had to be traveling at least 98,550 times faster than the speed of light).

Absurd travel speeds are kind of necessary or a lot of Green Lantern lore starts breaking down fast.
It's not just the absurd flight speeds- though yes, that should mean that Green Lanterns can effectively teleport across a galaxy given the distances involved.

It's the sheer amount of stuff in such a vast space. It's virtually inconceivable that one or two entities, however powerful, could have any meaningful impact on a region of space containing half a billion galaxies.

Most people would literally never know they exist.
I'd argue they could because of the scale they are operating on. If there is still life in the sector that hasn't been enslaved, conquered or killed then Green Lanterns have had an impact since that's what the trends of the universe would naturally suggest. The meaningful impact is in the fact that life as a whole is increasing and multiplying (the universe's population is generally going up thanks to the Green Lanterns). That is their main positive contribution.
I don't think the Oans patrol the entire universe at all. I think those 3600 are the "known universe" correct? Though I suppose that given their technological level the Guardians could know the whole universe. Besides that there are many places they don't patrol. They have an agreement not to patrol the Reach's territory and presumably any sectors that they control. Then there are sectors I also know that overall the Green Lanterns really don't deal with. Places like Sector 666, Sector 3600 and the Vega star system. More than that I think its pretty widely acknowledged that the Green Lantern's numbers are WAY to small for what they are trying to do and that is probably why their few peer opponents haven't banded together to try and stop them permanently.
I very much agree with this. They certainly patrol much more than a handful of galaxies but they don't hit the entire universe and they regularly miss things because of that.
 
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So something I was wondering is how seriously is Lois' grudge against Lexcorp taken?

Like do people genuinely believe her that there's something wrong with Lexcorp despite her never having evidence or is it waved off as her having a grudge about how her first story on Lexcorp had to be retracted?
 
So something I was wondering is how seriously is Lois' grudge against Lexcorp taken?

Like do people genuinely believe her that there's something wrong with Lexcorp despite her never having evidence or is it waved off as her having a grudge about how her first story on Lexcorp had to be retracted?
I like this, should we start to make a rumor that she hates lex because she made a pass at lex and Lex turned her down?
 
So something I was wondering is how seriously is Lois' grudge against Lexcorp taken?

Like do people genuinely believe her that there's something wrong with Lexcorp despite her never having evidence or is it waved off as her having a grudge about how her first story on Lexcorp had to be retracted?
It's her own bias and Woodrue's pheromones doing a number. We could spray her with an antidote once we develop it but I think Questors want to let it continue so when it comes to light we can blame all her negative press in it.

Speaking of which we will need to develop anti-pheromone measures if we want to deal with Bialya as Director Prince warned us.
 
I like this, should we start to make a rumor that she hates lex because she made a pass at lex and Lex turned her down?
Eh, that would be difficult because anyone that knows Lois knows that's not how she does things and she's a very well known reporter

What we could do is make it clear that Lois has always been hostile to Lex and the reason we refuse to work with her is because she accepted the fabrications of one of our most loyal employees former abuser without corroboration and wrote a story on them
It's her own bias and Woodrue's pheromones doing a number. We could spray her with an antidote once we develop it but I think Questors want to let it continue so when it comes to light we can blame all her negative press in it.

Speaking of which we will need to develop anti-pheromone measures if we want to deal with Bialya as Director Prince warned us.
Oh I understand why she feels the way she does, I just mean how seriously does everyone else take her grudge
 
Oans are claiming the "known universe" there is stuff beyond what they've claimed they just don't touch it. That being said Green Lantern rings 100% have absurd flight speeds (Humans die of thirst in approximately 10 days, the center of the Milky Way Galaxy is approximately 27,000 lightyears. That means that even by the most extremely conservative standard that Green Lanterns only protect a single galaxy, that means that if a Green Lantern ring took Hal Jordan to Oa and he didn't die on the journey he had to be traveling at least 98,550 times faster than the speed of light).
Oh, I knew that it was silly levels, but thousands of times the speed of light and billions of times the speed of light... they are not the same.

I like this, should we start to make a rumor that she hates lex because she made a pass at lex and Lex turned her down?
Of course, we wouldn't wish to be seen as responsible for the rumor. It's why it would be good to have a nice little rabid attack dog anti-Superman set of true believers publishing semireliable news stories along with a bunch of opinion pieces. We want someone else to come up with this stuff.

Oh I understand why she feels the way she does, I just mean how seriously does everyone else take her grudge

Worth notign that she doesn't have all that much of a grudge right now. She's still somewhat suspicious, and she doesnt' like us all that much, but she's not strongly motivated against us. Instead she's strongly pro-Superman... which, honestly, is arguably worse.
 
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  • Lucien Luthor (Superboy equivalent): Lucien is Lex's artificial son created via combining Kryptonian DNA. Lucien has superpowers but is ultimately very dependent on his father and follows his will in all things.
  • Lena Luthor (Powergirl/Galatea/Divine equivalent): A little girl and Lex Luthor's masterpiece in cloning kryptonians. Lena is a perfect copy of Supergirl in every way besides the fact that she has red hair. She was proof of concept that Lex could make perfect Kryptonian clones and slightly alter them successfully. She is being monitored for any signs of degradation but has shown none so far. Lena is Lex's favorite weapon and most Cadmus Kryptonian Bioweapons will be based on her going forward.
Lex keeps making half-Superman, half-Lex clones(aren't those just their children at this point?) for his family.

I wonder how things would have turned out if baby Clark got picked up by Lex instead.
 
Worth notign that she doesn't have all that much of a grudge right now. She's still somewhat suspicious, and she doesnt' like us all that much, but she's not strongly motivated against us. Instead she's strongly pro-Superman... which, honestly, is arguably worse.
She doesn't really have a grudge but she is constantly suspicious of us and refuses to believe that we're not up to something

Which considering she's never had any evidence for it probably comes across more as being pissed that we were the cause of her first retraction than genuine journalism
 
So I've said my opinion on this issue before and it's relevant to reiterate it. If Green Lanterns were just space-cops you would be 100% correct. However they are not space-cops. They're space NATO.
Even Space NATO would be impossibly overstretched trying to patrol half a billion galaxies (or even a small fraction of that many) with just 3600-7200 agents.

Suppose the Guardians patrol even one thousandth of the universe visible to us. Then that "half a billion" goes down to "half a million."

Now, I get that the Green Lantern Corps only concerns itself with serial-planet-killing threats, things with, as you note, bodycounts in the billions.

But how often does an active serial-planet-killing threat emerge in any ONE galaxy? A galaxy contains easily a hundred billion or more stars, and that's a lot of room for threats to emerge from. Suppose that even so, within any one galaxy, such threats emerge at a rate of only one a century, which I suspect is grossly optimistic.

With half a million galaxies for any one Green Lantern to patrol... In their patrol sector, 5000 of these once-in-a-century menaces will appear every year. That is an average of something like... I don't know, twelve to fifteen menaces of the sorts Green Lanterns exist to combat, emerging every day.

Which is, to put it mildly, a bit much.

I actually think having the universe be so impossibly big actually helps excuse a lot of things in the greater context of the DC Universe and why the Green Lanterns don't actually fix the many, many planets that are terrible or why they regularly don't interfere with evil space empires. DC space regularly sucks and if it's small enough for Green Lanterns to fully patrol and cover everything 100% effectively then things like the number of massively abusive space empires that are fairly straight up evil (Sangtee, Psion, Citadel, Controller, Khund, Reach, Warworld, and Dominators bring us to 8 galactic superpowers that are pretty damn evil that the Green Lanterns don't touch. If we get into just races like the Kroloteans and the Durlans which are exmpt by virtue of not being superpowers then the number balloons even higher), the number of blown up or destroyed planets (there are a lot), the number of horrific world ending nightmares that lurk in space (Brainiac, Doomsday, Sun-Eaters, Ash'Ka'Phageus, Blume and more all exist and the Green Lanterns don't touch them) or Green Lanterns abusing their powers to set up dictatorships (there are at least 4 times this occurred while Hal was a Green Lantern) then they look straight up incompetent to ridiculous levels. I think keeping the universe massive actually makes a lot of the Green Lanterns policies and the Guardians super utilitarian mindset actually make a lot more sense.
I think it's entirely correct that the Green Lantern Corps needs to be stretched thin to make sense of all the other horrible things happening in space.

But there's "thin" and then there's "farcically thin."

I'm also of the opinion that life isn't exactly a common thing in the universe by any stretch of the imagination so the vast majority of planets in DC are utterly lifeless. The number of planets with sentient life is even lower than that and thus reduces things further.
Yes, but there's "vast majority" as in "99.99% of planets are uninhabited by sentient life" and then there's "vast majority" as in "one inhabited planet per galaxy."

If there was one inhabited planet per galaxy, then maybe the Corps could make at least a vague semblance of an attempt to patrol the universe with Really Fast Ring Flight. Then each Green Lantern would only be keeping track of, say, half a billion entire planets' worth of major cosmic issues simultaneously.

That's still a lot of issues, though... and that's after assuming that 99.999999999% of stars do not harbor sentient life.

The problem here is that words like "most" or "a lot" or "the vast majority" or "very fast" just... don't adequately describe how big the entire universe, or even a small fraction of it, really is.

Oans are claiming the "known universe" there is stuff beyond what they've claimed they just don't touch it. That being said Green Lantern rings 100% have absurd flight speeds (Humans die of thirst in approximately 10 days, the center of the Milky Way Galaxy is approximately 27,000 lightyears. That means that even by the most extremely conservative standard that Green Lanterns only protect a single galaxy, that means that if a Green Lantern ring took Hal Jordan to Oa and he didn't die on the journey he had to be traveling at least 98,550 times faster than the speed of light).

Absurd travel speeds are kind of necessary or a lot of Green Lantern lore starts breaking down fast.
Yes- but even if they have literal teleportation they can only keep track of so much at once.

The bare fact that the Green Lantern Corps can sort of keep up with the emergence rate of new cosmic threats and keep there from being TOO many serial-planet-killing entities roaming their patrolled space puts some kind of upper bound on just how big a space they can be patrolling with only 3600-7200 entities. Even assuming effectively instantaneous intergalactic travel.
 
So question I have, now that the Court of Owls is getting slaughtered by the League, do we want to do anything with Haly's circus? The current options we have are

[ ] Investigate Haly's Circus
DC 22 C.C. Haly refused a generous offer from you which makes you somewhat suspicious of what might be going on especially considering that the circus is somewhat impoverished right now. Something is not adding up and figuring it out could prove interesting.

[ ] Sabotage Haly's Circus
DC 30 C.C. Haly refused a generous offer from you. Making sure his circus suffers and pays for it can ensure that people know better than to refuse you

but I'm thinking now that they are going to be losing their main source of funds, even if only temporarily, they might be more open to our demands offers.

Here is C.C. Haly's thoughts from the last time he tried negotiating with Lex:
Lex Luthor had already moved on to something else entirely and a few guards escorted Cecile out of the building. It was a shame that the deal had fallen through but that was the way things went sometimes. Now he had to search for other ways to secure some funding for his circus while his benefactors were still attempting to punish him for the tragedy with the Graysons. Worst came to worst Haly could always sell the story of Lex Luthor being too moral to fund a circus because of what his daughter would think of him anonymously to an opportunistic reporter to try and make some money. After all the story would reflect far more poorly on his circus then on Luthor's reputation so he was unlikely to attempt to punish Haly for talking about it. Sure the negative publicity would be annoying but his benefactors would eventually ensure that their investment remained safe and secure.

It was miserable and cowardly but Cecile had a way to ensure that Haly's circus stayed a safe place for those within it.
The bolded section is why I don't feel bad about taking advantage of his desperation. He's willing to use us to make money for his circus, only fair that we get our cut of the profits, or just take his whole circus if he can't manage it.
 
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