Lex Sedet In Vertice: A Supervillain in the DCU CK2 quest

What sort of tone should I shoot for with this Quest?

  • Go as crack fueled as you can we want Ambush Bug, Snowflame and Duckseid

    Votes: 30 7.7%
  • Go for something silly but keep a little bit of reason

    Votes: 31 7.9%
  • Adam West Camp

    Votes: 27 6.9%
  • Balanced as all things should be

    Votes: 195 50.0%
  • Mostly serious but not self-involvedly so

    Votes: 73 18.7%
  • Dark and brooding but with light at the end of the tunnel

    Votes: 12 3.1%
  • We're evil and we don't want anyone to be happy

    Votes: 22 5.6%

  • Total voters
    390
  • Poll closed .
Which is why I want their 1st job to be reporting Brain and his cronies to the French Police. After all, upstanding citizens report crimes.

If they ask why we haven't reported before now we can reply with the rhetoeical question of "Would you believe me if i said a brain-in-a-jar and a gorilla were criminally acessing LexTel comms before this?" *points to Blue Boy Scout hovering above Meteopolis*
This is very appealing but there's a complication.

I'm pretty sure the French police will not succeed in capturing the Brotherhood of Evil (the Brain and his gang), because, well... supervillains.

I'm also pretty sure that if they put their minds to it, the Brotherhood of Evil will be able to figure out who ratted them out. What with containing two verifiable supergeniuses, and having succeeded in hacking us in the past.

I'm also also pretty sure, because King told us so, that Garguax, one of the members of the Brotherhood of Evil, has an orbital doom laser.

So as far as I'm concerned, your plan is tabled until we figure out how to carry it out without getting zorched by an orbital doom laser. Sure, Superman would probably smash the doom laser on general principles, but we'd already be dead.

Ehhh, I highly doubt that the French police will be able to do anything about The Brain, mostly because of who he is but also because I don't think we could actually prove he's done anything illegal since we don't even know how he's killing people yet...
Also, this.

In my opinion we should either contact him before he comes to the conclusion that the person that's spying on him is an enemy or just leave him alone
They may not even know we ever spied on them. Our first attempt failed hilariously when our supercomputer tried to call their pet telephone god and died. Our second attempt succeeded and they did not react, which would be unlikely if they knew that we knew, if only because the Brain is quite vulnerable when his physical location is known. Our third attempt failed hilariously when our magician tried to conjure up a link to their pet telephone god and went into a coma for six months.

I'm not saying the Brain has us outclassed in general, but he does have us outclassed in the very significant "has a deity literally on speed dial" and "orbital doom laser" categories.
 
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This is very appealing but there's a complication.

I'm pretty sure the French police will not succeed in capturing the Brotherhood of Evil (the Brain and his gang), because, well... supervillains.

I'm also pretty sure that if they put their minds to it, the Brotherhood of Evil will be able to figure out who ratted them out. What with containing two verifiable supergeniuses, and having succeeded in hacking us in the past.

I'm also also pretty sure, because King told us so, that Garguax, one of the members of the Brotherhood of Evil, has an orbital doom laser.

So as far as I'm concerned, your plan is tabled until we figure out how to carry it out without getting zorched by an orbital doom laser. Sure, Superman would probably smash the doom laser on general principles, but we'd already be dead.

Also, this.

They may not even know we ever spied on them. Our first attempt failed hilariously when our supercomputer tried to call their pet telephone god and died. Our second attempt succeeded and they did not react, which would be unlikely if they knew that we knew, if only because the Brain is quite vulnerable when his physical location is known. Our third attempt failed hilariously when our magician tried to conjure up a link to their pet telephone god and went into a coma for six months.

I'm not saying the Brain has us outclassed in general, but he does have us outclassed in the very significant "has a deity literally on speed dial" and "orbital doom laser" categories.
Actually the point of this is to play the "Corporate Good Guy" to build Co-Op with the twins.

A small act like this is a tiny straw to tip the Doom Patrol's odds of sucess a little higher.

Also since we are reporting this in an European jurisdiction I am hoping this would open up an opportunity for us to gain access to funding & intel into/from Blackhawk Squadron.
 
Actually the point of this is to play the "Corporate Good Guy" to build Co-Op with the twins.
Our major Stewardship commitments next turn are rebuilding the city and finishing the school, so I don't think that's an issue.
They may not even know we ever spied on them.
They do, they just don't care.
"What do you think of the people searching for us?" his ever faithful companion questioned "will they pose a threat to our plans?"

The Brain considered his friends concern before reassuring him.

"If I were to guess I would say that Luthor is fumbling his way through what he knows not of and is closing in on us. The man is clever and powerful but as unknowns we are significantly outside of the realm of what he can expect" The Brain calmly elaborated
 
Guess who has two thumbs and can't accurately predict when things will be finished (Spoilers: it's me).

All of the important character sheet stuff has been updated. Janus and Snowy will be updated later in the week. The actual update is still planned to land at 9:30 pm PST.
 
Our major Stewardship commitments next turn are rebuilding the city and finishing the school, so I don't think that's an issue.
I think we could get away with postponing the school for a turn if we put enough effort into the rebuilding, but then... we don't really need to; S.T.A.R. Labs can wait a turn as long as we're making good use of our time.

We DID promise to put Lex's personal action on "visit Gotham" in one of the next two turns, though, so it's good to know we can put together a couple of strong Stewardship teams that will be able to get the job done in our absence.

This might actually be a good time to buy the Daily Planet, given that with the building wrecked they're probably in bad shape. On the other hand we'd want to just... not do anything with it for a while, which might be hard to resist.

They do, they just don't care.
Ah, I'd forgotten that bit.

Still, my point stands, I would prefer to avoid antagonizing people who can theoretically vaporize us from orbit. We already have at least one such person we are going to antagonize, and Mannheim could probably arrange it given time and effort if he were thinking outside the box even a little. Two is enough.
 
I think we could get away with postponing the school for a turn if we put enough effort into the rebuilding, but then... we don't really need to; S.T.A.R. Labs can wait a turn as long as we're making good use of our time.
I'd like to do STAR Labs as soon as we can and with our new Hero Units we can probably afford to do it next turn while still repairing the city but it can definitely wait, especially if we want to meet with Garrison Slate first to make sure that he doesn't lead an action against us buying it

As for the school it depends on what the new DC is but I doubt Diana would begrudge us taking some time off building it to repair Metropolis
We DID promise to put Lex's personal action on "visit Gotham" in one of the next two turns, though, so it's good to know we can put together a couple of strong Stewardship teams that will be able to get the job done in our absence.
We should probably leave that for as long as we can since Lady Shiva is probably going to be in Gotham as well and we want to keep her there as long as we can
This might actually be a good time to buy the Daily Planet, given that with the building wrecked they're probably in bad shape. On the other hand we'd want to just... not do anything with it for a while, which might be hard to resist
Hmm, on the one hand Lex actually owning the Daily Planet would probably make Clark more likely to take an active interest in him rather than just a background suspicion but on the other hand if we own it and do nothing suspicious with it it might actually make him less suspicious of us

We'll have to wait and see what the new DC is to decide if it's a good idea or not
 
Hmm, on the one hand Lex actually owning the Daily Planet would probably make Clark more likely to take an active interest in him rather than just a background suspicion but on the other hand if we own it and do nothing suspicious with it it might actually make him less suspicious of us
Actually I think if we end up owning the Daily Planet, Lois is going to quit to become a News Blogger for her "Integrity".

I suggest we simply offer to help rebuild the building in return for some non-controlling shares...then we place as much survillence in the building a LexCorp HQ. If they ask why, we just point to the attempted assassination of Lois Lane by an invisible dude. No need to be covert, just openly tell them it's for employee safety.
 
King Crimson said:
Stewardship 24...

Cooperation score with Lex Luthor: 1.2 (Mister Frost holds next to no moral or ethical qualms about anything Lex might do and is quite accepting of his place within the corporate machine. So long as his duties, responsibilities and powers are clearly defined then he is content to follow orders and make money within that framework. Lex has recognized this and as such made use of Mister Frost's unique disposition to maximize how well they work together)
Leland Luthor's Ghost:

"Lex my boy, you have no idea how jealous I am right now. Also, who in tarnation is this 'Robert Frost' the poet? Never heard of him..."

Robert Frost:

"Never heard of him... Should time travel be developed, perhaps I should apply for a position with the company 130 years ago..."

...

Mister Frost has no sympathy for Mick Rory and actively advocates for firing him so that there is no need to pay for a psychiatrist and so that risk is minimized. Mick naturally dislikes the idea of someone advocating for firing all employees with mental health issues that aren't liable to make the company more money
Lex Luthor: "Mr. Frost, are you familiar with something called the ADA? Well, I am; I do not plan to follow your recommendation, lest Ms. Lane find herself dangerously overworked."

More generally, Frost's co-op scores tend to be either very good or terrible with absolutely no middle ground. He's got some of the best overall co-op as measured by "people he has a co-op of 1 or better with," and his "people with co-op of 0.5 or more" is also fairly good. It's ironic that he has stat bonuses for working alone, because he also makes a very good team lead for Stewardship actions, and potentially for Learning as well.

I'd like to do STAR Labs as soon as we can and with our new Hero Units we can probably afford to do it next turn while still repairing the city but it can definitely wait, especially if we want to meet with Garrison Slate first to make sure that he doesn't lead an action against us buying it
The problem is that Lex's personal diplomacy would be useful for that action... but he's not going to be there. We need a strong Diplomacy team for that, since it's an important action and one we really want to succeed well.

Maybe Pamela+Oswald as a basis. Add... Lucy is fairly strong. It's tough though. Diplomacy is not our strong suit, even now.

As for the school it depends on what the new DC is but I doubt Diana would begrudge us taking some time off building it to repair Metropolis
Also, with a strong hero team we have a much better chance of scoring an exploding crit, getting multiple successes, and wrapping up the action. We only promised to start it, like... three turns ago? If we get it finished within the next 2-3 turns I'm pretty sure DOMA will be satisfied.

We should probably leave that for as long as we can since Lady Shiva is probably going to be in Gotham as well and we want to keep her there as long as we can
Uhh.

We promised Ra's al Ghul that we'd do it within six months. It's gotta happen on either Turn 21 or Turn 22. I don't think that can have a very meaningful effect on Lady Shiva's actions either way.

Wait. @King crimson The Enron Scandal is about to hit in the current timeline right?
Historically Enron hit the news in 2001. It's... 1996 or so. Wait until Turn 40 or so.

And King doesn't use real people and companies anyway.

Actually I think if we end up owning the Daily Planet, Lois is going to quit to become a News Blogger for her "Integrity".
True, but would that be such a bad thing?

Besides, Lex buying out the Planet has happened a time or two in canon. Lois generally quits only because Lex starts harassing the employees and ruining the place.

I suggest we simply offer to help rebuild the building in return for some non-controlling shares...then we place as much survillence in the building a LexCorp HQ. If they ask why, we just point to the attempted assassination of Lois Lane by an invisible dude. No need to be covert, just openly tell them it's for employee safety.
Yes. On the other hand, either we'd have a back door into the surveillance system, or we wouldn't. If we did, then Lois or Clark could track it down and pin it on us as an example of us doing something illegal and bad. If we didn't, then what's even the point? It'd just make it harder for us to infiltrate the Planet at some later time if we ever have a reason to.
 
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Just want to throw this idea out there. We take

[ ] Create a specialized lab
DC 34 LexCorp's labs are absolutely state of the art. However as of right now the labs are rather generalized. Constructing specialized labs might make it so that your new discoveries come even faster in certain fields.

and we put:
Robert Frost (Stewardship 24) as the lead, Dr. Moon (Stewardship 15 and coop 1 with Frost), and either Mercy (Stewardship 9 but Coop 1 with Frost and +10 to final score) or Felicity (Stewardship 22 and coop 1.1 with Frost).

The end result may crit and give us lots of points to spend for some good labs (cryo or otherwise), and its something we can put Dr. Moon on that he can actually help with (designing labs) as we no longer have Whisper's corpse for him to study.

edit. I'd be fine with putting Dr. Moon and Karl on this or even Dr. Moon alone, he only needs to roll about 20 to succeed, but I want some kind of coop boost or build up for a new trait.

If my math is right Frost, Moon, and Felicity will be about 63, with Mercy its 48+10=58, before dice rolls.
 
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Just want to throw this idea out there. We take

[ ] Create a specialized lab
DC 34 LexCorp's labs are absolutely state of the art. However as of right now the labs are rather generalized. Constructing specialized labs might make it so that your new discoveries come even faster in certain fields.

and we put:
Robert Frost (Stewardship 24) as the lead, Dr. Moon (Stewardship 15 and coop 1 with Frost), and either Mercy (Stewardship 9 but Coop 1 with Frost and +10 to final score) or Felicity (Stewardship 22 and coop 1.1 with Frost).

The end result may crit and give us lots of points to spend for some good labs (cryo or otherwise), and its something we can put Dr. Moon on that he can actually help with (designing labs) as we no longer have Whisper's corpse for him to study.

edit. I'd be fine with putting Dr. Moon and Karl on this or even Dr. Moon alone, he only needs to roll about 20 to succeed, but I want some kind of coop boost or build up for a new trait.

If my math is right Frost, Moon, and Felicity will be about 63, with Mercy its 48+10=58, before dice rolls.
We may want Felicity on another Stewardship action this turn; she gets along well with the d'Aramis sisters as I recall and we've got a lot else to do. Frost and Moon on a lab makes sense, but I'm a bit unsure about how to square that with possible participation from the users.

Maybe we could put them on a specialized lab that Moon himself would have interest in using (cybernetics is at the conjunction of their interests).

Or we could put Frost and Dr. Dhawan on that particle accelerator action.
 
Wait. @King crimson The Enron Scandal is about to hit in the current timeline right?
It would but the Enron scandal is not relevant to the quest. I don't like using real people and companies that haven't had 50 or so years since their existence. As such things like Enron and Coca-Cola won't be showing up with any relevance.
More generally, Frost's co-op scores tend to be either very good or terrible with absolutely no middle ground. He's got some of the best overall co-op as measured by "people he has a co-op of 1 or better with," and his "people with co-op of 0.5 or more" is also fairly good. It's ironic that he has stat bonuses for working alone, because he also makes a very good team lead for Stewardship actions, and potentially for Learning as well.
One of the things I tried to emphasize with Frost is that no one really likes him despite being able to work well with him. He's an absolute machine when it comes to work and business but an utterly terrible failure at everything outside of that. Literally no one likes him as a person and they can pretty much all agree "he's a weird kind of sociopath or something with no social skills". Thing is he's also really good at what he does and part of not caring means he's willing to just fold and do what others tell him to so long as it's beneficial for him. No one actually likes him and unlike say, Ivo no one would mourn his death.
 
On the other hand, he'll probably have a lot fewer people actively glad that he kicked the bucket. Ivo was mourned by approximately one person.
 
The problem is that Lex's personal diplomacy would be useful for that action... but he's not going to be there. We need a strong Diplomacy team for that, since it's an important action and one we really want to succeed well.

Maybe Pamela+Oswald as a basis. Add... Lucy is fairly strong. It's tough though. Diplomacy is not our strong suit, even now.
Keep in mind that the DC for meeting Slate is only 48, and that was before we saved his employees and technology from being killed/stolen, so a combination of Oswald, Pamela and Lucy would succeed by a good margin and it's not like Skate hates us, he's just worried that if we owned S.T.A.R Labs we'd prioritise profit over science and I think a good success will convince him otherwise

Though on the topic of Diplomacy I have just remembered that we need to meet Saied again soon

Also, with a strong hero team we have a much better chance of scoring an exploding crit, getting multiple successes, and wrapping up the action. We only promised to start it, like... three turns ago? If we get it finished within the next 2-3 turns I'm pretty sure DOMA will be satisfied.
Agreed

Uhh.

We promised Ra's al Ghul that we'd do it within six months. It's gotta happen on either Turn 21 or Turn 22. I don't think that can have a very meaningful effect on Lady Shiva's actions either way.
In the Lady Shiva interlude she said that she was going to America to test someone, almost certainly Bruce Wayne, so I feel like either she is what we're serving as a distraction for her or she's going to be distracting Batman while we distract the public from whatever the League is actually doing

So if we leave going to Gotham until Turn 22 we buy at least three turns before she comes after Cassandra which we can spend boosting her Martial by teaching her how to use weapons, tracking down Richard Dragon and hopefully getting him to instruct her and maybe even learning more about the Sword of Beowulf
 
Though on the topic of Diplomacy I have just remembered that we need to meet Saied again
I was hoping to go meet Saied on Turn 22 with Lex, Rebecca & Cerise for a headstart on making a good impression on Black Adam.

So if we leave going to Gotham until Turn 22 we buy at least three turns before she comes after Cassandra which we can spend boosting her Martial by teaching her how to use weapons, tracking down Richard Dragon and hopefully getting him to instruct her and maybe even learning more about the Sword of Beowulf

I prefer heading into Gotham on Turn 21 mostly hoping to prevent Joker from Meeting Harley Quinzel.

Actually I am tempted to bring Cassandra along with us on Turn 22 just to see if Lady Shiva will follow us into Kahndaq or miss Cassandra entirely (roll 2 events into 1).

Or hell leave Cassandra at LexCorp and see how well Lady Shiva breeches our security.
 
I was hoping to go meet Saied on Turn 22 with Lex, Rebecca & Cerise for a headstart on making a good impression on Black Adam.



I prefer heading into Gotham on Turn 21 mostly hoping to prevent Joker from Meeting Harley Quinzel.

Actually I am tempted to bring Cassandra along with us on Turn 22 just to see if Lady Shiva will follow us into Kahndaq or miss Cassandra entirely (roll 2 events into 1).

Or hell leave Cassandra at LexCorp and see how well Lady Shiva breeches our security.
Eh, I've spoken at length about my desire to have Lex and Cassandra go to Azarath on Turn 21 and it's kind of risking disaster to not do everything we can to prepare Cassandra for Lady Shiva
 
Eh, I've spoken at length about my desire to have Lex and Cassandra go to Azarath on Turn 21 and it's kind of risking disaster to not do everything we can to prepare Cassandra for Lady Shiva
Aren't those kind of mutually exclusive? We can't go play magic tourist in Azarath and be training Cassandra intensively in the martial arts at the same time.
 
Eh, I've spoken at length about my desire to have Lex and Cassandra go to Azarath on Turn 21 and it's kind of risking disaster to not do everything we can to prepare Cassandra for Lady Shiva
Aren't those kind of mutually exclusive? We can't go play magic tourist in Azarath and be training Cassandra intensively in the martial arts at the same time.
I also spoke before about meeting Dinah Lance due to low DC 12 and hopefully hiring her and having her meet Richard Dragon.

Also Azarath can be done after Lex personally learns Magic. I want Lex meet Black Adam to inspire Lex to seek The Power of Mazahs.
 
Aren't those kind of mutually exclusive? We can't go play magic tourist in Azarath and be training Cassandra intensively in the martial arts at the same time.
Not really? Lex and Cassandra going to Azarath only takes one turn as does teaching her how to use weapons and we would need to track down and convince Richard Dragon to come work for us before we could have her learn under him and he's one of the few people she can actually learn from
I also spoke before about meeting Dinah Lance due to low DC 12 and hopefully hiring her and having her meet Richard Dragon.

Also Azarath can be done after Lex personally learns Magic. I want Lex meet Black Adam to inspire Lex to seek The Power of Mazahs.
While I agree that we should at some point meet with Dinah I don't believe that she could help Cassandra

Plus Azarath has a time limit, we are fast approaching the point where things go to shit for them and I would argue that Lex has a higher chance of learning magic from a high roll with them than a high roll with Black Adam, and that's assuming that he definitely appears when we meet with Saied
 
Not really? Lex and Cassandra going to Azarath only takes one turn as does teaching her how to use weapons and we would need to track down and convince Richard Dragon to come work for us before we could have her learn under him and he's one of the few people she can actually learn from
I'm pretty sure she could make meaningful progress on 'learn weapons' with people we already have on payroll (e.g. Mercy, Rose, Roxy).

If every turn counts, every turn counts. If we're worried about her being attacked by Lady Shiva within literally a year or less, then Cassandra is much less essential on a trip to Azarath than she is studying up on her fighting skills.

Plus Azarath has a time limit, we are fast approaching the point where things go to shit for them and I would argue that Lex has a higher chance of learning magic from a high roll with them than a high roll with Black Adam, and that's assuming that he definitely appears when we meet with Saied
We can only juggle so many time limits at once. We've got Black Adam coming up, we've got Gotham coming up, we've got Azarath coming up, we've got Cassandra apparently due to be attacked within a year or so. Something's gonna have to give.
 
I'm pretty sure she could make meaningful progress on 'learn weapons' with people we already have on payroll (e.g. Mercy, Rose, Roxy).
She absolutely can, I meant that if we wanted Richard Dragon as her martial arts instructor, since he's one of the few people maybe better than her, it would take us at least two turns to get him, in which time she could go to Azarath and get weapon training from someone else
If every turn counts, every turn counts. If we're worried about her being attacked by Lady Shiva within literally a year or less, then Cassandra is much less essential on a trip to Azarath than she is studying up on her fighting skills.
I would agree although I feel like Cassandra is one of the people who would benefit from going to Azarath the most, in probably getting to befriend Raven, but the amount of immediate options we have to boost her Martial are limited

As far as I can tell the three we have are train her to use weapons, get her an instructor that can actually help teach her and maybe study the Sword of Beowulf some more so that she can use it, all three we can fit in no problem
We can only juggle so many time limits at once. We've got Black Adam coming up, we've got Gotham coming up, we've got Azarath coming up, we've got Cassandra apparently due to be attacked within a year or so. Something's gonna have to give.
I mean, personally I would say that we have time for all of those

All we have to do is put together a decent Diplo team for Saied, go to Gotham on Turn 22, go to Azarath on Turn 21 and have Cassandra learn how to use weapons on Turn 21 and begin learning from Richard Dragon in Turn 23, assuming that we successfully find and recruit him one Turns 21 and 22 respectively
 
Reminder that Superman has entered the picture, which means that we're going to have to deal nemesis actions against him (most likely starting next turn). I advise that anyone who wants to make plans to keep in mind that we will have to reserve one action for a nemesis action + unknown amount of support actions to make sure that the scheme isn't too damaging to us (or, if we are very lucky, actually succeed). As of now, we don't exactly know how hard nemesis actions are going to be and how often they are going to pop up, but it is best to keep in mind that we will have to deal with nemesis actions now.
 
She absolutely can, I meant that if we wanted Richard Dragon as her martial arts instructor, since he's one of the few people maybe better than her, it would take us at least two turns to get him, in which time she could go to Azarath and get weapon training from someone else
Remember that training options don't evaporate- we taught her science and we can still teach her science again at a higher DC.

If we're actually that worried about Lady Shiva, then Cass should spend both of the next two turns studying weapons. Or something. Anything. She doesn't have time for a field trip to make a new friend, this is life and death.

I would agree although I feel like Cassandra is one of the people who would benefit from going to Azarath the most, in probably getting to befriend Raven...
If we're going to Azarath in hopes of recruiting Raven, Cassandra can try to befriend her later.

All we have to do is put together a decent Diplo team for Saied, go to Gotham on Turn 22, go to Azarath on Turn 21 and have Cassandra learn how to use weapons on Turn 21 and begin learning from Richard Dragon in Turn 23, assuming that we successfully find and recruit him one Turns 21 and 22 respectively
Remember that we'll need an Intrigue team to find him, and another Intrigue team to track down Fake Riddler unless we want Nygma to go ape and start doing stupid things.

Unless Batman gets him first, in which case maybe we can contact him in prison? Offer to help him publish a tell-all book revealing that he's not the real Riddler, in exchange for favors to be performed when he gets out of prison? Something like that?

This is getting out of hand fast, and quite frankly I think that trying to go to Azarath in the next two turns, specifically, is a bridge too far. The time to lobby for this was earlier, or on Turn 22-23 when we aren't up to our eyeballs in urgent commitments.

Reminder that Superman has entered the picture, which means that we're going to have to deal nemesis actions against him (most likely starting next turn). I advise that anyone who wants to make plans to keep in mind that we will have to reserve one action for a nemesis action + unknown amount of support actions to make sure that the scheme isn't too damaging to us (or, if we are very lucky, actually succeed). As of now, we don't exactly know how hard nemesis actions are going to be and how often they are going to pop up, but it is best to keep in mind that we will have to deal with nemesis actions now.
Also, this.
 
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