Lex Sedet In Vertice: A Supervillain in the DCU CK2 quest

What sort of tone should I shoot for with this Quest?

  • Go as crack fueled as you can we want Ambush Bug, Snowflame and Duckseid

    Votes: 30 7.7%
  • Go for something silly but keep a little bit of reason

    Votes: 31 7.9%
  • Adam West Camp

    Votes: 27 6.9%
  • Balanced as all things should be

    Votes: 195 50.0%
  • Mostly serious but not self-involvedly so

    Votes: 73 18.7%
  • Dark and brooding but with light at the end of the tunnel

    Votes: 12 3.1%
  • We're evil and we don't want anyone to be happy

    Votes: 22 5.6%

  • Total voters
    390
  • Poll closed .
Vlatava is fine as a location to head to, I just didn't expect it to be the location that would pop up. It makes sense but I wasn't expecting it so seeing it pop up was a nice surprise. We're all good on the canonical front and if anything my comment just meant that even with my massive document on everything in the DCQU (10,000 pages and counting!) and my own observations of player behavior I still couldn't accurately predict the twists and turns of the story you've written. In my mind that's a good thing.

Well then I'm excited. I'll be plumbing the depths of my knowledge on Parisian characters to see if I can guess it going forward.

Yes it is good enough for the 400 exp. I'm a little curious how you made this as it seems that you've cut and transposed lineart from the death of Superman and overlayed it with a copy of the lineart of two lions heads that have been subtly manipulated. It's not a technique I'm familiar with and so I'd like to get some understanding of it.

This is really weird to read for me. From my understanding Lokiquest was inspired by this quest and Semper Ad Meliora. The Grand Tour likewise is inspired by the works of this quest. So seeing them be put together feels really weird. It's a work inspired by a work inspired by my work being combined with another work inspired by my work. It's like the weird as hell grandbaby of this quest and its simultaneously really odd and really humbling to see. It's weird as heck to feel like I'm seeing what are tertiary iterations of inspiration of my own work. Like I've talked a few times about how mind blowing it is for me how successful this quest has gotten and I think this omake kind of brought some of that into the light for me to really see some of the impact I've had.

Now that I've talked a good bit about how this omake made me feel through its very existence I'll get into the omake itself. The basic story is fine although Lorelei being completely outmatched and Mildred getting dropped entirely offscreen feels a little cheap when you aren't familiar with both characters so it feels a bit one sided (I'm not sure who Tyr Kent is supposed to be but considering that I do know the Lorelei and Mildred have taken on some nasty characters the sheer helplessness feels a little weird here with no context to explain why they are so hopelessly outmatched). My other problem with the story is that Lorelei in general feels a little off to me in terms of characterization. Little things like how Lorelei swears, the near complete dismissal of Mildred once she gets dropped and the fact that she declares herself a member of Circe's household (which she is not and makes her appear subordinate to someone which I doubt she would ever willingly do) make her characterization come off as incorrect. Simon might be better then me at pointing out what does and doesn't work but it definitely feels like Lorelei is mischaracterized here (at least to me). However these issues are not enough to prevent me from awarding you 400 exp for a non-canon omake (it is close enough for that). Instead it is two other issues that prevent me from doing so.

My biggest issue though is the constant spelling errors and weird turns of phrase that made it far more difficult to read then it should have been.

dumb founded should be dumbfounded

None the less should be nonetheless

fairly certain this should be "certainly being backed into a corner" or "certainly backed against the wall"

This is all weirdly phrased and harder to parse then it needs to be. It can easily be simplified to "the only respite was that her adversary had once more stopped using the gun in his hand"

This just came off as an odd line. Lorelei is American and British arms at the time were certainly not anything particularly unique to warrant a comparison to a magic gun. The most famous guns of the era ended up being German, American or Russian so this line is just really bizarre. Why British guns?

There lied means that in that place somthing was a falsehood. It should be lay instead. Then should be than. They're (they are) should be their.

peaked should be peeked

The Holy Grail should wither have both words capitalized or none and it should be an item rather than a item (use an if the word after begins in a vowel). Also sidenote the Holy Grail is a weird item for Circe to go after but whatever

awkward phrasing, probably should be "if she had" instead

This bit is kind of unintelligible as it says that both the foe took out Mildred and that an assitant to Lorelei's foe took out Mildred. The repetition of the word foe should probably be cut down so that the odd ambiguity is removed. Secondly "to her foe" should be "of her foe" due to perspective and switching between active and passive states. You can be the assistant to someone (focused inwards and is active) while your friend is the assistant of someone (focused outwards and is a passive state of existence). Lastly "out do" should be "outdo".

Should be attempts at

filled

should be on that pedestal if the Holy Grail is not literally inside the pedestal

Nothing wrong with the line besides how incredibly modern it is to be coming out of a character who was born before the second World War. You could just simplify it to daily and it would work out better.

Something's wrong with the pronouns here. The simplest solution would be to change it to "before he lowered his gun"

Odd phrasing although I don't think that there is technically anything wrong with it but you might want to revise it a bit

shouldn't be capitalized and should be spelled buffoon.

Deep sated is unintelligible I think you mean deep seated

This is weird because you shift how Lorelei refers to herself within the same sentence making it seem as though they are different things (the way this is written "the Luthor" comes off as being independent of "her" which is not correct).

The apprentice's gender (who was previously referred to as an assistant which made it confusing to know if they were the same character) seems to switch gender as previously they are referred to as a young girl and here it is stated that the apprentice got up from his sitting position. I'm fairly sure this is an error although I don't know the character so the gender switching might be a thing you did intentionally.

May should be might

Need a comma between blood and bones

The shifts from a third person to a third person perspective mid-paragraph without any transition felt stilted and awkward and only added to the difficulty in parsing what was going on. I think you ought to try and reformat it a little to make it more distinct when the omake switches from a third to first person perspective and back again so rapidly.

As such due to these two issues primarily the many odd spelling errors and word choice (along side some odd internal inconsistency) I cannot award exp for this omake. However if you clean it up a bit I'll happily give it another pass and rereview it.
To be honest was more a personal joke omake then not and your right getting out matched was cheap though intended for it to be the initial trade off to really get the bad llblood brewing in which cas if i rver did continue this it would be time for her to cometwly overwhelm Tyr. Sorry about the grammar and such was getting rather late where I was which is also why this response took so long. I'll fix it up when I get the time, points are my necessary since this is technically just a play off Simon Jester.

If this is meant to be 'my' Lorelei Luthor, the one from The Grand Tour... Uh, you do realize that Lorelei Luthor lived during World War Two, right? She was born in the early 1910s and died, uh... that should actually be up to @King crimson but she's dead as of game start in the '90s. I imagine her dying some time around Lex's tenth birthday.

I can't comment as to whether she ever learned any magic (if so, it was after 1938). She is quite familiar with repeating firearms. Millie carries several.

Also, they're/their.

...I would be very surprised if Circe would try to induce Lorelei to go looking for the Holy Grail and she would be an absolutely terrible choice to send searching for it if you knew anything about the Grail lore.

With that said, getting into spear range of Mildred is probably a good idea. She was a competent pistolera, a good martial artist, and one of the deadliest sharpshooters of the WWII era... but armed combat with large hand to hand weapons was not her strong suit and would probably be the easiest way to defeat her if you could get into range before she blows a few new orifices through you.

She would also have tactfully broken off any association with Circe before reaching a point where she would identify herself that way. One of the defining traits of Lorelei Luthor's personality is that she is very much a free spirit- she's not going to subordinate herself to a hierarchy and she doesn't really even want to operate within one, which is why she took the time and effort to reduce the otherwise fairly competent Leonidas Luthor (her brother) to enough of a puppet that she could control the resources of Luthor Industries when she felt the need, without getting bogged down running the thing.

Which is, in turn, why she's free to spend a year or two wandering Europe on the eve of World War Two.

Having not read Loki Quest, I just found the whole thing... odd.

The personality differences between Lorelei and Loki make it shaky; I haven't had time to flesh out Lorelei as a character as fully as Leland, so it may have seemed natural to you to just arbitrarily grab her and slot her in in the place of a different character who does things for very different reasons.

Again, be realistic; Mari's powers can only accomplish so much. If she's already at Martial 36 then further upgrades to her powers are likely to achieve minimal results. Alternatively, and this seems rather likely, the powers of metahumans at Superman's tier come in large part from traits.

For me, it's frustrating to imagine characters getting stats that are ramped up beyond the limits of their character archetype without any corresponding evolution. A big part of the reason I've spent my big piles of XP on omakes and Lex's noncombat stats was precisely to avoid that.

In a situation where we need some metahumans to fight, having Mari be strong would actually make sense and be nice. I'd just stop investing at like Martial 30 or something, because realistically when she's fighting, she's not going to be fighting alone without supports and 30 is pretty strong.

I may want to consult with you a bit about late 1930s Vlatava to see if there's anything I should know; that can wait.

Well, I'd actually be using two sets of characters- one set from real life on the social side, and at least one character who's quite free to travel.

[hugs]

Mildred in her prime is on the same general tier of Martial/Intrigue as her great-niece Mercy fifty years later. Mildred has a trait associated with rifle markswomanship and is very good in that specific field; as I alluded to earlier, if she were in the Red Army as a sniper she'd have been a serious contender for one of the deadliest snipers of the war. However, by sheer coincidence the author who decided to knock her out of the action almost immediately off-screen DID pick probably the best possible way to do so- somehow ambush her at very close range and start smacking her around with a large melee weapon.

She's good enough at judo and savate that she'd probably be able to handle herself in an unarmed close-range fight or against an ordinary attacker with a knife, but someone who uses a spear very effectively would be tough for her and she might plausibly be wounded and put out of action.

The part that's most out of character here is that Lorelei is kind of... a bit panicked and seeming to grasp at straws in a way that I don't think she would, even staring down a gun barrel. Aand that she seems to kind of think of herself in a subordinate role to Circe, which isn't really... her. I could imagine it if Circe had managed to put a spell on her, but, well. She's got enough willpower (differently specced than Lex but approaching Game Start Lex in terms of talent) that she'd be very difficult to ensorcel, especially on long detached missions. Fairly likely to break out from under mind control.

I think it's because Lorelei is just being straight-up plugged into place as a replacement for another character from a completely different scene and setting. It's as if we had Mercy and Rose going to retrieve an item from some random thieves who'd stolen it from us and they abruptly started quoting the dialogue from the famous scene in Pulp Fiction where Jules and Vincent go retrieve the briefcase.

It'd be kind of hilarious to have Mercy and Rose talking shit like that, but quite out of character. And in my case I haven't read the original source material from the Loki Quest. So it's just confusing, as if I hadn't seen Pulp Fiction and were thinking "yes, I can imagine Mercy and Rose going in like badass hitwomen and doing those things, but why are they behaving the way they do while doing it?"

[I once got good mileage repurposing that Pulp Fiction scene as a space battle of all things; long story. :D ]

Not gonna lie, that was... an issue for me.

I think @DreamCWeaver somehow got the idea that Lorelei is unfamiliar with multiple-shot firearms or something? Not sure.

[Also, oddly, Mildred's main personal defense weapon for situations where combat is reasonably likely but specialized weapons aren't likely to be needed IS a British gun. Specifically, a British Lee-Enfield bolt-action rifle, such as was used by the British Army during both World Wars. It's very well suited for making fast, precise shots. She also typically carries a Colt .45 automatic handgun, and occasionally something fancy depending on the situation.]
Honestly this was more just a joke omake then intended to be taken seriously an d it's cause the elements from your Lorelei had found on really lined up with Lokiquest and some things going on behind the scenes. behind the scenes. Also it seems I misjudged the time period an d other factors so I'll spruce or up later.

I'll try to get the part played closer next time [if there is a next time] . Hopefully when it's not 2am for me.
 
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To be honest was more a personal joke omake then not and your right getting out matched was cheap though intended for it to be the initial trade off to really get the bad llblood brewing in which cas if i rver did continue this it would be time for her to cometwly overwhelm Tyr. Sorry about the grammar and such was getting rather late where I was which is also why this response took so long. I'll fix it up when I get the time, points are my necessary since this is technically just a play off Simon Jester.
Did your grammar get worse after you woke up, bro?
🤣
(Early morning bantz be like this.)
 
Yes, honestly I haven't even eaten yet. It's been half an hour and I already miss the night. Also typing it on mobile is another factor.
Ah, mobile keypad be like that.
Go have some healthy breakfast, your sleep schedule is already fked up.
Don't want you to be hungry now. An insomniac Dream is enough for me.
 
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That does make sense. Speaking of the dead I remember in the cartoon Trigon resurrected Slade can he do that in the comics was that cartoon only
In the comics Slade himself has a power to regenerate from anything, even injured tissue, brain cells (nerves), missing limbs and organs.
(the idea that his healing factor is somehow "light" comes more so from Other Media, rather than the comics themselves)
 
Yes it is good enough for the 400 exp. I'm a little curious how you made this as it seems that you've cut and transposed lineart from the death of Superman and overlayed it with a copy of the lineart of two lions heads that have been subtly manipulated.

It's essentially photoshop or a knockoff photoshop equivalent. A mixture of layers, filter manipulation, and perspective changes. The lion heads were the hardest part, mainly the second head.
 
To be honest was more a personal joke omake then not and your right getting out matched was cheap though intended for it to be the initial trade off to really get the bad llblood brewing in which cas if i rver did continue this it would be time for her to cometwly overwhelm Tyr. Sorry about the grammar and such was getting rather late where I was which is also why this response took so long. I'll fix it up when I get the time, points are my necessary since this is technically just a play off Simon Jester.

Honestly this was more just a joke omake then intended to be taken seriously an d it's cause the elements from your Lorelei had found on really lined up with Lokiquest and some things going on behind the scenes. behind the scenes. Also it seems I misjudged the time period an d other factors so I'll spruce or up later.
I'm actually feeling a bit ill-used about this.

Because you just "couldn't resist" playing games with the characterization of characters I'm planning to use in future stories, all to make a joke.

And, well... I'm not even finding it all that funny EXCEPT, apparently, as a memetic reference to this other quest I don't play in. It's a joke that only works as a reference to this other thing. Otherwise it just comes across as " @DreamCWeaver humiliates and degrades one of @Simon_Jester 's characters."

...

I've put a lot of time and effort into my stories, cumulatively, and having someone abruptly derail them to meme about something semi-related because they "just couldn't resist" bothers me.

It also bothers me that apparently you couldn't be troubled to communicate with me about any of this in the time it took them to write a few thousands words.

It would never have crossed my mind to treat your story characters like this, I'll just say that much.
 
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I'm actually feeling a bit ill-used about this.

Because you just "couldn't resist" playing games with the characterization of characters I'm planning to use in future stories, all to make a joke.

And, well... I'm not even finding it all that funny EXCEPT, apparently, as a memetic reference to this other quest I don't play in. It's a joke that only works as a reference to this other thing. Otherwise it just comes across as " @DreamCWeaver humiliates and degrades one of @Simon_Jester 's characters."

...

I've put a lot of time and effort into my stories, cumulatively, and having someone abruptly derail them to meme about something semi-related because they "just couldn't resist" bothers me.

It also bothers me that apparently you couldn't be troubled to communicate with me about any of this in the time it took them to write a few thousands words.

It would never have crossed my mind to treat your story characters like this, I'll just say that much.
...... Fam, Chill.

At no point whatsoever was YOUR character "humiliated".

Going against a dude with a gun that is the/a Devil, and just getting shot in the leg is not humiliation... like nowhere near it.

And, fair point you spend hours every day working on omake skipping on IRL work, and Dream's little joke might have hurt you. But he meant no disrespect.

I agree he should have contacted you and well, get your permission to use YOUR character, but honestly, he saw a joke coming and was so ecstatic to take it that he missed contacting you. You could have sent him a PM telling him how "not cool" you were with his work or explained to him how bothered you were.... He could have retracted the omake or made some changes to it. But you publically humiliate him by calling him out and saying that he derailed YOUR Quest.

Look, man, Dream is sorry for that joke. He won't joke about YOUR character anymore.
 
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...... Fam, Chill.

At no point whatsoever was YOUR character "humiliated".

Going against a dude with a gun that is the/a Devil, and just getting shot in the leg is not humiliation... like nowhere near it.
Exactly how was I supposed to know that this was, quote, "a dude with a gun that is the Devil?" Remember, one of my core points here has been that I don't follow LokiQuest, don't recognize any of this stuff, and aside from the revolver being called 'Mephy' and it being vaguely implied that it has a mind of its own, well... I don't have a lot to go on here.

[Also, it is perfectly possible to get humiliated at the bottom of a power disparity. If a regular guy gets into a fistfight with Superman and it ends with the regular guy getting a wedgie and being hung from a flagpole three stories off the ground, that guy just got humiliated, even if he spoke and acted bravely throughout and even though he clearly never had a chance in that fight.]

And, fair point you spend hours every day working on omake skipping on IRL work, and Dream's little joke might have hurt you. But he meant no disrespect.
I accept that @DreamCWeaver had no bad intentions, and indeed no intentions of any kind beyond "this would make a cool meme-joke that riffs off this other vaguely related quest."

I am fully prepared to work with @DreamCWeaver in a constructive way in the future. He has not gotten any permanent enmity or grumpiness from me about this. Well maybe tiny trace residual bits of grumpiness, but I'll get over it.

[By the way, I usually don't skip IRL work to write; I work on omakes at times when I'd be too burned out to do anything resembling IRL work.]

I agree he should have contacted you and well, get your permission to use YOUR character, but honestly, he saw a joke coming and was so ecstatic to take it that he missed contacting you. You could have sent him a PM telling him how "not cool" you were with his work or explained to him how bothered you were.... He could have retracted the omake or made some changes to it. But you publically humiliate him by calling him out and saying that he derailed YOUR Quest.
Not my quest, my storyline.

With that said... publishing an omake is public. A lot of people are going to see it. Things are already public at that point. A standard of "people cross the line in public, but only get told they are crossing the line in private" tends to encourage people to cross the line, because it looks like no one has a problem with it in public; the people who perform such actions are not visibly being criticized or told that they've made a mistake.

Look, man, Dream is sorry for that joke. He won't joke about YOUR character anymore.

Now I have to deal with a depressed kid.
@DreamCWeaver

As I have already said, there are some things I would like to ask that you not do without consulting someone, out of politeness and because you wouldn't like it if other people did them towards you. We've already covered that.

But none of that actually cashes out as "YOU ARE A BAD PERSON AND SHOULD FEEL BAD ABOUT YOURSELF." If you are, as @Sanas22 says, "a kid," then you are still on the nasty side of the learning curve, and I sympathize with that. I would have happily collaborated with you on making this joke work. Hell, I'll still collaborate with you on making this joke work- work as a LokiQuest joke AND work as a scene Mildred and Lorelei are participating in- at a later time if you like.

Like, for serious. Give me some time to develop my own character (who is still a work in progress) a bit and I'll come back to this and we can work together on that.

OK?
 
But none of that actually cashes out as "YOU ARE A BAD PERSON AND SHOULD FEEL BAD ABOUT YOURSELF." If you are, as @Sanas22 says, "a kid," then you are still on the nasty side of the learning curve, and I sympathize with that. I would have happily collaborated with you on making this joke work. Hell, I'll still collaborate with you on making this joke work- work as a LokiQuest joke AND work as a scene Mildred and Lorelei are participating in- at a later time if you like.
Not a 'Kid' kid. It was a way of speaking.
Boy, he wasn't happy with that line.

Edit: He ain't happy with me responding above either. Guess, I jumped the gun there. Guess all this Sunday boredom is no good for me. Hmm, I shall challenge myself and draw Cassandra and Jinx.
 
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@DreamCWeaver

I apologize for any implication that you are immature or a child. I had previously been treating you as I would treat a full adult, and have every intention of continuing to do so.

My offer to collaborate on the terms stated stands.
 
I desire only a combination of understanding, courtesy, and chill. I dropped chill temporarily when I felt non-understanding and non-courtesy in the works.
 
...... Fam, Chill.

At no point whatsoever was YOUR character "humiliated".

Going against a dude with a gun that is the/a Devil, and just getting shot in the leg is not humiliation... like nowhere near it.

And, fair point you spend hours every day working on omake skipping on IRL work, and Dream's little joke might have hurt you. But he meant no disrespect.

I agree he should have contacted you and well, get your permission to use YOUR character, but honestly, he saw a joke coming and was so ecstatic to take it that he missed contacting you. You could have sent him a PM telling him how "not cool" you were with his work or explained to him how bothered you were.... He could have retracted the omake or made some changes to it. But you publically humiliate him by calling him out and saying that he derailed YOUR Quest.

Look, man, Dream is sorry for that joke. He won't joke about YOUR character anymore.
Not a 'Kid' kid. It was a way of speaking.
Boy, he wasn't happy with that line.

Edit: He ain't happy with me responding above either. Guess, I jumped the gun there. Guess all this Sunday boredom is no good for me. Hmm, I shall challenge myself and draw Cassandra and Jinx.

I come home from work to find this emotional mess. Dream and Sanas are normally polite and duteous, but the apartment is silent right now. Fucking quests and your drama.
 
I desire only a combination of understanding, courtesy, and chill. I dropped chill temporarily when I felt non-understanding and non-courtesy in the works.

You are making an admirable effort to be kind and polite to others but unfortunately you are coming off as both pretentious and slightly condescending.
Best to let the matter rest.
 
@Kufufu

PMing you regarding juxtaposition of your current post and your previous posts, as an attempt to de-escalate.

I come home from work to find this emotional mess. Dream and Sanas are normally polite and duteous, but the apartment is silent right now. Fucking quests and your drama.
For whatever it's worth, I regret that @DreamCWeaver and @Sanas22 are lastingly upset about this, and don't have any ill-will towards either of them. I have no intention of pursuing the matter further, other the offer I've already mentioned.
 
I'm actually feeling a bit ill-used about this.

Because you just "couldn't resist" playing games with the characterization of characters I'm planning to use in future stories, all to make a joke.

And, well... I'm not even finding it all that funny EXCEPT, apparently, as a memetic reference to this other quest I don't play in. It's a joke that only works as a reference to this other thing. Otherwise it just comes across as " @DreamCWeaver humiliates and degrades one of @Simon_Jester 's characters."

...

I've put a lot of time and effort into my stories, cumulatively, and having someone abruptly derail them to meme about something semi-related because they "just couldn't resist" bothers me.

It also bothers me that apparently you couldn't be troubled to communicate with me about any of this in the time it took them to write a few thousands words.

It would never have crossed my mind to treat your story characters like this, I'll just say that much.
Sips from tea, before quickly discarding it noticing that the tea had been absorbed by salt.
I'll address this in a second, but just wanna say, if you ever did use a character I made in your own post, unless you did it purely for spite I'd be fine. There's more fun with more writers.

...... Fam, Chill.

At no point whatsoever was YOUR character "humiliated".

Going against a dude with a gun that is the/a Devil, and just getting shot in the leg is not humiliation... like nowhere near it.

And, fair point you spend hours every day working on omake skipping on IRL work, and Dream's little joke might have hurt you. But he meant no disrespect.

I agree he should have contacted you and well, get your permission to use YOUR character, but honestly, he saw a joke coming and was so ecstatic to take it that he missed contacting you. You could have sent him a PM telling him how "not cool" you were with his work or explained to him how bothered you were.... He could have retracted the omake or made some changes to it. But you publically humiliate him by calling him out and saying that he derailed YOUR Quest.

Look, man, Dream is sorry for that joke. He won't joke about YOUR character anymore.
I would like to publicly state that I in know way know of this Sanas22 character, nor his intents. Glances down I'd also like to publicly state that there is no gun pointed at my head by Sanas22, and that I do this of my own volition. I also hold an announcement for Giga about an earlier question. It is, in fact, not gay to fist your bros.

Exactly how was I supposed to know that this was, quote, "a dude with a gun that is the Devil?" Remember, one of my core points here has been that I don't follow LokiQuest, don't recognize any of this stuff, and aside from the revolver being called 'Mephy' and it being vaguely implied that it has a mind of its own, well... I don't have a lot to go on here.

[Also, it is perfectly possible to get humiliated at the bottom of a power disparity. If a regular guy gets into a fistfight with Superman and it ends with the regular guy getting a wedgie and being hung from a flagpole three stories off the ground, that guy just got humiliated, even if he spoke and acted bravely throughout and even though he clearly never had a chance in that fight.]

I accept that @DreamCWeaver had no bad intentions, and indeed no intentions of any kind beyond "this would make a cool meme-joke that riffs off this other vaguely related quest."

I am fully prepared to work with @DreamCWeaver in a constructive way in the future. He has not gotten any permanent enmity or grumpiness from me about this. Well maybe tiny trace residual bits of grumpiness, but I'll get over it.

[By the way, I usually don't skip IRL work to write; I work on omakes at times when I'd be too burned out to do anything resembling IRL work.]

Not my quest, my storyline.

With that said... publishing an omake is public. A lot of people are going to see it. Things are already public at that point. A standard of "people cross the line in public, but only get told they are crossing the line in private" tends to encourage people to cross the line, because it looks like no one has a problem with it in public; the people who perform such actions are not visibly being criticized or told that they've made a mistake.

@DreamCWeaver

As I have already said, there are some things I would like to ask that you not do without consulting someone, out of politeness and because you wouldn't like it if other people did them towards you. We've already covered that.

But none of that actually cashes out as "YOU ARE A BAD PERSON AND SHOULD FEEL BAD ABOUT YOURSELF." If you are, as @Sanas22 says, "a kid," then you are still on the nasty side of the learning curve, and I sympathize with that. I would have happily collaborated with you on making this joke work. Hell, I'll still collaborate with you on making this joke work- work as a LokiQuest joke AND work as a scene Mildred and Lorelei are participating in- at a later time if you like.

Like, for serious. Give me some time to develop my own character (who is still a work in progress) a bit and I'll come back to this and we can work together on that.

OK?
Honestly, this was 100% just a thing I did when I was sleep deprived, and I'd have waited until I had rest but the other LokiQuest goers pushed for me to do it. I saw it less as an actual problem because at the end of the day I was just using the names provided and this ended up more of how it would have happened with Lorelei and Tyr. Also even had I not been sleep deprived, I can understand holding frustrations if I completely planned on dunking on your character, but that was just...rude how you responded, even after I explained myself. Thus the response above is done without any respect or niceties as to mimic the response you gave me.

As a result, while I may have enjoyed a collab previously, and even would've edited it to do Lorelei Luthor more justice, I can't in good conscious do so.
Alas, I Tyr of this debacle and-

I come home from work to find this emotional mess. Dream and Sanas are normally polite and duteous, but the apartment is silent right now. Fucking quests and your drama.
Giga, it's okay, I know your legs may be sore, but Sanas's poor excuse of a shitpost has confirmed to me that fisting your bros is not gay. You and Sanas can go to your room and make sure the apartment isn't quiet anymore. Also you could stop lumping me in with that sad excuse of a shitposter that is He who shall not be named.

I hope I illuminated some discrepancies with this post. Also don't worry about Sanas and Giga we're all chill. And Giga works in a lube factory so those two will be fine.
 
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Crime-fighting Luthor, it makes sense
Crime-fighting Luthor, it makes sense~~~

Not all of them are overthetopvillain, it can haapeen~~~
(Lyrics don't agree here, I concur. If you have better words pls do tell.)


All of this was inspired by this.
P.S Yes, I am kinda linking Cassandra's Batgirl image here (Edit: In my mind). But that was all for the title inspiration.
 
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(Lyrics don't agree here, I concur. If you have better words pls do tell.)
Preteen Ninja Luthor Heiress, to the tune of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles?

On a barely related note, having finally gotten around to watching Birds of Prey, it occurred to me that there's entirely too many rich kids getting raised by ninjas in the DC universe. It's nice to balance the accounts here a little by having a ninja kid get raised by a rich person.
 
Preteen Ninja Luthor Heiress, to the tune of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles?

On a barely related note, having finally gotten around to watching Birds of Prey, it occurred to me that there's entirely too many rich kids getting raised by ninjas in the DC universe. It's nice to balance the accounts here a little by having a ninja kid get raised by a rich person.
Hmm... It could, but the thing is that Lucifer clip inspired me to draw Cass. I kinda don't want to change that tune, as it was that tune that led to the sketch. I shall take your lyrics into consideration, thank you very much.

True, does Damien count as a ninja kid being raised by a rich person?
 
Non-Canon omake: Lex Luthor in the MCU Pt.2
Lex in the MCU Pt. 2


Roxy Rocket...is having a blast. Literally in some ways. She was skeptical when Lex told her about an alien invasion, but when she arrived on the battlefield, well...let's just say she could barely contain her excitement. An impossibly wide grin on her face, Roxy flies around on her rideable rocket and blows up Chitauri by the dozens, with her laser guns and missile launchers, courtesy of Lexcorp.

One Chitauri, Two Chitauri, Three Chitauri, Four. One explosion, two explosions, three explosions, more!

All around Roxy are explosions and dead Chitauri as she cackles loudly into the air. She's never felt such exhilaration, experienced such danger (as Chitauri lasers whizz by her head and Chitauri space whales swim past her), and had so much fun!

And things just got funner!

Roxy smirks as out of the corner of her eye she spots him: a handsome man dressed in green and gold, who's clearly leading this alien army. The man looked regal, composed, and best of all....he had on antlers. Antlers, that's what she'd call him.

Closing one eye, Roxy aims and fires, sending a missile flying towards the mischievous god. With apparent ease, Loki or 'Antlers' as she deemed him, catches the missile only inches from his face, and crushes it. He gives her a cocky look, a look of derision but...what he doesn't know...is that she has a rapid fire missile launcher. As soon as Loki gives her the look, a second missile explodes on his person, launching him into the Lexcorp building.

Loki rises to his feet, brushing off the minor explosion, an expression of anger marring his face. Who was this mortal? That dared to strike the god of mischief? That dared to attack him?

He gets his answer soon enough as Roxy takes it upon herself to ride in after him. Despite Loki being faster, stronger, quicker, and longer lived (and thus better trained), Roxy runs circles around him. Like a kid at a playground, Roxy rides around him in circles, pelting him with lasers and explosives that surprisingly hurts him. After the fifth or sixth injury he sustains, small holes being blown into him, and explosive fireballs singing his skin and his armor, Loki cannot help but to express himself.

"Cease this mortal! How are your midgardian weapons hurting me? A god!" Antlers bellows. Roxy only winks and sticks her tongue out as she retorts.

"Lexcorp, silly!" She barely manages to squeal out as she continues riding in circle around the Asgardian. The next few attacks come and Loki learns, shielding himself with his cape and his hand. The other hand comes around, scepter and all, and blasts Roxy off of her rocket, as said rocket goes flying out of the open window.

Roxy lands with a thud and a groan of pain as Loki slowly approaches her.

"Tell me mortal, did you really think you could best me? With your...midgardian weapons and your contraptions? You are nothing but an insolent whelp, and I am of Asgard!" Loki taunts as he stands over her, scepter pointed in her direction. The scepter begins to glow and he smirks...though it quickly transforms into a sneer. "You never had a chance against me, you dull beast! I am a god! Now say your last words, for I shall relay them to your allies." Loki demands.

Roxy's eyes widen as she sees her rocket make a u-turn and come back through the window at a rapid pace. She glances back at Loki and gives a weak smile.

"Uh...look out?" She says with a bit of a shrug as she braces for impact. Loki furrows his brow in his confusion, before turning around to face whatever his enemy has warned him about. He doesn't have enough time however and...

BOOM!

The rideable rocket crashes into him, triggering an explosion that's large enough to shake the entire city.


Roxy peaks up from between her hands and is surprisingly unharmed. She blinks in shock a couple of time before remembering.

"Oh yeah, wards. Whew!" She gets up and sees a charred, smoking Loki, unmoving. Slow and uncertain she approaches him. "Is he?" She feels for a pulse and finds it. A sigh of relief later and Roxy smirks. "Heh, all that talk and my 'mortal weapon' took you out. Puny god." She then gets to her feet and looks out the window. Without her rocket she needed to hitch a ride. Maybe she can hijack one of the Chitauri flyers? They looked like fun!

And so, with that on her mind, Roxy leaps out of the window.




The rest of the battle is a blur, Roxy, taking out the Chitauri from the air, Cassandra closing the portal easily, with Loki's scepter, and the Chitauri being defeated by the combined powers of Lexcorp heroes. Lex himself didn't even have to get involved or dirty his hands...well unless you count shaking hands with Thor.

"Don't worry Odinson, Roxy should be coming by with the cargo." Thor looks unsure.

"Of course, puny human but...cargo?" He asks. Lex nods and smirks. That second, Roxy crash lands with a Chitauri flyer, and Loki lands on the ground, tied up and charred from the explosion from before.

"Whew! Anyone order charbroiled Antlers?" She remarks with a grin. Thor looks at her and then to his brother, uncertain.

"Is..." Roxy waves him off.

"Yeah he's fine. Just a little burned." She rolls her eyes at Loki's groans of pains. "The baby." Loki's sounds of protest are muffled through his restraints. Thor can only sigh.

"Let us go brother." He grabs a hold of Loki as Lex activates the Tesseract. "Luthor, I will tell Father of your offer and speak with him about how you have helped us." Thor nods in Lex's direction.

"Yes, I look forward to a...working relationship with Asgard, and matching minds with the God of Wisdom. Consider the Bifrost...repaired. As a token of our friendship."

"Aye." Thor replies, and then the two are enveloped in a blue portal and taken back to whence they came. Lex Luthor cannot hide his smirk of triumph as he says one final word.

"Excellent."
 
Hmm... It could, but the thing is that Lucifer clip inspired me to draw Cass. I kinda don't want to change that tune, as it was that tune that led to the sketch. I shall take your lyrics into consideration, thank you very much.

True, does Damien count as a ninja kid being raised by a rich person?
Sorry, I completely misunderstood what you were asking.

There isn't a lot of material to work with in the original, and what there is was already solid gold. You could do a The Lady Doth Protest Too Much thing, like "definitely good" or "totes not a villain"?

I'm not sure Damien qualifies, since his dad is still a ninja, but he might still be the closest candidate. It's not quite the same, but the adopted aliens might be closer to Cassandra's life experience.
 
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Non-Canon omake: Certain as the Sun Will Rise
Omake: "As Certain As The Sun Will Rise"


In a damp evening of Metropolis, as the last white collar workers file out of the building onto their commute home, a window remains brightly illuminated, its occupant doubtlessly still hard at work. At the entrance a sharp looking woman, looking no older than her 30s but displaying confidence normally earned through a lifetime of experience, returns from her errand, strutting past the leaving workers and up the stairs to that office. Her approach through the warmly lite hallway has her read the familiar golden plaque on the expensive door: "Johnson & Johnson". She spares only a courteous knock for the sole occupant, before letting herself in. A man, similarly dressed to perfection with a broad and masculine jawline, spares only a courteous glance for his law - and romantic - partner, before returning to his work. In silence she takes a seat next to him and returns to her own endless work. After a half an hour of reading and occasional scribbles, she leans back into her chair and looks at the man.

"Another all nighter for us?" she asks, knowing the answer but also knowing her partner appreciates a thinly veiled opportunity to take a break. He glances at her, and shoots a conspiratorial grin.

"The hardest of cases requires the strongest of wills to push through," he says. He wasn't sure where he pulled that saying from - his partner Karnilla simply stared passively in response, but the line seemed appropriate to the situation, so he gave the mildest of shrugs only his perceptive partner could've noticed.

"You've always been a curious one, Thanos Johnson," the woman remarks, moving her hand to grasp his in a fluid motion. He returns a smile just as fluid and graceful.

"I should be saying that about you, Karnilla," he chuckles with habitually controlled mirth. "You were the one who somehow knew something was going to happen at this Lexpo, and told me to get ready to prepare for a specific case, to represent the clients we did not have yet. How could you possibly be connected enough to predict that?" he asks, putting on the most boyish grin he can muster.

"I have my ways," his wife purrs. Thanos Johnson was neither surprised nor disappointed; he knew that was going to be her answer, but he also knows his lovely wife appreciates such thinly veiled flattery and awe.

"As lovely as she is mysterious", he thinks to himself.

"I can hardly believe the world has come to this, though," he says with a moderate shrug. "To display those exosuits, so openly? So casually?"

"Think about it," he continues. "First we had metahumans so flagrantly using their "gifts". Loose cannons who can play judge, jury, and executioner. Now we have the ultra elite showcasing their "toys" - they're all trying to intimidate the non-powered. Regular humans, like us."

Karnilla's expression did not change as she listened to her husband.

"That's why when you told me what the case against Lexcorp was about, and even who is backing us, well... I agreed completely. It's why I'm working all night, every night, because someone has to do something about this. To bring law and order, before it's too late."

He grew steel in his eyes as he finished. "We're not lacking for money, sweetheart, but if something serious were to happen - if total war breaks out - how could I keep you safe? What is a mere millionaire to someone as wealthy, and seemingly untouchable, as Lex Luthor?" he asks, with practiced seriousness that commands attention.

Thanos Johnson was surprised at his wife's sudden giggle. They've known each other for years; he was a rising star in his field, and they met by what can only be described as a romantic's most improbable scenario. After immediately hitting it off, they eventually got married, but...

In all the time he knew her, that was not at all a reaction he expected from her.

Turning to face Karnilla Johnson, she looked into his eyes silently, not speaking a single word, until she saw that he understood that she commanded his full attention.

"You needn't worry your pretty little head," she whispers, with a gentle squeeze of his hand. "Karnilla will take care of you. Not a single hair on your head can come to harm."

He can only stare transfixed into her eyes, eyes that display no fear, no uncertainty in her words. She believes what she is saying as he believes the sun will rise.

"... How ... can you know this?" he whispers back in awe, still transfixed on his wife.

"I have my ways," his wife purrs. He is left mouth agape as she gracefully stands up. "I have another errand I need to run, sweetie. You can keep at it here while I take care of it, right?"

"... Sure," he manages to spit out. "Sure. Absolutely. See you at home?" he asks, regaining his composure.

"Wouldn't miss it," she says with a sultry nod as she struts out.

Unknown to Thanos Johnson, his regular and defenseless wife walked into a shadow, and teleported.
 
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