Lex Sedet In Vertice: A Supervillain in the DCU CK2 quest

What sort of tone should I shoot for with this Quest?

  • Go as crack fueled as you can we want Ambush Bug, Snowflame and Duckseid

    Votes: 30 7.7%
  • Go for something silly but keep a little bit of reason

    Votes: 31 7.9%
  • Adam West Camp

    Votes: 27 6.9%
  • Balanced as all things should be

    Votes: 195 50.0%
  • Mostly serious but not self-involvedly so

    Votes: 73 18.7%
  • Dark and brooding but with light at the end of the tunnel

    Votes: 12 3.1%
  • We're evil and we don't want anyone to be happy

    Votes: 22 5.6%

  • Total voters
    390
  • Poll closed .
[X] [Topic] Talk to Bruce Wayne about possibly engaging in a more personal collaboration between the two of you and your adopted heirs.
[X] [Topic] Write-in. Talk to Bruce Wayne about his personal opinion on VAA and if Wayne Enterprises intends to recruit their own superheroes.
[X] [Topic] Talk to Bruce Wayne about establishing a defense network against alien invaders

[X] [Plan] Write-in: Offer to pay double what the unknown individual is being offered for Superman dead if they aim to humiliate him in public instead. If you ever need to pay money arrange for perfectly legal transfer of physical money that could be easily intercepted by the unknown individual with necessary information provided through covert and deniable channels.

[X] [Command] Take whatever remains of the Commander's costume and equipment for study and Anonymously leave the Commander in police custody
[X] [Choice] Go and aid everyone fighting Parasite
 
[X] [Command] Secretly take the Commander back to LexCorp to be placed in a secretive holding cell and take whatever remains of the Commander's costume and equipment for study.
[X] [Choice] Go and aid everyone fighting Parasite
[X] [Plan] Attempt to track down the unknown individual's location
[X] [Topic] Write-in. Talk to Bruce Wayne about his personal opinion on VAA and if Wayne Enterprises intends to recruit their own superheroes.
[X] [Topic] Talk to Bruce Wayne about possibly engaging in a more personal collaboration between the two of you and your adopted heirs.
[X] [Topic] Talk to Bruce Wayne about possibly engaging in a more personal collaboration between the two of you and your adopted heirs.
 
[X] [Command] Secretly take the Commander back to LexCorp to be placed in a secretive holding cell and take whatever remains of the Commander's costume and equipment for study.
[X] [Choice] Go and aid everyone fighting Parasite
 
[X] [Topic] Talk to Bruce Wayne about possibly engaging in a more personal collaboration between the two of you and your adopted heirs.
[X] [Topic] Write-in. Talk to Bruce Wayne about his personal opinion on VAA and if Wayne Enterprises intends to recruit their own superheroes.
[X] [Topic] Talk to Bruce Wayne about the current state of Gotham
Mostly want more opportunities for Cass to judge Bruce's character.

[X] [Plan] Covertly offer to pay double what the unknown individual is being offered for Superman dead if they can capture him alive. Also call the top Metropolis police officers to bring them into the mix and outline the covert steps LexCorp's taking to keep Superman alive through this.
If I correctly understood @HavocOrder0999 's idea.

[X] [Plan] Call the Metropolis police to bring them into the mix
I'll also approval vote the standard version.

[X] [Command] Secretly take the Commander back to LexCorp to be placed in a secretive holding cell
[X] [Command] Take whatever remains of the Commander's costume and equipment for study
I assume Leslie's actions did not make too much of a scene, and, anyway, I don't want the guy to explain to the police that the radiohead girl shocked him to submission.

[X] [Choice] Follow Superman and Supergirl covertly in order to spy on them
Carol should try to handle Parasite without too much extra help. Rebecca may not be the best at intrigue, but she's got a good car. If she simply keeps up with the two just enough to see where Supergirl is taking Supes to, that will already be a nice result. Either we find out Supergirl's hideot, Superman's hideout (if he already introduced it to her), or a hint of Zod's presence. And if they are too fast for Rebecca, well, it's not a great loss. Another possibility is Supergirl bringing Clark to a human hospital and mishandling the situation there due to stress.
 
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[X] [Topic] Talk to Bruce Wayne about possibly engaging in a more personal collaboration between the two of you and your adopted heirs.
[X] [Topic] Write-in. Talk to Bruce Wayne about his personal opinion on VAA and if Wayne Enterprises intends to recruit their own superheroes.
[X] [Topic] Talk to Bruce Wayne about the current state of Gotham

[X] [Plan] Covertly offer to pay double what the unknown individual is being offered for Superman dead if they can capture him alive. Also call the top Metropolis police officers to bring them into the mix and outline the covert steps LexCorp's taking to keep Superman alive through this.

[X] [Command] Secretly take the Commander back to LexCorp to be placed in a secretive holding cell and take whatever remains of the Commander's costume and equipment for study.

[X] [Choice] Go and aid everyone fighting Parasite

These are my picks for now, I may switch some later. I'll note that if we capture the Commander, we could give him to Queen Bee later on. Vertigo or Bane may have a use for him as well.
 
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I can't help but feel like any attempt at cooperation with Wayne Enterprises and/or Bruce Wayne are doomed to failure at best and will horribly backfire at most. Especially if they've just done something that will piss of Lex.
It'll be revealed on the results Part 3. All I'll say now is that I was primarily inspired by actual US case law for antitrust and all of the horrible ways people leverage markets at the expense of others.
Could I ask you just to tell us now? Even if only in spoilers for those that want to know?

IC Bruce seems to suspect that Lex should already know about it and if it's that big of a deal it's unlikely that he doesn't and OOC it's just gonna be a sword hanging over our necks for probably the next few months and I really don't want to have to deal with that.
 
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I can't help but feel like any attempt at cooperation with Wayne Enterprises and/or Bruce Wayne are doomed to failure at best and will horribly backfire at most. Especially if they've just done something that will piss of Lex.
That's why I'm cutting the companies out of it with my write in. Instead of contentious business arrangement their board can interfere with or have work differences, it'll likely end up a development action, where the two grown billionaires oversee their adopted children attempt to develop an area.
 
That's why I'm cutting the companies out of it with my write in. Instead of contentious business arrangement their board can interfere with or have work differences, it'll likely end up a development action, where the two grown billionaires oversee their adopted children attempt to develop an area.
Eh maybe but it would still be rather difficult for Lex and Bruce to have an amicable relationship while their companies are actively sabotaging each other. And that's ignoring the Batman side of things.
 
Eh maybe but it would still be rather difficult for Lex and Bruce to have an amicable relationship while their companies are actively sabotaging each other. And that's ignoring the Batman side of things.
Bruce is against what his company did, and this gives him a chance to demonstrate as much. The point isn't to develop an longterm amiable relationship, but to put Bruce and Dick under a microscope of Cassandra's body reading in hopes that they'll be called away to fight crimes a few times during the cooperation, and Cassandra with that information it becomes easier to figure out Bruce and his son are moonlighting as Vigilantes. That and PR of Lex being the better man who doesn't blame Bruce for his boards actions. "It can't be helped that wayne is but one man with only some control of over the company which bears his family name." Plus, ir's a feather in Cassandra's cap.
 
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Bruce is against what his company did, and this gives him a chance to demonstrate as much. The point isn't to develop an longterm amiable relationship, but to put Bruce and Dick under a microscope of Cassandra's body reading in hopes that they'll be called away to fight crimes a few times during the cooperation, and Cassandra with that information it becomes easier to figure out Bruce and his son are moonlighting as Vigilantes. That and PR of Lex being the better man who doesn't blame Bruce for his boards actions. "It can't be helped that wayne is but one man with only some control of over the company which bears his family name." Plus, ir's a feather in Cassandra's cap.
That's fair though I'm kinda hesitant to spend one of Cassandra's development actions on that since uncovering Bruce's identity isn't exactly our number one priority IMO.

Plus I imagine the situation will be made pretty complicated by trying to do that while also screwing over Wayne Enterprises.
 
That's fair though I'm kinda hesitant to spend one of Cassandra's development actions on that since uncovering Bruce's identity isn't exactly our number one priority IMO.

Plus I imagine the situation will be made pretty complicated by trying to do that while also screwing over Wayne Enterprises.
It wouldn't be a wasted action because it will still be a major success in developing an area(stewardship) that she can learn from.

We won't need to get back at Wayne immediately. We can get back at them fairly, improving our chemical production plants to lower the push for pharmaceuticals action DC and then follow up with said action and the D'amaris twins.

That said, maybe it's a bit much to spend lex's time on. I guess I'll switch to defense array.
 
It wouldn't be a wasted action because it will still be a major success in developing an area(stewardship) that she can learn from.
Fair point.
We won't need to get back at Wayne immediately. We can get back at them fairly, improving our chemical production plants to lower the push for pharmaceuticals action DC and then follow up with said action and the D'amaris twins.
True but I'd definitely like at least some immediate revenge.
That said, maybe it's a bit much to spend lex's time on. I guess I'll switch to defense array.
Now that we've discussed it a bit more in detail I actually think something between Cassandra and Dick would be worthwhile so long as it doesn't require Lex himself. Plus I think any defence system that involves Bruce and Wayne Enterprises would be untrustworthy by its very nature.

[X] [Plan] Covertly offer to pay double what the unknown individual is being offered for Superman dead if they can capture him alive. Also call the top Metropolis police officers to bring them into the mix and outline the covert steps LexCorp's taking to keep Superman alive through this.

[X] [Command] Secretly take the Commander back to LexCorp to be placed in a secretive holding cell and take whatever remains of the Commander's costume and equipment for study.

[X] [Choice] Go and aid everyone fighting Parasite
 
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Could I ask you just to tell us now? Even if only in spoilers for those that want to know?
I cannot tell you until the "A Metropolis Welcome" event is over. A big reason why I haven't just said what happened is so that it doesn't skew things too heavily on that event. Once that event is over, then I'm happy to share the information. For now you can content yourself knowing that however bad it was, Bruce immediately set Lois on Wayne Enterprises so that the board faces as much public backlash as possible over this action.

Alternatively, if you really, really want to know I can tell you in PM's but your vote on the "A Metropolis Welcome" event will be discounted and I'll ask you not to talk about what you've learned.
IC Bruce seems to suspect that Lex should already know about it and if it's that big of a deal it's unlikely that he doesn't and OOC it's just gonna be a sword hanging over our necks for probably the next few months and I really don't want to have to deal with that.
The problem is that you've got an event that has to have happened before the board of Wayne Enterprises did whatever they did ("A Metropolis Welcome" happens before). IC Lex should have no knowledge of any of this during that event so I decided to keep it vague enough for now that you can't really bring it up in the event itself.

OOC I can give you the information in PMs and I've already given some hints as to what occurred (Admittedly "inspired by antitrust law" is less useful for people outside of the US. I hope it'll clarify the hint a bit when I say that the equivalent to "antitrust" in the EU is "competition law"). Any more and I feel like I'd be unduly influencing things.

I hope that satisfies you at least a little bit regarding the matter. In hindsight, I probably should have moved "Wax and Wayne" till once "A Metropolis Welcome" ran its course as I kind of couldn't talk too much about or explain how Bruce and Lois ended up in a relationship without at least mentioning it and that was a pretty relevant bit of information for you to learn from that event.
 
They better not be pulling a 'Standard Oil' on us. LexCorp has contracts with the government and military, and Wayne Enterprises wants to kick the beehive.

I'm hoping Lois rolls so well she can find out everything about the connection to the Court of Owls.
 
Alternatively, if you really, really want to know I can tell you in PM's but your vote on the "A Metropolis Welcome" event will be discounted and I'll ask you not to talk about what you've learned.
Sure, I don't feel particularly strongly one way or the other about that vote and hopefully this will soothe my nerves a little bit.

Worst case scenario I can get through my annoyance/frustration sooner.
OOC I can give you the information in PMs and I've already given some hints as to what occurred (Admittedly "inspired by antitrust law" is less useful for people outside of the US. I hope it'll clarify the hint a bit when I say that the equivalent to "antitrust" in the EU is "competition law")
I'm not sure how much you are intending to let slip here but I will say that if we're meant to be able to work it out from these hints they're not great. Don't get me wrong it's better than nothing but knowing that it's connected to a complicated and wide reaching law doesn't really narrow it down much.
They better not be pulling a 'Standard Oil' on us. LexCorp has contracts with the government and military, and Wayne Enterprises wants to kick the beehive.
I highly doubt that that's it. I don't think we have anywhere near enough of a monopoly on anything for them to pull that nor should they have the pull to do it.

Even if they did I don't think Bruce or Lois would be particularly against it.
 
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Sure, I don't feel particularly strongly one way or the other about that vote and hopefully this will soothe my nerves a little bit.

Worst case scenario I can get through my annoyance/frustration sooner.
Cool, I'll send you the PM explaining things in a bit. Just know that I'm putting trust in you not to talk about this with other people to influence the vote.
I'm not sure how much you are intending to let slip here but I will say that if we're meant to be able to work it out from these hints they're not great. Don't get me wrong it's better than nothing but knowing that it's connected to a complicated and wide reaching law doesn't really narrow it down much.
You're not meant to work out what specifically they did so much as you are expected to rule out really crazy stuff like assassination attempts or attacking LexCorp. It's basically meant to limit the scope so that the worst, most extreme scenarios are clearly off the table.
 
@King crimson How close is Lex to seeing the Wayne Enterprises board as a nemesis, or will this count as the first strike? Is it already going that way vice-versa or are they just collectively antagonistic towards rivals (largely due to how the Court pulls the strings)?
 
I have little knowledge of anti trust laws but if I had to guess some of them are still mad about the "phone wars" where we took a few turns upgrading the Lexphone to crush whatever the Waynetech phone was called. Another option is them being worried about us catching them up to them in pharmaceuticals in such a small amount of time and is trying to argue to the government that we're trying to wipe out all the smaller pharmaceutical companies.
 
@King crimson How close is Lex to seeing the Wayne Enterprises board as a nemesis, or will this count as the first strike? Is it already going that way vice-versa or are they just collectively antagonistic towards rivals (largely due to how the Court pulls the strings)?
This is being counted as the first strike. Prior to this point everything was just business and they weren't actively thwarting you (just making competing products). This is a little different than everything they've done before and it's a pretty big escalation on Wayne Enterprises part from what they've done before.

I'd say that broadly speaking this is a result of you repeatedly tweaking Wayne Enterprises on the nose and the most ethical voice (Bruce) being out of the room to prevent them from doing something like this. Most people on Wayne Enterprises board are less ethical than Bruce Wayne and so when you keep eating into their profits, they're going to respond significantly less ethically than he would to having their market share challenged.

Edit: For people who are worried by the ominous sound of my statement, the catch to them doing this big escalation behind Bruce's back that he would have prevented them from doing is that now Bruce Wayne is annoyed at them and wants to bring them back into line and he's brought in Lois "I'm a journalist with a massive platform and respected voice who dislikes billion dollar companies" Lane in to help him in dealing with them.
 
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I'd like to talk to Bruce about Gotham. Specifically about the Crime and the revolving door of criminals. What's wrong with his city and ways to improve it.
If we bring our control/standards to the Police force.
With the capture I'd say make it a team effort and promote how the police helped (with the upgrades from LexCorp).
 
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