Lex Sedet In Vertice: A Supervillain in the DCU CK2 quest

What sort of tone should I shoot for with this Quest?

  • Go as crack fueled as you can we want Ambush Bug, Snowflame and Duckseid

    Votes: 30 7.7%
  • Go for something silly but keep a little bit of reason

    Votes: 31 7.9%
  • Adam West Camp

    Votes: 27 6.9%
  • Balanced as all things should be

    Votes: 195 50.0%
  • Mostly serious but not self-involvedly so

    Votes: 73 18.7%
  • Dark and brooding but with light at the end of the tunnel

    Votes: 12 3.1%
  • We're evil and we don't want anyone to be happy

    Votes: 22 5.6%

  • Total voters
    390
  • Poll closed .
2) Let her know we'll pass the information about HIVE on to our contacts in the government.
I don't think we should. We don't know who has their finger in this pie and we don't know who has spies watching them. Instead of potentially worsening our connection with the US government of any of the generals, use deniable assets.

3) Investigate Kobra ourselves and potentially get Ra's in on it.
Let Queen Bee watch the terrorists. Make her more useful if she can subvert these guys. Also feed us info so we can take advantage of their plan or just disrupt it if it gets in our way.
 
I don't think we should. We don't know who has their finger in this pie and we don't know who has spies watching them. Instead of potentially worsening our connection with the US government of any of the generals, use deniable assets.
Diana is beyond reproach and has the most insight as to who at the DEO could be handing out this information. Not to mention that she, and most likely our other government allies, would be pissed off if they learned we'd known about this and decided to investigate entirely on our own.
Let Queen Bee watch the terrorists. Make her more useful if she can subvert these guys. Also feed us info so we can take advantage of their plan or just disrupt it if it gets in our way.
At this stage Kobra is much more than just terrorists, they're a growing and serious threat that it's looking more and more likely will eventually require outside intervention to stop.

Plus Queen Bee herself is evidently worried about this and it would be very poor form as an ally to just dismiss that.
 
For now Jade would enjoy the way things had played out for her. Her father was in prison, she'd managed to slander his name by implying he was a steroid abuser puncturing daddy dearest's ego and making him look even more pathetic, and she was able to be placed in charge of an operation maintaining races. Things were looking up for now.
Excellent. Kind of want to mentor Jade in management or theatrics so the races do better but I'm not sure who would be assigned to the action.
As such Eiling made it clear that he could hire Carla Draper but unless LexCorp was willing to turn over something of value to Waller, he couldn't deny her everything she was asking for that he'd be getting from LexCorp without inviting potential hostility and betrayal. Lex Luthor understood and in the end they managed to strike a deal.
Let her have the maniacs. Carla is all that really matters.
[ ] [Arrange] Hand over Metallo and Dr. Michaels to Waller and have Carla get hired to assist the DOMA
This will do.

[ ] [HIVE] Inform Queen Bee that you'll potentially arrange for the investigation and elimination of the unknown individual to be handled by the League of shadows to avoid garnering there attention yourselves, while looking into the European cult yourself. Encourage Queen Bee focus on rooting out as much potential spies and information leaks as possible.
League can go after the shady individual in the US government to avoid compromising our relationship with them or leaving the job to Bee, who may be compromised. We can handle Europe, while she cleans house.
Diana is beyond reproach and has the most insight as to who at the DEO could be handing out this information. Not to mention that she, and most likely our other government allies, would be pissed off if they learned we'd known about this and decided to investigate entirely on our own.
So we don't investigate. We offload it to the League.
 
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Plus Queen Bee herself is evidently worried about this and it would be very poor form as an ally to just dismiss that.
I figured she's scared of the Hive situation, not the kobra one.

Diana is beyond reproach and has the most insight as to who at the DEO could be handing out this information. Not to mention that she, and most likely our other government allies, would be pissed off if they learned we'd known about this and decided to investigate entirely on our own.
Doesn't mean her Org isn't full of rats or she's not being watched. Also why would our government allies know? We're using the LOS as an investigator, a deniable asset. If we tell our allies in the government we might as well tell the mystery person we're investigating.

At this stage Kobra is much more than just terrorists, they're a growing and serious threat that it's looking more and more likely will eventually require outside intervention to stop
She's gotten into Hive when it was more, she could likely pull this off. Especially if we give her some support. Maybe through allies like the league or pull her off and have the government deal with Kobra. Was hoping if she or the League does this for us we could get access to their meta human creation methods.
 
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Not quite sure what to tell queen bee, I don't think we should cease communications. I do think the league of shadows would be a safe bet, but also we have a good chance to gain a lot of power here. Getting them involved could reduce that power but eh.
 
Can we please act with a bit more secrecy this time? The last time we immediately running to share information to our 'involved allies' we almost get Queen Bee discovered. Let's make sure we get all of our agents in position and are ready first before risking a third party jumping the gun prematurely again?
 
Yay update! I miss my pumpkins.

Not quite sure what to tell queen bee, I don't think we should cease communications. I do think the league of shadows would be a safe bet, but also we have a good chance to gain a lot of power here. Getting them involved could reduce that power but eh.
We can get power tearing apart this cult in Europe and crushing Kobra and hive remnants. This dude in the US government is deeply imbedded. Leave him to Ra Al Ghul.
 
So I'll officially announce it in case people haven't realized it yet, the vote is now open.
I also really like the Wonderland Races being ran by Cheshire though I wouldn't be shocked if Mad Hatter shows up at some point.
It might be a little gauche, but I'd like to point out that there are three different White Rabbits (a Gotham/India based socialite and supervillain, a Metropolis based arms dealer, and a magical villain) all of which are unaffiliated with the Mad Hatter who could show up. Heck there's even technically two different Mad Hatters.
Does she know we have LOS ties?
Queen Bee doesn't currently know you have ties to the League of Shadows. I just didn't want to type out a balancing act and I wanted to put it into the threads mind that this is very much an issue you can kick over to them.
[ ] [HIVE] Inform Queen Bee that you'll potentially arrange for the investigation and elimination of the unknown individual to be handled by the League of shadows to avoid garnering there attention yourselves, while looking into the European cult yourself. Encourage Queen Bee focus on rooting out as much potential spies and information leaks as possible.
This write-in is good.
 
Can we please act with a bit more secrecy this time? The last time we immediately running to share information to our 'involved allies' we almost get Queen Bee discovered. Let's make sure we get all of our agents in position and are ready first before risking a third party jumping the gun prematurely again?
This guy in the US is seemingly mainly Hive. We can send Ra after him without losing anything in this cult or Kobra. Three different secretive enemies with metahuman assets across at least 4 continents is too much to tackle with just Lexcorp and Queen Bee.

[X] [HIVE] Inform Queen Bee that you'll potentially arrange for the investigation and elimination of the unknown individual to be handled by an Ally of Lex's who will remain unnamed(the League of Shadows) to avoid garnering there attention yourselves, while looking into the European cult yourself. Encourage Queen Bee focus on rooting out as much potential spies and information leaks as possible.

[X] [Arrange] Hand over Metallo and Dr. Michaels to Waller and have Carla get hired to assist the DOMA

I'm not in much of a naming mood, so these will do.
 
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[X] [HIVE] Inform Queen Bee that you'll potentially arrange for the investigation and elimination of the unknown individual to be handled by the League of shadows to avoid garnering there attention yourselves, while looking into the European cult yourself. Encourage Queen Bee focus on rooting out as much potential spies and information leaks as possible.

[X] [Arrange] Hand over Metallo and Dr. Michaels to Waller and have Carla get hired to assist the DOMA
 
[X] [Park] Ozzyland

[X] [Name] Silver Symphony Records

[X] [Arrange] Hand over Metallo and Dr. Michaels to Waller and have Carla get hired to assist the DOMA

[X] [HIVE] Inform Queen Bee that you'll potentially arrange for the investigation and elimination of the unknown individual to be handled by an Ally of Lex's who will remain unnamed(the League of Shadows) to avoid garnering there attention yourselves, while looking into the European cult yourself. Encourage Queen Bee focus on rooting out as much potential spies and information leaks as possible.
 
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[X] [Park] Ozzyland
[X] [Name] Silver Symphony Records
[X] [Arrange] Hand over Metallo and Dr. Michaels to Waller and have Carla get hired to assist the DOMA
 
[X] [Park] Ozzyland

[X] [Name] Silver Symphony Records

[X] [Arrange] Hand over Metallo and Dr. Michaels to Waller and have Carla get hired to assist the DOMA

[X] [HIVE] Encourage Queen Bee focus on rooting out as much potential spies and information leaks as possible
 
So we don't investigate. We offload it to the League.
I have three major issues with this:

1) It assumes that Ra's will care enough about the situation to dedicate the not insignificant resources necessary to deal with it.
2) It would require the League to not only gain a deep understanding of and infiltrate HIVE but also the DEO/DOMA/ARGUS. Something Diana already has.
3) Even assuming they do succeed, short of an amazing success where they manage to kill or unquestionably expose the person responsible it leaves us in the position of having to take their findings to Diana and explain the situation.
I figured she's scared of the Hive situation, not the kobra one.
Possible retaliation from HIVE is her primary concern sure but Kobra is a mysterious organisation with metahumans that is expanding into her territory. She wouldn't bring it up if she wasn't worried about it.
Doesn't mean her Org isn't full of rats or she's not being watched. Also why would our government allies know?We're using the LOS as an investigator, a deniable asset. If we tell our allies in the government we might as well tell the mystery person we're investigating.
Diana has literally been doing this for longer than Lex has been alive and has the Lasso of Truth, I trust her to do a better job investigating a situation she's already familiar with than the League investigating Ken they're brand new to.

And our allies would know because short of everything going shockingly well we'd almost certainly need to mention it to one of them eventually.
She's gotten into Hive when it was more, she could likely pull this off. Especially if we give her some support. Maybe through allies like the league or pull her off and have the government deal with Kobra. Was hoping if she or the League does this for us we could get access to their meta human creation methods.
HIVE was an organisation of disparate cells loosely working together and with their own motivations. Kobra is a organised cult the extent of which we are unclear about and whose members are motivated by religious fervour.
Can we please act with a bit more secrecy this time? The last time we immediately running to share information to our 'involved allies' we almost get Queen Bee discovered. Let's make sure we get all of our agents in position and are ready first before risking a third party jumping the gun prematurely again?
Did we though? Even with how successful Waller was she never came close to Queen Bee, as far as I know, and this time we have absolutely no ties to any of the involved parties.
 
I have three major issues with this:

1) It assumes that Ra's will care enough about the situation to dedicate the not insignificant resources necessary to deal with it.
2) It would require the League to not only gain a deep understanding of and infiltrate HIVE but also the DEO/DOMA/ARGUS. Something Diana already has.
3) Even assuming they do succeed, short of an amazing success where they manage to kill or unquestionably expose the person responsible it leaves us in the position of having to take their findings to Diana and explain the situation.

Possible retaliation from HIVE is her primary concern sure but Kobra is a mysterious organisation with metahumans that is expanding into her territory. She wouldn't bring it up if she wasn't worried about it.

Diana has literally been doing this for longer than Lex has been alive and has the Lasso of Truth, I trust her to do a better job investigating a situation she's already familiar with than the League investigating Ken they're brand new to.

And our allies would know because short of everything going shockingly well we'd almost certainly need to mention it to one of them eventually.

HIVE was an organisation of disparate cells loosely working together and with their own motivations. Kobra is a organised cult the extent of which we are unclear about and whose members are motivated by religious fervour.

Did we though? Even with how successful Waller was she never came close to Queen Bee, as far as I know, and this time we have absolutely no ties to any of the involved parties.
It's more creating a risk when we don't need to. Plus wasting an opportunity. If we could have done a bit of opsec and not just share the information we could have Queen Bee gain more on HIVE assets and clues on this unknown backer. Yet, we told Diana who then told Waller who then goes immediately nuclear. The problems I see generally in Quest including this one is the assumption our allies wouldn't act without our say so. This time the related one was Diana informing Waller making a quiet infiltration turn into a mad scramble to avoid detection , and most recently with Talia acting on her own building her hidden faction within us.

What I am pressing here is the need to not overcomplicate things when it is unnecesary. I am pretty sure Queen Bee wouldn't appreciate the fact of how we encourage her to infiltrate HIVE only for us to let loose Waller on it.
 
[X] [Park] Ozzyland

[X] [Name] Silver Symphony Records

[X] [Arrange] Hand over Metallo and Dr. Michaels to Waller and have Carla get hired to assist the DOMA

[X] [HIVE] Inform Queen Bee that you'll potentially arrange for the investigation and elimination of the unknown individual to be handled by an Ally of Lex's who will remain unnamed(the League of Shadows) to avoid garnering there attention yourselves, while looking into the European cult yourself. Encourage Queen Bee focus on rooting out as much potential spies and information leaks as possible.
 
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[X] [Name] Silver Symphony Records

[X] [Arrange] Hand over Metallo and Dr. Michaels to Waller and have Carla get hired to assist the DOMA

Not sure on the others as I dont really have a good handle on exactly what is happening with the HIVE US connections as well how Waller and Diana tie into that (and the potential leaks from their organizations). But I must admit not shocked someone did something so short sighted as to give a way to make meta humans to a organization they only loosely control. This does mean for me that I do not want to share any of our meta tech with anyone not even Diana.

Also with Kobra making grabs at metahumans what is the chance they will try and hit Wayne Industries? They have the most public research on metahumans going on and a kidnapping/espionage action would be right up there alley. Which would be super funny if it happened the turn Bruce is in Metropolis so no Batman to intervene.
 
Can we please just stick to the original options? The write ins is basically telling her to root out spies and leaks. The bit of Ra stuff is us telling her unnecesary information and expectation because we can't guarantee Ra would... wait a minute, did SHE knows about our alliance about Ra?
 
We really don't need to let Queen Bee know we work the the League of Shadows. Most people consider them a terrorist group that attacked Metropolis and tried to assassinate Lex Luthor in the early turns of the quest, no need to muddy the waters and tell Queen Bee we are in an alliance with them, it brings up all kinds of questions about why they attacked in the first place and how we could be working with them now.

It may give her the impression that we'll turn around and ally with HIVE or Kobra if it suits our needs, or that we had the League attack Metropolis to give us some PR wins in fighting them off and fortifying the city.

That's why I'm going with

[ ] [HIVE] Encourage Queen Bee focus on rooting out as much potential spies and information leaks as possible

and I'd be fine combining it with either of these:
[ ] [HIVE] Encourage Queen Bee directly contact the US government with her concerns
[ ] [HIVE] Encourage Queen Bee to denounce HIVE as a terrorist organization on the world stage
 
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I am serious, DID she know of our alliance with the League? We are literally broking our agreement with Ra of consulting him first before including more organizations to the alliance if the write ins goes through.
 
Diana has literally been doing this for longer than Lex has been alive
No she has not. Diana entered "Man's World" during the course of the quest. By all metrics she has not been part of the US government or engaging in spy games longer than Lex has been alive.

That's not to say Diana doesn't have experience in handling this kind of stuff (her first appearance is around turn 7 meaning at bare minimum she has in-universe been part of the US government for at least 6 years) and she was trained by Director Bones, who had literal decades of experience running the DEO. I'm just pointing out that Diana has not been doing what her current job requires as longer than Cassandra has been alive, much less Lex himself.
I am serious, DID she know of our alliance with the League?
Going to echo HavocOrder0999 above me but I'll state that Queen Bee is not aware of your alliance with the League of Shadows.
 
It was answered above in a post
No she has not. Diana entered "Man's World" during the course of the quest. By all metrics she has not been part of the US government or engaging in spy games longer than Lex has been alive.

That's not to say Diana doesn't have experience in handling this kind of stuff (her first appearance is around turn 7 meaning at bare minimum she has in-universe been part of the US government for at least 6 years) and she was trained by Director Bones, who had literal decades of experience running the DEO. I'm just pointing out that Diana has not been doing what her current job requires as longer than Cassandra has been alive, much less Lex himself.

Going to echo HavocOrder0999 above me but I'll state that Queen Bee is not aware of your alliance with the League of Shadows.
Huh, didn't see that. Thanks. Now, can everyone please don't vote that write in that risk us angering Ra and breaking our alliance. Again.
 
[X] [HIVE] Inform Queen Bee that you'll potentially arrange for the investigation and elimination of the unknown individual to be handled by an Ally of Lex's who will remain unnamed to avoid garnering there attention yourselves, while looking into the European cult yourself. Encourage Queen Bee focus on rooting out as much potential spies and information leaks as possible.
@King crimson can I get approval of this new write in that doesn't tell Queen Bee who we will have handlr the unknown individual.

Huh, didn't see that. Thanks. Now, can everyone please don't vote that write in that risk us angering Ra and breaking our alliance. Again.
I'm changing it. Chill out.
 
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