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Lex Sedet In Vertice: A Supervillain in the DCU CK2 quest

What sort of tone should I shoot for with this Quest?

  • Go as crack fueled as you can we want Ambush Bug, Snowflame and Duckseid

    Votes: 30 7.7%

  • Go for something silly but keep a little bit of reason

    Votes: 31 7.9%

  • Adam West Camp

    Votes: 27 6.9%

  • Balanced as all things should be

    Votes: 195 50.0%

  • Mostly serious but not self-involvedly so

    Votes: 73 18.7%

  • Dark and brooding but with light at the end of the tunnel

    Votes: 12 3.1%

  • We're evil and we don't want anyone to be happy

    Votes: 22 5.6%
  • Total voters
    390
  • Poll closed .
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Randino Treviani said:
No no no. It's "Formerly normal people like you or me" who "Have been empowered to take justice into their own hands" in accordance to the laws and order of our just society. I'm playing up the angle that these are people who were mundane and have climbed to heights other can aspire to. Hence the Ultra.
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Eh I feel like that's a very delicate balance to strike and would require a lot of PR management to maintain it. After all we'd have to keep our heroes in the tricky position of being "normal people" but also "string and capable defenders." It's probably easier to just have them be larger than life as a group and let individual heroes decide how they want to present themselves in particular.

Plus there's the issue that short of developing a way to give the average person superpowers it would be difficult to sell the idea that average people can become heroes.
Lord Ultimus said:
So is anyone going to break the 3-way tie?
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Eh I'd rather ??? not win but I'd be fine with either of the other two and there's not much that can be done to sway it Ken way or the other now.
 
[X] [Crash] Take over and rebrand Crash Alley Street races
[x] [Tower] Make non-impactful renovations to LexCorp tower
-[X] [Renovate] Have large American flags be prominent in the lobby of LexCorp tower
-[x] [Renovate] Get Janus a room that's meant to imitate a Savannah
-[x] [Renovate] Install a giant fish tank at Lightyear Entertainments headquarters
-[x] [Renovate] Create a designated sauna room for Snowy
-[x] [Renovate] Allow Cassandra to decorate her personal gym
-[x] [Renovate] Allow Jade to purchase kabuki masks to hang on her rooms walls
-[X] [Renovate] Update the bowling alleys to use animations involving prominent LexCorp figures
-[x] [Renovate] Let Jinx install a chocolate fountain in her room
-[x] [Renovate] Build an extra 3 bookshelves for Raven
-[X] [Renovate] Install a waterslide
-[x] [Renovate] Build a room in Lightyear Entertainment's headquarters that plays their material nonstop
-[x] [Renovate] Build a popcorn machine for the theaters
-[x] [Renovate] Allow Jinx to stick a gold name plate on the door to her room
-[x] [Renovate] Improve the inter-kitchen intercom system
-[x] [Renovate] Install a comfortable massage chair in Mercy's office/command center
-[X] [Renovate] Install a statue of nemesis before the law offices
-[X] [Renovate] Install a giant chess board with remote control pieces
-[x] [Renovate] Install a statue garden dedicated to LexCorp's success on the grounds outside
-[X] [Renovate] Install a performative "Ultraviolet signal" on the roof of LexCorp tower
-[x] [Renovate] Install coffee machines on every floor available to the general workforce
-[X] [Renovate] Include a "the doctor is in" sign on Rene Carpenter's office
-[x] [Renovate] Install more L-Phone charging stations
-[X] [Renovate] Install a table with replicas of Metropolis and Tokyo Lexcorp Towers side by side with a plaque reading "closer than you think" between them.
-[X] [Renovate] Install a portrait of Lex and Cassandra in Lex's office.
[X] [Direct] King of Crime
[X] [Direct] Pirates of Nassau
[X] [Direct] Hexed in the West
[X] [Crock] Have Talia disguise herself and approach Paula Crock in private while Lady Vic in a digital decoy mask hides and waits to ambush should either of the crocks attempt to run or fight. Bring spare digital decoy masks incase we come to an agreement with the Crocks and need to disguise them.
[x] [Trait] Monkey See, Monkey Better than You
 
Fight Club 20 said:
@King crimson When is the vote close?
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I'll be giving you guys like 30 more minutes and then the vote is closed. The update probably won't come out this week (I've got at least three job interviews in the span of as many days and potentially more to come on top of multiple birthdays) but hopefully I'll be able to get it out relatively soon. Thank you all for your patience and understanding.

Edit: Vote's closed now folks
 
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So some minor hype/terror building, the superhero recruitment subvote and the doctor recruitment subvote are looking to have more words than the entirety of turn 29 results part 5. It's kind of wild.
 
wabbitking said:
If the updates going to be so big would it be possible to cut it up and release it as chunks?
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Yes it would.
jonasquinn said:
Do you think you'll post Part 5 piecemeal or do you want to get it all done in one?
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Probably piecemeal. Anything that's projected to be 20k+ words should probably be cut up, if for retention then nothing else. The largest section (and probably the section that will get posted first will just be hero recruitment. I think almost every roll that succeeded by over 100 would be accounted for in some form in that update and it's got a solid idea to be centered around so once it's knocked out of the way the rest of the update will be a little smaller and more reasonably sized.

Edit: I'm also about halfway through it already due to my prep work so the hero recruitment stuff will be easier to get to land early.
 
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For the record, I still want Cassandra to mold her fellow teenagers in her own image. Have pantsuits become all the rage.
 
King crimson said:
Yes it would.

Probably piecemeal. Anything that's projected to be 20k+ words should probably be cut up, if for retention then nothing else. The largest section (and probably the section that will get posted first will just be hero recruitment. I think almost every roll that succeeded by over 100 would be accounted for in some form in that update and it's got a solid idea to be centered around so once it's knocked out of the way the rest of the update will be a little smaller and more reasonably sized.

Edit: I'm also about halfway through it already due to my prep work so the hero recruitment stuff will be easier to get to land early.
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That makes sense. By the way did you decide which trait won the tie break?
 
jonasquinn said:
Huh missed that.

Damn, that's a real waste IMO. We almost certainly aren't going to take the necessary steps to benefit from that.
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We can literally just get a decent team on hiring a decent martial arts teacher turn 33, or favor "Spar with character x" personal actions for Cassandra or Spar with Cassandra actions for at least one character per turn. This is Cassandra we are talking about. She'll have it in a year, tops. Or this turn if we are assigning Starfire to her anyway.
 
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Randino Treviani said:
We can literally just get a decent team on hiring a decent martial arts teacher turn 33, or favor "Spar with character x" personal actions for Cassandra or Spar with Cassandra actions for at least one character per turn. This is Cassandra we are talking about. She'll have it in a year, tops.
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But that's the absolute minimum we have to do and it only results in Cassandra learning she has chi. It will almost certainly take at least one more action for her to actually learn how to use it and very likely multiple to learn how to use it in different ways. All that for what very well might just be a Martial boost!

For how much people were worried about the action economy effects of the other two finalists traits this one is arguably the worst in that department.
 
I'm actually glad Cassandra now has an alternative to magic now, though I'm not sure how well chi abilities stack against magical abilities.
 
Serpentine said:
I'm actually glad Cassandra now has an alternative to magic now, though I'm not sure how well chi abilities stack against magical abilities.
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Depends on the magic, the talent of the practitioner, and the raw power available to them. On a purely combat? Raven is the only practicioner we have so far she would have much trouble defeating, and Black Adam is the only Practicioner we've met who would be likely to defeat her. The main thing is this gives her avenues of damaging otherwise so tough their nearly invulnerable enemies.
 
Randino Treviani said:
We can literally just get a decent team on hiring a decent martial arts teacher turn 33, or favor "Spar with character x" personal actions for Cassandra or Spar with Cassandra actions for at least one character per turn. This is Cassandra we are talking about. She'll have it in a year, tops. Or this turn if we are assigning Starfire to her anyway.
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I'd prefer not to spend a child action to hire a teacher tbh.

I'd also much rather teach Cassandra tactics of military strategy and tactics if we're assigning Starfire to her, or alternatively one of her Diplomacy actions although I'm less thrilled about that option.

We are very much behind schedule for stat increases IMO.

Serpentine said:
I'm actually glad Cassandra now has an alternative to magic now, though I'm not sure how well chi abilities stack against magical abilities.
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Kong Kenan's chi abilities made him extremely resistant to magic, for what it's worth.

@King crimson if the update is being released in chunks, is there a new timetable for it?
 
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Randino Treviani said:
Raven is the only practicioner we have so far she would have much trouble defeating, and Black Adam is the only Practicioner we've met who would be likely to defeat her.
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While I won't make a statement one way or another about your overall point in the post above, this statement is blatantly false. While Raven is the only practitioner who is a LexCorp employee who Cassandra would consistently have trouble defeating, in situations in which Cassandra does not have access to a gun or some other form of ranged weaponry and the fight is in an open area, Cassandra would also struggle against Rebecca using her powers optimally (Rebecca can fly and remain out of Cassandra's range while blasting at her with hellfire). If we look outside of LexCorp the toss up on characters that practice magic that can give her a lot of trouble includes people like Zatanna (if Zatanna has time to start casting, she can be incredibly difficult for Cassandra to beat considering Zatanna can very quickly begin immobilizing Cassandra and pull off devastating tricks like magically making Cassandra unable to see).

As for practitioners that would be likely to defeat Cassandra that you've already met, I can already think of at least five who are likely to do so (and one additional individual who probably has the odds in his favor with a huge asterisk attached).
  1. Doctor Fate folds Cassandra so fast it's not even funny. The biggest advantage Cassandra has in any fight with Dr. Fate is that Dr. Fate can't go to full power without allowing a Lord of Chaos to potentially drop in and successfully gank him.
  2. Circe is a goddess full stop. While Cass can hurt her avatar, Circe is able to near instantly end a fight by transforming Cass, can fly, can fire blasts from long range, can create minions to fight for her, can shapeshift and is immortal and very, very durable. Unless you are incredibly magically powerful/have powerful magical defenses, any direct fight with Circe is an instant loss. To be fair this is not a knock on Cassandra's capabilities (she has about as much chance at winning a straight fight against Circe right now as Superman, the Flash and Batman teaming up together do), rather more me pointing out that Circe is a goddess and is pretty insanely hard to fight (you need Moly to even have a ghost of a chance 99% of the time).
  3. Karkull also bodies Cassandra. Karkull was basically able to turn Metropolis into a hellscape in under an hour. He's one of the strongest mortal practitioners ever. He can transfigure people, teleport, fly and turn invisible and intangible. Cassandra cannot even touch Karkull even if he dropped half his abilities like transfiguring her into his minion, turning invisible and teleporting. Karkull successfully managed to fight Ultraviolet, Superman, Silver Banshee and Dr. Fate all at once and while he did have minions, it didn't exactly take him a long time to build up that many minions. He easily comes out on top.
  4. Tala might not seem impressive as you've seen exactly zero impressive feats from her, but she's a very, very powerful magic user. Beyond the classic flight advantage, Tala's several centuries old and is incredibly magically powerful. Cass could maybe beat her if the fight starts with Cassandra right on top of her, but in any situation in which Tala is able to cast a single spell, Cassandra probably loses.
  5. Mera is another character who I don't see Cassandra beating. While Mera isn't the most impressive magically, the ability to control water, breath indefinitely in water and the general Atlantean super strength and durability package are not great for Cassandra. Cassandra could get the upper hand in a drawn out engagement, but in any situation where Cassandra is forced to fight without retreating, she probably loses.
  6. Felix Faust is the character with the asterisk attached. Felix Faust is absolutely incredibly powerful but you're unlikely to encounter a full power Felix Faust and any overt unleashing of his power that allows various even more powerful entities to locate him would result in him/that part of him also dying. Felix Faust could pretty solidly trade against Cassandra if he were willing to die and if Cassandra were ever made to fight against a whole Felix Faust as opposed to a sliver of his soul possessing someone else (which is what you encountered) then she loses pretty solidly.
So that's six magic users who you've met who more likely than not defeat Cassandra who are not Black Adam. To be fair, two of these characters are what I would consider the best in a particular field of magic (Faust and Karkull), two of these characters are multiversal entities (Circe and Dr. Fate), and the remaining two are a centuries old witch with training from one of the most powerful magic users in the world when he was significantly more capable and the other is a super tough, superstrong princess from a warrior culture who became the queen of Atlantis and studied magic her entire life.

I just wanted to point this out because you've already encountered plenty of big magical fish and I think that's worth bringing to your attention since I personally wouldn't even place Black Adam in the top 3 most powerful magical beings you've encountered thus far.
Nobody134 said:
@King crimson if the update is being released in chunks, is there a new timetable for it?
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Not really. I might get it out early but realistically speaking I have this evening and portions of tomorrow before IRL obligations tie up too much of my time to realistically work on this (I've gotten an interview every day of the week at this point and clinic work and coursework that I need to keep up with and birthdays to attend and I don't think I can realistically get all of this done and work on the update efficiently).

Expect the time table to hold about the same though things might get lucky (though I wouldn't bank on it).
 
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Nobody134 said:
I'd prefer not to spend a child action to hire a teacher tbh.
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A child action would have better results on her personal development than hiring one outside it, and if Richard Dragon is literally hunting for someone kidnapped and brainwashed by one of our closest allies, none of which Lex knows about in quest, then I'd say the hoops we have to jump through to get him have been clarified as far to many.
Nobody134 said:
I'd also much rather teach Cassandra tactics of military strategy and tactics if we're assigning Starfire to her, or alternatively one of her Diplomacy actions although I'm less thrilled about that option.
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It's Battle Tactics and Field Command, if we are talking the specific martial action. Either way, I'm fine with that option winning instead, though personally either are fine in my opinion.
Nobody134 said:
We are very much behind schedule for stat increases IMO.
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I know. It's why I've been pushing for strong teams on her special actions and voted for the one with an automatic +2 to her intrigue as my favorite trait option. Fortunately we still have the vote to upgrade her other trait. Hopefully the options with base stat improvements will be more appealing in the next round of voting.

There is the old fashion method of raising them with exp, and we do have a handful or so of voters with decent chunks. I'll try to build my own stores back up before turn 32 rolls around.

I'm hoping KC will give us an option to debute Cassandra by having her attend Lexpo as our daughter, and from there we can have her start running the Alexandria branch of Lexcorp with Jinx and possibly starfire assigned to the action. Ideally we'll do it some time next year turn wise. Doing it turn 34 would let her set up for a busy summer tourism season for an easier start.
 
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