Lex Sedet In Vertice: A Supervillain in the DCU CK2 quest

What sort of tone should I shoot for with this Quest?

  • Go as crack fueled as you can we want Ambush Bug, Snowflame and Duckseid

    Votes: 30 7.7%
  • Go for something silly but keep a little bit of reason

    Votes: 31 7.9%
  • Adam West Camp

    Votes: 27 6.9%
  • Balanced as all things should be

    Votes: 195 50.0%
  • Mostly serious but not self-involvedly so

    Votes: 73 18.7%
  • Dark and brooding but with light at the end of the tunnel

    Votes: 12 3.1%
  • We're evil and we don't want anyone to be happy

    Votes: 22 5.6%

  • Total voters
    390
  • Poll closed .
or maybe teleport Chemo up there, admittdly Braniac may have come up with a counter. But Chemo reeked havoc on the ship above Metropolis.
Problem there is that it's over open ocean... and chemo can't fly. Might be a bit too much of a suicide mission.

Also, if we do it with kryptonite bombs... well, there's a chance that Superman might have decided to go after Brainiac himself, no?
 
I'm not sure the teliporter is worth it. It might be good for 1 off reinforcements or retrieval but it can be countered and if we acquatence for his black box method there is nothing to stop the brain from installing a back door to take control and nab anything, or person, we try to recover with its really a measure of how much use we get out of it, and weather that matches up favorably with what we are supplying Brain.

I think given the issues here rather than focus the legion of doom on the most important area's we should have them to hit and run lesser area's to try relieve pressure and free up fighters for a more focused assault.
 
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So... how much of the country's problems would be solved if we let Brainiac just take Gotham?
It's a hellmoth with a while bunch of different problems. Brainiac would either be destroyed or give it back.

After this we need to go hard on power armor. Germany with just that was able to push brainiac back. We needed a combination of meats and soldiers to do the same.
 
The tricky part would be trying to deniably cause Toyman to move into the site and retrieve Metallo. Mercy wasn't sure she could pull that off.

Still, she would do the best she could with what she had. Her current plan was to look through the records the city had of what Toyman had previously stolen to create his robotic minions, then covertly leak that information to the criminal underground in order to encourage him to steal from LexCorp. It probably wouldn't work perfectly, Toyman had made it a point not to steal from LexCorp when possible...
Damn. Our reputation for being the one guy in Metropolis that you really don't want to piss off is, in this particular instance, working against us. :p

Finding Metallo was a sucker's job but he wasn't going to say no to Mercy Graves to her face. Letting her know that he knew that this was a job given to a disposable operative was only more likely to make her dispose of him early. As such he stayed quiet about the whole situation and simply accepted the job. The important thing he could do was keep Lisa and Sam's involvement in this as circumspect as possible. If worst came to worst and shit came to light Leonard would rather he be the only one to take the hit and that his sister got off scott-free. Sam was simply collateral because if Sam knew about the reality of the situation then he'd tell Lisa.
Never change, Leonard, never change.

Let's try to avoid letting this blow back on him.

The three of them covertly combed through the wreckage of the city searching high and low for whatever they could find, sticking whatever odds and ends they figured were interesting enough for LexCorp to want to keep into a large mirror Sam had somehow magicked into a storage device. Leonard had no idea how the magic worked or how Sam had even learned how to use magic and he had no interest in pursuing that line of inquiry. Sam's stupid probably wasn't contagious, but it was best not to try and delve too deep into it while you could still avoid it.
Oh God my sides.

After a solid hour or so of sifting through wreckage Leonard finally found what he was looking for. Leonard wasn't an expert on supervillains but Mercy's description of Metallo's torso lined up pretty neatly with what he'd found. The skeletal machine began to say something when Leonard casually lobbed a freeze grenade at its head, muffling its ability to speak and obscuring its head. Leonard wasn't even going to leave the off chance that Metallo could talk to Sam and Lisa and inadvertently put them in danger. It was better that the two of them knew as little as possible about what had happened so that he could take the fall if things went wrong. It was best to be careful here.

He got Sam to place Metallo's torso into the mirror with a minimum amount of fuss and then after a little bit more sweeping of the city, gave the order to return back to LexCorp. On a discreet and covert line he informed Mercy of what he'd done and soon had Sam dumping out all of the stuff stored in the mirror in various discrete warehouses, usually the ones further away from the city that were fairly intact. It wasn't perfect but Leonard had done his job and he'd made sure his sister would be safe from any repercussions of this latest scheme LexCorp seemed to be employing. And that was a sucess in his book.
I'm not sure whether this is good or bad, but I'm pretty sure Leonard's actions mean that Metallo himself doesn't know we're quietly trying to make sure he recovers and gets to take another shot at Superman.

The Brain had retained his edge over the years by making himself unique and unmatched. Nobody could do what he did and replicate his results. Encouraging the proliferation of his technology would only diminish the value of what the Brain had. He didn't mind letting Luthor have a single inferior teleporter for Metropolis only but at the same time he was well aware that giving the man the technology was a risk in and of itself as a businessman who dealt in technology would almost certainly try to market and distribute whatever advanced technology he had.
The Brain is probably also aware that we've got some pretty advanced tech of our own, and may have inferred that some of it is reverse-engineered alien tech.

Most of New England had been cleared of alien forces, although they remained present in a few pockets, most notably over Gotham. Of particular interest was that one "Dr. Fate" whom you vaguely recognized from the old JSA files had begun assisting in fighting off the alien threat, though he wasn't coordinating with anyone. It seemed this individual on his own was capable of shifting the fight in your favor and he was treated as being immensely dangerous and not one to antagonize.
Mildred Graves:

"Yeah, not a good idea. I once got brains all over his helmet, but under the circumstances I don't think he felt antagonized."

The meeting then transitioned to a discussion of the rest of the country. The midwest of the United States was in bad shape. Heroes like the Flash and the new "Blue Beetle" and "Booster Gold" came and assisted in the fight against Brainiac but the damage to America's breadbasket was severe enough that there were concerns over potential food shortages with the rest of the country. Pamela was quick to offer a few important suggestions on this front though not much headway would be made now as there were more immediate concerns to be dealt with.
Hm. Incentive for us to dust off some of those old "make a lot of food" Learning options we have in inventory.

So far Brainiac hadn't gained access to any sensitive information or nuclear launch codes but the alien had made a concerted effort to acquire as much data and information as possible during the attack. Notably there was a significant amount of fear that if anything but a completely isolated system was used, then Brainiac would attempt to hijack it as soon as he learned of it.
Brainiac doesn't need nuclear launch codes.

Honestly I'm pretty sure he has hacked sensitive information, unless he just hasn't bothered and is saving it for last while processing the bounty of insensitive information. Which I suspect he'd have learned is counterproductive, because when he peels a civilization like an onion they probably tend to destroy classified information while he's wrecking them. So if he wants it, he needs to get it fast.

Aquaman, the King of Atlantis ended up leaving the conversation early, announcing that due to his attempts to aid weaker countries in repelling Brainiac from their shores, other Atlanteans had seen the army spread thin and decided that this was an ideal opportunity to attempt to coup him. As such he couldn't assist the rest of the world powers until the internal matter was dealt with.
Guess he's not the man we can turn to for a plan... :p

The rest of the world was similarly in shambles as while they'd successfully been repelling most of Brainiac's forces from outright overrunning everything, they'd been unsuccessful in knocking most of his command ships out of the sky. Only Russia, the US, China, the UK and Germany had succeeded in doing so and they were often still dealing with pockets of resistance. Most concerningly of all though was the fact that the ship hovering over Point Nemo was preparing to launch a second wave on the rest of the world and it was unclear whether or not they'd be able to weather it if Brainiac advanced unopposed. As such various world leaders and critical figures met and began to debate what would be the best way to bring the fight to Brainiac and bring him down.
Where's Point Nemo, again?
 
So... how much of the country's problems would be solved if we let Brainiac just take Gotham?
None. All of the country's problems would remain. Gotham's an awful place but it is nowhere near a national issue.
Where's Point Nemo, again?
49.0273 S, 123.4345 W. More specifically it is between Australia, South America and Antartica. Even more specifically it is between Ducie Island, Motu Nui, Siple Island and Marie Byrd land. The nearest inhabited location is more than 250 miles away.

In pop culture it is generally the location in which R'lyeh is located in, but the story The "Call of Cthulhu" was written before Point Nemo was properly identified.

That clarify things sufficiently?
 
Or maybe teleport Chemo up there, admittdly Braniac may have come up with a counter. But Chemo wreaked havoc on the ship above Metropolis.
I am pretty sure that a live thermonuclear warhead would be more dangerous than Chemo, though Chemo is a good Plan B.

Problem there is that it's over open ocean... and chemo can't fly. Might be a bit too much of a suicide mission.
He can change his chemical composition as I recall. He doesn't need to breathe.

Could he just, like, turn into a big hollow rubber float or something after splashdown?

Also, if we do it with kryptonite bombs... well, there's a chance that Superman might have decided to go after Brainiac himself, no?
Lololol.

None. All of the country's problems would remain. Gotham's an awful place but it is nowhere near a national issue.
Also, Gotham is situated on the I-95 corridor and its destruction massively disrupts transportation along the coast through the Mid-Atlantic states.
 
Also, Gotham is situated on the I-95 corridor and its destruction massively disrupts transportation along the coast through the Mid-Atlantic states.
Oh, I have faith that it will eventually recover. It has too much plot significance not to. It's just... this is like the Menagerie riots, except that it won't particularly purge the Court of Owls this time, so Wayne won't even have that brief period where his company isn't corrupt to work with.

I see. So we should subtly keep help from coming there. Got it.
Well... I certainly wouldn't wish to be known as a reason why help did not come to Gotham... but there's also no reason to encourage it.
 
A point i think could be brought up is that the genie's out of the bottle regarding teleportation and power armor techs. Once something is proven possible & viable, others will try to achieve it and will likely succeed at it.

So in a few turns time it's entirely possible that PA (at least) will proliferate among the major players.

@King crimson was Brainiac's attack mostly concentrated on the US? Honestly surprised that the chinese managed to fend their attack off with only 10 metas.
 
[X] [Brain] Give Brain a counteroffer and continue negotiating with him
- [X] [Deal] Inform Brain that, unfortunately, having unknown tech in the Tower runs against LexCorp policy and safety guidelines. As alternative offer Brain large sum of money and legal help necessary to buy his own company, that would offer to its clients high cost but instant worldwide transportation service, perhaps only between fixed locations if it would make Brain job easier and will help in automatizing process. Then offer him additional money to buy back from him shares of said company in the amount that Brain would be willing to sell. In exchange for such deal we would expect preferable conditions for LexCorp orders, like cheaper delivery cost, priority in scheduling and so on. Also when establishing teleportation networks priority should be given to towns with LexCorp tower in them.
[X] [War] Offer following proposals
- [X] Suggest to start gathering elite team capable of striking main Brainiac ship. First Black Adam can go to Coast city, help deal with Brainiac forces there and ask for information about Brainiac from Lantern databases. After it Ultraviolet and Green Lantern are free to defend other locations or join group that plan to assault main Brainiac ship. They also can go and help Dr Fate to deal with his enemies and ask him for further cooperation. Proceed with recruitment in the same vein not limiting our self with homegrown heroes and extending help to the allied countries, for example helping Dr. Light in Japan. Suggest for Tala to focus her efforts on helping to coordinate this group.
- [X] Propose idea of Worldwide Hero Association that would in future coordinate similar hero efforts and rate heroes based on their contribution, ability to cooperate with other heroes and authorities, law-abiding and so on. In future it can be extended into overall hero ranking with incentives for high ranking heroes such as ability to legally operate in countries members of association and so on.Don't push for it now and make it clear that it is simply subject for future discussions.As of now all we need is a group of experts that can determinate optimal team structure for assault on the main Brainiac ship and suggest such candidates for Black Adam group.
-[X] Task Pamela with developing countermeasures against Brainiac anti-teleportation gas. She is most likely immune and have a permission to get all necessary help from LexCorp scientists and magic users. Hold on employing countermeasure until its use will have the most strategic effect, with assumption that it will have only a couple of uses until Brainiac will develop countermeasures against your countermeasures.
-[X] Search for known to you magic users. Ask Tala and others in the know present for more names. Send Rebecca, Helena and other appropriate hero units to conduct initial negotiation and retrieve said individuals. Use them for long distance assault on Brainiac ship. Try to make sure that they do not have conflicts between each other, in particular it could be prudent to keep good and evil aligned magic users in entirely different groups despite additional hardships in logistic. Don't forget to ask them for contact information for further dealings. Send a couple of curses in Brainiac main ship direction to check if he have defenses against it. Also check if any of them can detect alien/ aliens presence on board. It will confirm that it is not just decoy ship and allow for more targeted assault through magic or pinpoint teleportation.
-[X] Look for Zatanna. She worked with Jinx before and likely can offer suggestions on using Jinx bad luck abilities that would not endanger teenage girl. In particular we would be interested in ways to channel her bad luck on long distance target. Of course, if found, Zatanna would be well compensated for such emergency consultation.




Edit: Number of sub-pargraphs continue to increase. Feel free to discards those you don't like or take only those you prefer to your own plans though
Edit 2: There is updated version below
 
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Maybe add some kind of initiative to promote the idea of superhero teams? If there's indeed such a ranking system then it mind disuade heroes from joining forces at the risk of having to share credit.

I think that some more thought needs to be put into this

@King crimson will we get a subvote for our global superhero initiative idea?
I think it entirely depends on ranking criteria. I even put ability to cooperate as one of the first to matter. If for example they get additional points for being in team then it should not in any way stop them from working together.

As for what model would be ultimately accepted, I think it would be a long time until everything is completed. Even US vigilante law takes forever to implement. I would not expect fast results for global initiative. Also it would not be all in our hands but I would expect at least some ability to influence it in future turns.
 
iirc Supernan talked about how it was time to take the fight to Brainiac in the previous turn, right? And there is no way for us to contact him, right? So can't we like try to coordinate a direct assault on Brainiac with all of the strongest people on the planet, try to bring Superman in (only to inevitably fail) and then just use Kryptonite bombs to clear the way or what have you and if/when he gets caught in the blast, just pin it all on him by portraying him as unwilling to work with other/incompetent/ being a glory hound and use him as a political tool to demonstrate the importance of our initiative?
 
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iirc Supernan talked about how it was time to take the fight to Brainiac in the previous turn, right? And there is no way for us to contact him, right? So can't we like try to coordinate a direct assault on Brainiac with all of the strongest people on the planet, try to bring Superman in (only to inevitably fail) and then just use Kryptonite bombs to clear the way or what have you and if/when he gets caught in the blast, just pin it all on him by portraying him as unwilling to work with other/incompetent/ being a glory hound and use him as a political tool to demonstrate the importance of our initiative?
Overall I agree, except what if we propose to contact Superman and actually manage it? Tala possibly can contact him through magic, Black Adam have multiple superpowers and so on. Perhaps it would be better if no one remembers about Superman until we move to assault Brainiac.
 
Overall I agree, except what if we propose to contact Superman and actually manage it? Tala possibly can contact him through magic, Black Adam have multiple superpowers and so on. Perhaps it would be better if no one remembers about Superman until we move to assault Brainiac.

Mm, good point.
Having deniability would be significant for us though.

Do people actually knows that he has a weakness for Kryptonite?
 
Mm, good point.
Having deniability would be significant for us though.

Do people actually knows that he has a weakness for Kryptonite?
In general I think no, although certain individuals are aware, Metallo for example. With secret service individuals like Waller you can never be sure if they know such things or not. We can still mix kryptonite bombs with other esoteric armaments if we plan to bomb Brainiac ships I think.

Kryptonite is not only thing that can hurt Superman though, magic can too. Except if we put Tala on it, it can distract her from other things possibly affecting our hero team gathering efforts.

It is still worth to consider I think

[] Recommend Tala to gather known magic users for long distance assault on Brainiac ship. They can send couple of curses in Brainiac main ship direction to check if he have defenses against it. Also check if any of them can detect alien/ aliens presence on board. It will confirm that it is not just decoy ship and allow for more targeted assault through magic or pinpoint teleportation.

or

[] Search for Zatanna. She worked with Jinx before and likely can offer suggestions on using Jinx bad luck abilities that would not endanger teenage girl. In particular we would be interested in ways to channel her bad luck on long distance target or charge objects with her bad luck till the point that they are basically bad luck bombs. Of course, if found, Zatanna would be well compensated for such emergency consultation.
 
I think that a magical assault will have a good chance at working - it is extremely unconventional and probably something that Brainiac never had to deal with before.

Black Adam, Zatanna, Doctor Fate and maybe even Jinx if we feel like it could very well be a force that can deal major damage to him.
Jinx in particular, since her brand of magic will be particularly effectice against robots with so many moving parts in them.
The downside is that if my theory about Jinx's magic being chaos magic then Doctor Fate will probably not like it at all.
 
I think that a magical assault will have a good chance at working - it is extremely unconventional and probably something that Brainiac never had to deal with before.

Black Adam, Zatanna, Doctor Fate and maybe even Jinx if we feel like it could very well be a force that can deal major damage to him.
Jinx in particular, since her brand of magic will be particularly effectice against robots with so many moving parts in them.
The downside is that if my theory about Jinx's magic being chaos magic then Doctor Fate will probably not like it at all.
As far as I know magic is not unique to DC Earth. See Empire of Tears for example. Still magic team can prove to be very useful in case that magic is not very common in space. On the other hand I want to gather conventional hero team too to give Carol time to shine and move her into international stage. It would also be better for overall global superhero initiative, since magic is still supposed to be secret and magic team most likely would need to stay in the shadows.

Black Adam probably better to lead main hero team, unless we want to put Carol on it. I doubt that she can handle it though. Fate can go to either team he is magic powerhouse but depending on who we will find for magic team he may have trouble with some of them.

If needed we can easily find more magic users, by sending someone to Oblivion bar, but then magic team definitely would not be PR friendly. Not necessary though since no one is supposed to know of magic.
 
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Weaponized bad luck bombs sound terrifying, but I'm worried that it would be very difficult to store them (or rather, store them far away from anyone you don't hate), and that they would have a truly outstanding tendency to misfire, miss the target, or otherwise fail when fired at the enemy.
 
As far as I know magic is not unique to DC Earth. See Empire of Tears for example. Still magic team can prove to be very useful in case that magic is not very common in space. On the other hand I want to gather conventional hero team too to give Carol time to shine and move her into international stage. It would also be better for overall global superhero initiative, since magic is still supposed to be secret and magic team most likely would need to stay in the shadows.

Black Adam probably better to lead main hero team, unless we want to put Carol on it. I doubt that she can handle it though. Fate can go to either team he is magic powerhouse but depending on who we will find for magic team he may have trouble with some of them.

If needed we can easily find more magic users, by sending someone to Oblivion bar, but then magic team definitely would not be PR friendly. Not necessary though since no one is supposed to know of magic.

It has been established that Brainiac has experience with fighting lanterns, I'd not want Carol to be involved in this at all.

Magic is inherently chaotic and, according to lore, manifests differently in different people - Brainiac is guaranteed to be at least somewhat blindsided by it.

Regarding future plans for a future hero team, Carol is unfortunately not very much leader material.
She isn't bad but she doesn't have the same leadership qualities that someone like Superman or Batman have.
Even if we make our own team and appoint Carol as team leader, there is probably going to be a change of roles down the line.

For now we should consider what our strike force will look like, and as far as I can tell the main considerations for being included are strength (to an extent) how unorthodox a person they are (how likely or unlikely is Brainiac to have dealt with something similar) and how they are capable of working together (teamwork doesn't have to be flawless, but they should still be able to function as a coherent unit and avoid backstabbing one another)
 
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It has been established that Brainiac has experience with fighting lanterns, I'd not want Carol to be involved in this at all.

Magic is inherently chaotic and, according to lore, manifests differently in different people - Brainiac is guaranteed to be at least somewhat blindsided by it.

Regarding future plans for a future hero team, Carol is unfortunately not very much leader material.
She isn't bad but she doesn't have the same leadership qualities that someone like Superman or Batman have.
Even if we make our own team and appoint Carol as team leader, there is probably going to be a change of roles down the line.

For now we should consider what our strike force will look like, and as far as I can tell the main considerations for being included are strength (to an extent) how unorthodox a person they are (how likely or unlikely is Brainiac to have dealt with something similar) and how they are capable of working together (teamwork doesn't have to be flawless, but they should still be able to function as a coherent unit and avoid backstabbing one another)
Which is why I still want for Black Adam to lead main team. I don't want to discard Carol though. Things that work against Green Lantern not necessary work against Sapphire Lanterns plus she needs to be at least present at the final scene so we can PR her. Also QM here don't kill hero units without very sufficient reasons for it so we should be more or less safe.

Fate can fly and overall I am leaning toward keeping him on the main assault team, with most other magic users in support or long distance ranged attack modes.

As for the rest of assault team in Worldwide Hero Association sub-paragraph there is suggestion to outsource it on the team of experts. It is likely that we will have further input on it, but for now it is enough. I also think that it is better if Lex don't try to decide it all entirely by himself , but if there specific heroes that you want to include we can mention them too.

I'll also add magic user options into my main plan

Weaponized bad luck bombs sound terrifying, but I'm worried that it would be very difficult to store them (or rather, store them far away from anyone you don't hate), and that they would have a truly outstanding tendency to misfire, miss the target, or otherwise fail when fired at the enemy.
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