It's a Girl's World -- And Lilly wants Adventure

Ozzy is pretty much ubiquitous, but that is just indicative of our cultural obsession with taking every word and changing it to some other form (usually shorthand).
MacDonalds - Maccas
Sandwich- Sanga
Service Station - Servo
Afternoon - Arvo
Good day my friend - G'day mate. (more rural)
Friend/Acquaintance/Person/Asshole - Mate
Hey you - Oi
Australia - Down under
A Woman - Sheila (more rural)
Barbeque - barbie
Throw a shrimp on the barbie - If an Australian says this to you they are taking the piss.
Taking the Piss - Making fun of you.

In this particualr case;
Australian - Ozzy/Aussie/Ozzie
Don't feel bad, linguistic laziness has been a driving force behind the evolution of pretty much every branch of the English language for a long time. Well, except for those received pronunciation weirdos in the mother country, but that accent was artificially constructed by language coaches.
 
Hmm going to give a guess about who the Watch Traitor who may burn our house down is.
{Sebastian Waters}: "-matter of principle. Have our man in the Watch set the house ablaze when an opportunity presents itself. Make sure she's orphaned."
So what Waters wants is for our house and family to be burned down probably without any evidence hinting at foul play or any lucky escapes. So he thinks his spy can do this if given an opportunity. So to make sure our house (which probably has at least some anti-fire enchantments cause of Dad and his panic room) burns down so much we'll be homeless the spy would preferably have some sort of fire power and some power to make sure no one escapes.

And so my theory about who fits this bill is the following.
Moll Yannicks – Bulwark/Charger (Pithe)
I think it's Moll since while Marius has the big Mage Fire Balls who could probably burn our house and everyone in it he also seemed really fucked up after the battle with a missing arm and probably bad burns. He didn't die from those but I doubt he would be in condition to send Waters info about Lilly since Marius seemed to be the best healer the Watch had and I doubt he was in any condition to heal himself especially with Lilly also knocked out and unable to use Essence to pay any of the healing costs. Maybe Water's had Kaymie heal Marius and got info that way but I feel that's a unlikely since I doubt Waters would have come here if his spy didn't tell him about Lilly in which case that's a chicken and egg scenario of "Marius can't send info because he's hurt' and 'Waters won't be around to heal Marius without info'.


Anyways back to Moll and why I suspect him.
Moll adds to this as thin red strings of energy materialize around his vambraces. They rapidly inflate into thick chains (the kind you'd think may be used to anchor ships) and slide out through the air or plow into the ground around the barrier of lions.
First he has a chain power that can hold people down and provide an easy barrier to prevent people from escaping. He could just chain all our family individually or trap them in the house while he sets it on fire and accomplish the mission easily.

You think you might be getting the feel for frantic melees. You note Moll in your peripheral vision chopping the head off an Alpha with his now flaming blade while it was held to ground with those massively thick chains he'd summoned earlier.
And secondly as seen here Moll has the ability to set his sword on fire and probably has at least some other fire related abilities that would make engulfing our home in flames an easy task.

Now is this definite evidence that Moll is the traitor? Hell no I just make some assumptions about the powers Waters' spy would need to have for him to be confident at accomplishing this vile mission. We don't know anything about why Moll would follow Waters or anything about his personality really but for this hidden missions you kind of have to reach a little and I think this is not an insane stretch
 
You guys will like 'In Search of my Sister', it might give you an idea of the Theme Arc 2 is currently heading toward.

...Well, we've seen Valerie's and Mary's debut scenes showing what happens to people who underestimate her. If I had to guess, Act 2 is going be where Lilly gets her "big debut" as an overpowered force of nature. The final boss battle for the Act may not be against Waters himself, but if he sends a group of hunters that are "simply" fetching an Auron after Lilly's had a few weeks of actually being proactive in the pursuit of power...

Lilly: That's right, I'M the monster in the woods. They're gonna put MY name in graffiti! Children will come here and tell tales of ME!
 
So basically Lilly is the OP homebrew character who every DM hates and has her own special mechanics for everything.
Worse, we're the player that didn't just want to gestalt two classes, they insisted on doing half of them.

Actually, this is more like one of those CYOAs where we loaded up on 'the world is literally going to end and you're the only hope, have a million points, and god have mercy on your soul because you're going to need them' drawbacks.
 
I think it's more that the theme of the upcoming arc is 'Exploitation, and how people of power try to avoid being the victim but become the abuser instead'

Like, Marigold flagrantly baited these guys when it apparently would have been perfectly fine if she just asked for directions or made a fair trade or something since she lives in a shitty society and by saying the right magic words she implies she was available enough that a bunch of horny guys in the woods thought it was okay to move (Which doesn't excuse the fact they did, but the fact they would have defaulted to courteous if distant strangers if Marigold didn't outright push all of the "BTW I'm willing to pay with my body~~" cultural buttons). Valerie--I'm presuming since she was highly born in this fucking society--was probably under a literally insane amount of pressure to develop in a certain way until a spooky head ghost rolled in to offer her the ability to tell everyone else what to do instead, and now she's compounding atrocities constantly to run from the fact that she--personally--has become the monster she used to be terrified of.

And I imagine we'll find out that Waters is as much a product of his upbringing as he is naturally just a shitter, with people enabling his worst tendencies until they became his only tendencies, and the very idea of just... Doing something else just fell off the wagon.

So the question then is "How far is Lilly willing to go to be safe, and how many bodies is she willing to crawl over to get there" to match the theme of the arc, with us getting a snapshot of what a "COMPLETELY SAFE" Lilly would think and act like as the literal opening act. (And getting told that Mindstate Lilly would have functionally counted as a Bad End, even if she somehow physically survived the oncoming apocalypse)
 
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Finally, I was able to make out what looked to be a group of rangers making camp around a fantastic fire. Probably Parisians updating the border scry-stones in this region. Not necessarily the most welcoming folks; worth a try.

Btw just noticed that border scry-stones exist. Hopefully Marigold will be able to help us avoid too much attention from authority. Scry and die seems like it absolutely exists in this setting.
 
My guesses at the theme:

'Lilly, and killing human beings in self-defense'

'Lilly, and the ever-increasing scope of political repercussions'

'Lilly, and philosophizing on self-determination in a rigidly hierarchical society'

'Practical applications of the classic 1954 Japanese film, Seven Samurai'

'Learning why Mindstate Lilly had a point'

'The joys of unplanned road trips'

'Family: Can't live with 'em, can't live without 'em'

'Everything is the plant's fault. Which one? Yes'

On a scale from Princess Mononoke to Courage the Cowardly Dog, how well is your rural backwater home doing?'

'Actual class warfare'

'I love you, Chariot. You're my only real friend'

'Truth is, the game was rigged from the start'
 
It sounds like something Lilly needs is some sort of moral philosophy on when to use force. Complete pacifism in a hostile world gets you killed or worse, so that's not an option, but always applying force whenever there is anything to be gained by it makes you a monster.

It could be something as simple as 'use reasonable force when you or people you care about are in immediate danger', but it should be something.
 
It sounds like something Lilly needs is some sort of moral philosophy on when to use force. Complete pacifism in a hostile world gets you killed or worse, so that's not an option, but always applying force whenever there is anything to be gained by it makes you a monster.

It could be something as simple as 'use reasonable force when you or people you care about are in immediate danger', but it should be something.
We're going to have to explore this sort of thing, and sooner rather than later - [My Resolution, Thy Bedrock] practically demands it by its own nature, let alone that we really should be thinking about ethical considerations. So much to do, so little time...
 
Fuck ethical considerations, you've got a backlog of apocalypses to work through.
 
Pacifism in a world like this story's is hard without living in a peaceful area or lots and lots of personal power. Lilly might eventually have no choice but to judge whether she has to sacrifice her friends and family versus a ton of people to save one group or the other. A sort of kill one to save ten situation. As long as Lilly uses her fate-warping power well, she shouldn't be forced into a situation like that without outright malicious fate-warping interference. Nevertheless, if Lilly is as selfless and adventurous as I believe she is, assuming the power levels of her situation and enemies increase as she grows, she will be forced into situations like where saving X village here at the cost of not stopping the enemy will threaten and maybe even destroy towns and cities.
 
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Pacifism isn't in the cards, I'll settle with "Let's not create a spiraling chain of misery by creating more victims than we have to"
 
Btw as a complete wild crazy guess, I'm gonna guess the crazy event that will happen in the futire is aurora (the sun) disappearing from the sky permanently. Like maybe the maw eats her or she can't spare the expense while fighting it.
 
My guesses at the theme:

'Lilly, and killing human beings in self-defense'

'Lilly, and the ever-increasing scope of political repercussions'

'Lilly, and philosophizing on self-determination in a rigidly hierarchical society'

'Practical applications of the classic 1954 Japanese film, Seven Samurai'

'Learning why Mindstate Lilly had a point'

'The joys of unplanned road trips'

'Family: Can't live with 'em, can't live without 'em'

'Everything is the plant's fault. Which one? Yes'

On a scale from Princess Mononoke to Courage the Cowardly Dog, how well is your rural backwater home doing?'

'Actual class warfare'

'I love you, Chariot. You're my only real friend'

'Truth is, the game was rigged from the start'

Courier 6 doesn't have shit on Lilly.

It sounds like something Lilly needs is some sort of moral philosophy on when to use force. Complete pacifism in a hostile world gets you killed or worse, so that's not an option, but always applying force whenever there is anything to be gained by it makes you a monster.

It could be something as simple as 'use reasonable force when you or people you care about are in immediate danger', but it should be something.
Weren't there at least two votes on exactly this? Pretty sure defensive won both times.
 
There are going to be some pretty hefty decisions to be made at the end of 2.3
I am going to put up some of the relevant info for people that want to discuss and form plans ahead of time. There may be a few more posts over the next week or so, 2.3 is going to be a mothertrucker of a Chapter and it may be exhausting if you have to think through it all in one go.

First Post is on what direction you want to take [Towering Edifice to Heaven].
Boldly forward I go: You are changed in ways you still barely understand. For all that you know of this [Towering Edifice to Heaven] inside you, it only raises more questions. There is so much to learn, but you must focus on something. The future is uncertain, but you will not stop moving forward. (Lilly can progress in other fields, but this will influence her first preference.)
Recursive Projection:
Deepening my Domain and its impact on reality. Making myself a central fixture around which others orbit.
Dissolution: Lvl 1
The facet of Dissolution was null-space. The removal of all that preexists leaving only a bare foundation to build upon. I could learn how to pierce, degrade, remove, fracture, disorientate and jam reality around me. The Material world would simply melt into vapour when I desired so. In time, anything that ran against my goals could simply be willed into nonexistence.
Imposition: Lvl 1
The facet of Imposition was the capacity to make any pattern or structure viable. No matter how unstable or unwieldy, I could learn to make it permanent in time. Powers that were meant to be temporary could be slowly and inviolably imbued into the fabric of creation. More than that, I could take inspiration from the material world around me to construct a vast edifice of my own. Hidden within the Dreamspace and other places or wrought forth into reality.
Relations: Lvl 1
I have so much I don't want to lose. The facet of Relations was the ultimate safety net, the path to being able to bind literally anything to myself or each other. I could force powers that were unable to synergise with each other to function anyway. I could tie the lifeforce of others into myself so that none could pass from this life so long as I still drew breath. My little Dreamspace would unfold into a vast tapestry of souls.
Gravitas Weaving:
Expending parts of the Gravitas I have gathered out into the wider world in more prolific forms.
Artefacts: Lvl 2
The {Primordial Chassis} was only the beginning. Not only could I learn to grow it in entirely novel directions, but within the facet of Artefacts lay the path of extending several of my other powers into hyper-powerful forms of which I would have almost complete control of the final expression. Given time I could prepare specific artefacts to solve just about any problem.
Constructs: Lvl 1
I would take material, and make it better in every conceivable way. Magical items would never run out of power, runes would not lose their charge, potions effects would magnify instead of dwindle. More than this, the facet of Constructs could be split off from myself and become stable in its own right. I could divvy it out to those I trusted alongside weapons and armours beyond mortal kin. Even if I died, my gifts would remain.
Entities: Lvl 1
To make life. Even considering the responsibility was a heavy burden, yet here it was within my grasp. Through the facet of Entities, I could bud aspects of my own mind and goals off into copies and raise these facsimiles into almost any shape and purpose. They would not be mindless though, these things would likely not be as intelligent as humans, but I would be kidding myself to claim they were anything less than alive. I don't think this was mother's meaning when she said I should make new friends.

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I updated the thread description a little, mostly just with the direction we went by avoiding things like [Deviant Wanderer], [Nihilist Roots] or [Form Fracture].

So what do you call servos?
Servos. :p

It just struck me that not calling yourself wizards is something of a missed opportunity.
Given how quickly you can get there from Kansas, I don't think Oz is anywhere nearby.
If we want to go to a mystical fantasy land of unexplored wonder, we can just take a plane to New Zealand. (There's a reason they filled part of the Lord of the Rings there)

So basically Lilly is the OP homebrew character who every DM hates and has her own special mechanics for everything.
"Of course I can do a stealth attack with a fireball, my Ninja-Fire-Mage-Dwarf-Angel follows this supplementary addition's rules to the letter."
It will become more clear when you have a number of Ethea up in the Lvl 10 and 5 numbers, but Ethea affect Ethea. You don't have any direct Meta-powers yet, but your very nature is Meta.

Weren't there at least two votes on exactly this? Pretty sure defensive won both times.
Indeed. Her approach is settled unless Lilly experiences a failure she directly attributes to that style, in which case the question would come up again.
 
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Oh boy oh boy oh boy.

We're basically deciding Lilly's Long Term Progression Plans here, aren't we?

I... Guess that means the Big Reveal didn't lead to our immediate visit by friendly men with SCP badges then, huh? A good sign!

Just reading all of the stuff back there though, I'm thinking either Relations or Imposition for our Recursive Projection vote? Having a pocket plane of our own can only do good given the enormous pile of bullshit that's going on in Lilly's life--a bolthole she can pull friends and family into that's about as secure as can reasonably be expected.

On the other hand, Relations is very important for another reason. It denies the possibility that we can get fucked up by someone attacking Petal. If Petal can't die as long as Lilly lives, that eliminates a very large number of possible attack avenues from consideration. But better still would be bringing Petal into the Pocket Plane because Petal can still potentially be an attack vector for exotic powers as long as she's present to be attacked. This is probably harder however.

For Gravitas Weaving though... Hrm, I'm not certain honestly--the ability to spin off mindstates into allies we can influence is a very good way to make headway against the whole "You're grossly outnumbered", but it's also a very long term investment when we direly need greater power now. Constructs gives us leverage in the sense that we can actually distribute enhanced tools (And has considerable synergy with Lilly!Dad's crafting build I might add), but our primary focus right now is preparing our bug-out bag.

On the other hand, pushing for higher Artefacts sounds like it'd take greater amounts of 'XP' to get very far, even if it'd have more immediate relevance, I dunno! I can see why this is going to be a headache!
 
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Personally I think I'd definitely want Relations as the first focus for [Towering Edifice To Heaven], an ability to keep our friends and family from dying seems vital with what's coming down on us in the next few weeks and should work well with how hard Lilly is to kill between [Dream Within The Forest] and her Dungeon Core.
 
I will say though, learning this'll be another behemoth update gives me a sad, I was hoping that the next one would be ready before I started work again next week T_T

It'll be lovely when it comes though!
 
@Slyvena how should we read the post about Towering Edifice to Heaven:

1) Is all that was written all one option titled Boldly Forward I go and we will be given other big options to choose from?
2) Is it that we will need choose to focus on either Recursive Projection or Gravitas Weaving to the exclusion of the others?
3) Is it that we will have both branches and their separate leveled categories available but will need to choose which of those leveled ones we will focus on?
 
Oh boy oh boy oh boy.

We're basically deciding Lilly's Long Term Progression Plans here, aren't we?

I... Guess that means the Big Reveal didn't lead to our immediate visit by friendly men with SCP badges then, huh? A good sign!

Just reading all of the stuff back there though, I'm thinking either Relations or Imposition for our Recursive Projection vote? Having a pocket plane of our own can only do good given the enormous pile of bullshit that's going on in Lilly's life--a bolthole she can pull friends and family into that's about as secure as can reasonably be expected.

On the other hand, Relations is very important for another reason. It denies the possibility that we can get fucked up by someone attacking Petal. If Petal can't die as long as Lilly lives, that eliminates a very large number of possible attack avenues from consideration. But better still would be bringing Petal into the Pocket Plane because Petal can still potentially be an attack vector for exotic powers as long as she's present to be attacked. This is probably harder however.

For Gravitas Weaving though... Hrm, I'm not certain honestly--the ability to spin off mindstates into allies we can influence is a very good way to make headway against the whole "You're grossly outnumbered", but it's also a very long term investment when we direly need greater power now. Constructs gives us leverage in the sense that we can actually distribute enhanced tools (And has considerable synergy with Lilly!Dad's crafting build I might add), but our primary focus right now is preparing our bug-out bag.

On the other hand, pushing for higher Artefacts sounds like it'd take greater amounts of 'XP' to get very far, even if it'd have more immediate relevance, I dunno! I can see why this is going to be a headache!
I'm not really going to try to unpack all of this until I get home, but I'm not sure Petal would qualify as "others" in this case. Even if she did the physical loss of the prime tree would likely still set us back.
 
I'm not really going to try to unpack all of this until I get home, but I'm not sure Petal would qualify as "others" in this case. Even if she did the physical loss of the prime tree would likely still set us back.
Actually bringing her into the Dreamspace permanently would take levels in all three Recursive Projections (Dissolution to untether her, Imposition to move her, Relations to bind her), but Relations alone would allow for added defences at people attacking one of you through the other.

@Slyvena how should we read the post about Towering Edifice to Heaven:
1) Is all that was written all one option titled Boldly Forward I go and we will be given other big options to choose from?
2) Is it that we will need choose to focus on either Recursive Projection or Gravitas Weaving to the exclusion of the others?
3) Is it that we will have both branches and their separate leveled categories available but will need to choose which of those leveled ones we will focus on?

Each of the six categories are distinct and huge things rivaling an Ascendant Ethos in scope once grown. The whole section is one vote for which of the six you'll focus on first. Or people could do a write in to split their focus, but be careful stretching that or your progress would proceed at a snail's pace.

There are other important choices in 2.3, which I may put some of the info up for prior to the chapter.
 
Good to know!

So yeah, given our intentions, Recursive Projection looks to be the thing we have the most immediate need for given our current circumstances. But we'll see what the other options produce!

Man though, no fucking wonder Evie was all "This'll be tricky, but if she gets even one she'll be incredible".

Presumably, once it levels up, we expand the sorts of things it can do and glue another Source onto it, but we don't need to outright retrain our talents, right?
 
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