Actually bringing her into the Dreamspace permanently would take levels in all three Recursive Projections (Dissolution to untether her, Imposition to move her, Relations to bind her), but Relations alone would allow for added defences at people attacking one of you through the other.
So based on these and the general thematic resonance of Recursive Projection(really want to build our own dreamworld/demiplane) I'm strongly leaning towards that, probably Dissolution first to hopefully shore up some of our more esoteric defenses.
I think it's more that the theme of the upcoming arc is 'Exploitation, and how people of power try to avoid being the victim but become the abuser instead'
Like, Marigold flagrantly baited these guys when it apparently would have been perfectly fine if she just asked for directions or made a fair trade or something since she lives in a shitty society and by saying the right magic words she implies she was available enough that a bunch of horny guys in the woods thought it was okay to move (Which doesn't excuse the fact they did, but the fact they would have defaulted to courteous if distant strangers if Marigold didn't outright push all of the "BTW I'm willing to pay with my body~~" cultural buttons).
Consent isn't really a word used with any special meaning in medieval society, no more so than any other crimes. A woman traveling on her own with barely anything packed is practically advertising that she is planning to get by on trading something else instead (and everything about Marigold's demenour is designed to put them in that frame of mind). Mind you, any other woman would have been horrified if it jumped straight to Andrew's forceful approach, but that's partly on Marigold for deliberately goading him there; she was impatient.
If Lilly had of walked up to them in the night asking for directions or something, the group would have sent her on her way without much fuss. She's obviously capable of traveling on her own and not looking for a handout.
In fact they'd probably have been cordial even if she was asking for help, she's visibly young enough to fall outside the usual social paradigm that adult women do; it would be assumed no unspoken offers were on the table.
So I think you're stretching the quote a very tiny but somewhat important bit here. It does say that a woman alone and unprepared is more or less assumed to trading her body, which is shitty but you're correct that she knew exactly what she was getting into. The issue is they're only "courteous" and/or half-decent in this scenario because Lilly is too young to be socially acceptable/attractive(though not by much going off what happened to Marigold). Be thankful for small mercies eh?
I'm not denying that the guys who made the move deserved what was coming to them. I am pointing out that "She knew exactly where this was going, but for whatever reason decided to set up a big-ass morality play that she knew the outcome of instead of just acting pre-emptively and taking what she wanted anyway."
Though to be fair, it might just be that her Ethos is one that 'Scales to Target' (Hence the comment Slyvena made about it being really good against stronger opponent), giving her the power to avenge wrongs dealt to her but giving her no power to act proactively (Hence the reading mister Concordance had was that her threat rating was insignificant--until they committed to the Badness it was). So that even if she goes "Yeah like most men, these are rapist scum who'll try to take me if I approach them", the nature of her power is such that she has to invite the attack before she can punish it.
It does stand her in good credit at least that she didn't kill the one guy who didn't stand up to her... But I'm curious as to how much of that is a matter of her own personal "You're a good boi, you get to live" and how much is a factor of "I literally can't harm someone who's done no harm to me--or has not committed to doing me harm". She established at the very end that she is in no way squeamish about killing people, and leaving a survivor behind--telegraphing she's here hurts what's supposedly her primary motivation by revealing that Blood Mary is literally in this area at this specific moment of time, which invites adventurer and official reaction depending on how many people she's actually scythed through by now. (Given how she has a nickname, that answer is presumably "Lots!")
There were methods I could use to get what I needed far more reliably than this social dance I insisted on doing. But I didn't consider that sort of manipulation to be moral.
So regardless of how exactly her power works or why she scales against more powerful opponents so well, I don't think her Ethos is reactive in nature, that's just something personal.
TL;DR: She wasn't wrong in her whole turmabout to a bad situation, but the whole issue came out because she'd prefer to kill people and take their stuff rather than settle with rations or actually make even rudimentary preparations for a long trip to the wild. Like dressing warmly and bringing food she can tolerate eating.
Also, as was confirmed at the end, she didn't need much more than a top-up for her supplies since she mostly just picked up a few more rations and some minor bits and bobs, the biggest gain from her apparently was the sustenance she got from murdering the people in the camps--and based on her inner dialogue early on, it's not the first time she's done it in this trip alone, she used the same words referring to her discomfort earlier as she did the increase of her firepower, and she was all "Yeah that'll do me good for a while yet" at the end before she even started grabbing supplies.
I mostly agree with you here, but given how she kept going on about "getting her heat up" I'm not even sure normal preparations and supplies would do much for her, at least not nearly as much as most people. It's not(just) that she "prefers" what she did. She certainly seems psychologically if not physically dependent on her ethos.
The real problem is the society is so fucked up that she can reliably justify mass murder with an Ethos that's apparently purely reactive in nature. That she's gotten it down to a system where she can invite rapists in so she can kill them and everyone who tries to defend them, and that it works with disturbing regularity.
That literally nobody travelling in the woods sees a lone woman without supplies and takes pity on them, and instead just sees a chance to get some nookie, that's disgusting, because it turns what would be a mass murdering serial killer in virtually any other setting into something justified.
This entire society is fucked, I want it to be better. I just don't want it to come at the cost of Lilly and her friends and family.
So, a few things here. I mostly agree with you, whatever her origins she's now a predator who very much enjoys what she does, and in an ideal world would get some very serious mental help for quite some time, not being a doctor I can't imagine how you'd even begin even before you factor in the Ethos induced behavior.
But she started down this road being violently and brutally raped on her thirteenth birthday, apparently with the full consent of her parents and community.
Accept, Marigold, and the beatings will never hurt again. A small cost now, then no more pain; only the sweet throbbing heat
She almost certainly hasn't received any form of mental healthcare if such a thing even exists in this world(probably only through specialized, prized, expensive, and difficult to even find ethea if so) and probably has severe PTSD just to start along with a very justified grudge she's never been able to properly deal with. This is before you even get into her ethea which not only rewards and incentivizes her for what she does with further growth and power, but seems to have seriously warped her perceptions. The beatings don't hurt, the lust and violence seem to giver her an almost literal high, a very strong adrenaline rush at the least. So on top of the hideous trauma inflicted at a very young and formative age that's never healed, you now have a powerful, possibly magical addiction/compulsion. I don't condone her actions(even if it took so very, very little for a group of adult men to attempt to gangrape her), and I am worried about the consequences of her patron's long term plans and her demeanor for Lilly, but I honestly don't think anyone could do any better in her circumstances and I do feel sorry for her.
Lvl 8: {Reborn in her Currents} Tier 13 "The second birth is a poor imitation of the first. That which delivered us to our mortal homes."
- Lifeblood
- 'Family' Tree
My guesses for potential long term traveling partners are first Marigold, since while I feel like Lilly will feel fairly conflicted, I believe Lilly will prefer Marigold being in her view vs not. And I think Lilly will empathize with her. Next I'd imagine Kaymie, though we will have to rescue her first. Myah seems like an obvious choice as a friend, though I'm unsure how powerful her ethos is (not that thats the only thing that matters though). Also depending on how inverted ethos work and good luck, I'd generally imagine Zach to stay beside us.
I don't think most of our family will stay beside us forever for the simple reason that I don't think its a good lifestyle for them. Mom and Dad aren't really all that suited to being adventurers and really no one in our family is actually ready to go out adventuring yet (including Lilly). I strongly suspect Zach will stay with us since Inverted Ethos get hunted down by authorities but it will be a hard decision for him I'd imagine.
Hmmm if not for Zach we'd actually have a potential all girl squad.
So I think you're stretching the quote a very tiny but somewhat important bit here. It does say that a woman alone and unprepared is more or less assumed to trading her body, which is shitty but you're correct that she knew exactly what she was getting into. The issue is they're only "courteous" and/or half-decent in this scenario because Lilly is too young to be socially acceptable/attractive(though not by much going off what happened to Marigold). Be thankful for small mercies eh?
Well... it sounds like there's the added complication that most men in the setting are aware that a nontrivial fraction of all women have Ethoi that make them quite capable of "handling themselves," as it were.
A woman alone is not, in this culture, automatically assumed to be a target for sexual aggression, or to be offering to trade her body for protection and sustenance... if she's bearing certain signifiers. Among these signifiers might be:
1) Upper-class clothing and demeanor (marking someone with a powerful Ethos, high social status, or both)
2) Supplies and equipment suitable for wilderness travel (suggesting that they do this a lot, and can protect themselves)
3) Weapons and protective gear (see previous)
4) A wary or defensive posture in which the woman keeps her distance from strange men (signalling that she is aware of, and does not consent to, the commonly implicit "trade")
5) Conversely, an appearance and presentation extremely alien to the norm (but while this may not make them a target for sexual aggression, it marks them as 'dangerous' and potentially some kind of horrific supervillain, thus backfiring).
As per standard rape culture attitudes, a woman who isn't carrying these signifiers will often be seen as a target by default and actively assumed to be encouraging such treatment. (YUCK).
Lilly can hopefully avoid such treatment by conspicuously making use of (2), (3), and optionally (4) or maybe (1)... Well, that or we can just feed the bastards to Marigold I guess.
Evie definitely entered the story with some big Kyubey energy, stepping in when Lilly was in a desperate situation and basically going, "Make a contract with me!" Not to mention the whole mindstate stuff. It's just Evie got thrown into the Death Star shaft by her own chibi version so it's all okay for now.
On another crazy speculation maybe Zach is trans. I admittedly have no evidence of this other than me wanting an all magical girl squad, but it seems possible.
Dissolution: Lvl 1
The facet of Dissolution was null-space. The removal of all that preexists leaving only a bare foundation to build upon. I could learn how to pierce, degrade, remove, fracture, disorientate and jam reality around me. The Material world would simply melt into vapour when I desired so. In time, anything that ran against my goals could simply be willed into nonexistance.
nonexistence not nonexistance. I'm pretty sure Ozzie can't save you from this one Sly
The breaking down the surrounding area to make room for a dungeon power. Basically the erase tool in a sandbox game that allows you to wipe away entire mountains in seconds. A terrifying ability to give to a mortal even if likely lacks the power to do the former feat. Besides it's obvious use in breaking everything I think for us personally the ability to melt the land into a blank area is very useful giving how Water's can set up 'his' land somehow so us just erasing all that prep would counter him pretty hard.
Imposition: Lvl 1
The facet of Imposition was the capacity to make any pattern or structure viable. No matter how unstable or unwieldy, I could learn to make it permanent in time. Powers that were meant to be temporary could be slowly and inviolably imbued into the fabric of creation. More than that, I could take inspiration from the material world around me to construct a vast edifice of my own. Hidden within the Dreamspace and other places or wrought forth into reality.
The dungeon creation tool that allows you to make physically impossible structures that look really cool. Creation Mode was not meant to be in mortal hands mostly because we're shit at making stuff look good. Anyways this seems primarily for making our own Castle home that we carry in Dreamspace and drop it down for the night. Maybe has some use for duping some important materials like Gold or Mithril would also be useful. Overall I'm not too interested in this power.
Relations: Lvl 1
I have so much I don't want to lose. The facet of Relations was the ultimate safety net, the path to being able to bind literally anything to myself or each other. I could force powers that were unable to synergise with each other to function anyway. I could tie the lifeforce of others into myself so that none could pass from this life so long as I still drew breath. My little Dreamspace would unfold into a vast tapestry of souls.
The Dungeon respawn system? How the Dungeon controls and acts through its monsters? How the Dungeon gives boons and connects to adventures? Not sure how it fits the dungeon system like the previous two powers tbh. Anyways a very nice support ability of protecting our family should the worst happen as well synergy stuff which is our bread and butter. My only worry is that focusing on this will make us weaker than we could be. Since better to be powerful to not need a safety net than to have one and be weak enough to die and lose everything anyways.
Artefacts: Lvl 2
The {Primordial Chassis} was only the beginning. Not only could I learn to grow it in entirely novel directions, but within the facet of Artefacts lay the path of extending several of my other powers into hyper-powerful forms of which I would have almost complete control of the final expression. Given time I could prepare specific artefacts to solve just about any problem.
Artefacts are pretty sweet in have a tool for every situation kind of way though I currently don't have any real idea what we would make. My only worry would be it's an expensive and slow path and that there's apparently an artefact number limit.
Constructs: Lvl 1
I would take material, and make it better in every conceivable way. Magical items would never run out of power, runes would not lose their charge, potions effects would magnify instead of dwindle. More than this, the facet of Constructs could be split off from myself and become stable in its own right. I could divvy it out to those I trusted alongside weapons and armours beyond mortal kin. Even if I died, my gifts would remain.
Wait Constructs aren't dungeon monsters? B-but Rapid Iterator refers to its monsters as constructions and how they shouldn't be sentient or able to breed so wth? Whatever apparently Constructions refers to enchantments instead. So we can buff objects for both ourselves and our allies. Very useful if we can get the Watch on our side and our family given Dad's specialty. I wonder if we could buff Heartstaff with this?
Entities: Lvl 1
To make life. Even considering the responsibility was a heavy burden, yet here it was within my grasp. Through the facet of Entities, I could bud aspects of my own mind and goals off into copies and raise these facsimilies into almost any shape and purpose. They would not be mindless though, these things would likely not be as intelligent as humans, but I would be kidding myself to claim they were anything less than alive. I don't think this was mother's meaning when she said I should make new friends.
The actual make dungeon monster friends power. I like the ability to buff our numbers but I'm not sure how powerful they'll be to start with and whether we can count on them actually obeying us since Tower had domestication be not tolerated much which could influence this power. I'm not saying we have to worry about being attacked by our own creations just that I'm not sure if they'll play nice with our allies even if we tell them to.
I don't expect Marigold to be a long term association myself, at least not in the sense that we should rely on her. She's Flower's creature, and Flower has seemed... Less than accomodating to viewpoints that go against their tastes.
We'll definitely have to see how meeting Marigold shakes out, I think she'll be on board for the Waters arc at the very least, after that is very much up in the air, but with how much shit seems to be going on at the same time I wouldn't be surprised if we ended up sticking together for self-defence. We don't really know what Flower's deal is either yet, she pointed Evie at the ability to give us demi-god powers after all, so who knows what her big plan is.
I don't expect Marigold to be a long term association myself, at least not in the sense that we should rely on her. She's Flower's creature, and Flower has seemed... Less than accomodating to viewpoints that go against their tastes.
...Flower has tastes? All that we've really seen of their interests are:
They are opposing the Colossi (which may be a Maw thing or just another weaver)
They let Evie jump into Lilly (which may have been to help our survival, but it's unclear whether the Mindstate was part of the Flower's reasoning)
They pressured Sarah into thinking that having a daughter was The Biggest Deal (kind of scummy, but we don't know the reasoning)
They gave Marigold her Ethos, and told her to come and protect us.
They have a really long and extravagent title per the Artifact.
In my mind, there's a possibility that we'll be "working along" with the Flower for the same reason Jon Snow worked with the Lord of Light against the White Walkers: yes, they generally would rather not have anything to do with each other, but when your mutual foe is total oblivion, beggars can't be choosers.
In regards to the big six. It probably also pays to think of how combinations of two could work together as well for your long term goals (I see some of you already have).
Two obvious examples:
Relations and Entities for some insanely alien cooperative creations.
Imposition and Dissolution for the ultimate "I'm rubber and you're glue, boing fwip".
Could we create new structures to gather and store whatever energy/potential/other resource was required?
On the other hand, maybe we could do the same thing with an appropriate artifact.
Or in the alternative, make Cleaver far more efficient so the same amount went much further.
Both Imposition and Artefacts would have ways to broaden {Sample Space}. Artefacts more for extending possible Potential Buildup; Imposition for loosening its more abstract restrictions (such as making it more effective at taking into account interference from other Concordance powers/etc)
There's a bonus if you haven't unlocked many and a malus if you've already unlocked a lot. Barring special circumstances, 5-7 each time should be pretty standard.
Wait Constructs aren't dungeon monsters? B-but Rapid Iterator refers to its monsters as constructions and how they shouldn't be sentient or able to breed so wth?
When I say better in every way, I mean it. Cogitating Materials are possible, cheaper than actual life too, though greatly limited. More like preprogramed automatons (be they bio/metal/etc), lacking any ability to innovate or grow on their own. Non-living sentience is against the rules and any dungeon that does that is a bad-boy. You could, hypothetically, with Essence and this, lobotomize a couple hundred wolves' connections to their own nervous systems and install your own control network while also stimulating gross mutations throughout the body to rapidly iterate them into some kind of monster a young peasant girl would dub an 'Alpha'. Hypothetically of course. The wolf's mind would still be in there and in constant tremendous pain looking through a body it no longer controlled, but you could use that pain as additional fuel for other magics if you happened to have Flow. But it's not like anyone would do that right?
...Now we're thinking like a System Administrator. And that's terrifying.
I mean, up until this point, our nightmare in terms of Lilly's mentality was either the Maw corrupting her thought processes, or things like the Mindstate totally removing all emotional value in the pursuit of efficiency. But now I'm considering another potential source of value drift: the Tower. Not like intentionally inducing a god complex in anyone who uses it, mind you, but in processing how much it can do and how simply it can do it.
Using an alchemical transmutation circle to turn lead into gold at least gives the impression of deep research and the spending of magic and materials, balancing out the costs and benefits and valuing it accordingly. But if a Tower command is able to generate gold out of thin air, and one realizes that all scarcity is effectively artificial, one could start losing sight of the emotional weight things used to have. What if we could just "erase" Lord Waters one day? No chains of Concordance, no arrays of Essence, just simply specifying a particular 3d space and "replace with oxygen"? And that's not even going into what happens when Lilly starts figuring out the "purpose" behind Ethos and dungeons, and finding out that the "angels" care about as much for humanity's well-being as the "devils."
The cosmic horror is not that some alien entity believes that everything you hold dear is ephemeral and pointless. The real cosmic horror is getting to sit in its chair, pull up the command prompts, and slowly start reaching the same conclusion.
She almost certainly hasn't received any form of mental healthcare if such a thing even exists in this world(probably only through specialized, prized, expensive, and difficult to even find ethea if so) and probably has severe PTSD just to start along with a very justified grudge she's never been able to properly deal with. This is before you even get into her ethea which not only rewards and incentivizes her for what she does with further growth and power, but seems to have seriously warped her perceptions. The beatings don't hurt, the lust and violence seem to giver her an almost literal high, a very strong adrenaline rush at the least. So on top of the hideous trauma inflicted at a very young and formative age that's never healed, you now have a powerful, possibly magical addiction/compulsion. I don't condone her actions(even if it took so very, very little for a group of adult men to attempt to gangrape her), and I am worried about the consequences of her patron's long term plans and her demeanor for Lilly, but I honestly don't think anyone could do any better in her circumstances and I do feel sorry for her.
My Resolution, Thy Bedrock is useful for more than healing Dad's possession, for more than removing mind control from both Lilly and Valerie.
Pertaining to Marigold, I will not be surprised in the slightest if it will potentially allow Lilly to evoke Marigold's mentality from before she obtained her Ethos, and/or help with other psychological problems. Same with Kaymie and probably other traumatized people.
My reading of MRTB is that it's exceedingly helpful in terms of proper restoration. And I'm not just speaking about mental state - I suspect that returning one's body to healthy state would also be within its purview.
I mean, I'm still in favor of working on the first category for now at least, if only because it's the one that most closely addresses our immediate problems restricting a bug-out play
Unless there's like, some necromonger shit where you keep what you kill in this society, and thus if we can goomba stomp Waters we gain his title. But I don't think we're so lucky.
You could, hypothetically, with Essence and this, lobotomize a couple hundred wolves' connections to their own nervous systems and install your own control network while also stimulating gross mutations throughout the body to rapidly iterate them into some kind of monster a young peasant girl would dub an 'Alpha'. Hypothetically of course. The wolf's mind would still be in there and in constant tremendous pain looking through a body it no longer controlled, but you could use that pain as additional fuel for other magics if you happened to have Flow. But it's not like anyone would do that right?
I kind of regret not trying any of the 'save the wolves' options because that's fucked up but sadly that would had probably had gotten us killed or worse so I'll just have to be content with ending their suffering. Maybe if we run into some Rapid Iterator stuff again and it's alone and weak enough we can try performing the Essence surgery we did on our dad on them. Would be a nice way to get some animal friends even if a bit dangerous.
We did end the Wolves suffering right? RI didn't just store their tormented souls with Relations right?
I actively began giving {Collective Communion} full autonomy and universal permissions while attempting to decode part of my own mindstate to a level a human could retain.
Milly or Mindy (Which is a better name for Mindstate Lilly? Milly is just Lilly's name with an M not L, but Mindy is nowhere close to Lilly's name ergo nowhere close to Lilly) gave {Collective Communion} full autonomy and universal permissions but to what? I'm thinking if it's not restoring autonomy and permissions that {Collective Communion} had, then it's for accessing [Towering Edifice to Heaven]. Or maybe allowing it access to Lilly's Ethea and powers?
Unless there's like, some necromonger shit where you keep what you kill in this society, and thus if we can goomba stomp Waters we gain his title. But I don't think we're so lucky.
Nah. The behavior of that Noble and his retinue demonstrated a well rooted sense of entitlement.
One that will hardly come from a culture that practices Klingon Promotion - that kind of thing would instead instill a sense of awareness of one's nominal lessers, lest they make a play for your position at an inopportune time.
Nah. The behavior of that Noble and his retinue demonstrated a well rooted sense of entitlement.
One that will hardly come from a culture that practices Klingon Promotion - that kind of thing would instead instill a sense of awareness of one's nominal lessers, lest they make a play for your position at an inopportune time.
Hmm. What if Legend is based on following patterns from the past? Like, Marigold's Ethos may be unique, but is based on an archetype of a "spirit of bloody vengeance" that this culture probably has stories for. If our research leads us to finding stories of past legends with similar powersets, one could gain power by following their example.
Hmm. What if Legend is based on following patterns from the past? Like, Marigold's Ethos may be unique, but is based on an archetype of a "spirit of bloody vengeance" that this culture probably has stories for. If our research leads us to finding stories of past legends with similar powersets, one could gain power by following their example.
Both Imposition and Artefacts would have ways to broaden {Sample Space}. Artefacts more for extending possible Potential Buildup; Imposition for loosening its more abstract restrictions (such as making it more effective at taking into account interference from other Concordance powers/etc)
Hmmm. Would Imposition of Intent, of which sub-power Sample Space is, maybe benefit from Imposition beyond Sample Space if we manage to unlock other sub-powers belonging to it? Their descriptions (and names) at least sound quite synergistic:
Imposition: Lvl 1
The facet of Imposition was the capacity to make any pattern or structure viable. No matter how unstable or unwieldy, I could learn to make it permanent in time. Powers that were meant to be temporary could be slowly and inviolably imbued into the fabric of creation. More than that, I could take inspiration from the material world around me to construct a vast edifice of my own. Hidden within the Dreamspace and other places or wrought forth into reality.
Imposition of Intent: This makes me feel powerful. My Will becomes more important than whats possible.
-Sample Space: For the briefest moment, I become amazing, the best version of myself that performs an impossible fluke of excellence. With practice and patience, maybe I could grow both the reach and flexibility of such a power.
Relations-Artifacts: Who says Lilly is the only one who can get her stats boosted? Find an off-switch for Myah's death essence, expand Yolun's Iterative Perfection to other forms of magical research, give Petal [In Thy Likeness] to go full dryad if someone disturbs her beauty sleep. Let's turn our rag-tag group of misfits into the Avengers.
Low Level Constructs: Hello alchemy, so good of you to join us. Later magical enhancements will require some research, but there's always a market for mundane crafting. Turn rusted axe-heads and sword into brand-new ones! Turn boring old fruit starch and fiber into quality parchment! Make the guilds curse the name of Silas Smithing & Carpentry (name pending)!
Relations-Entities: "Hey, Lilly, are you trying to replicate my clotlings? Here, let me show you...ooh, let's see if we can throw in some of Myah's death essence in there, that'll be a treat!"
Low Level Dissolution: "The lock to Water's treasury is locked with an adamantium padlock. This requires a key which is always on Water's person, a passphrase which changes every 3 days, and a copy of Water's soul signature. ....Aaaand it's gone, let's move."
Low Level Imposition: "This brick I'm placing in front of the door is now a Permanent object. For the next hour, the brick's existence is tied to the underpinnings of reality; it cannot be moved or destroyed unless I remove the definition. Now, back to raiding Lord Water's treasury, we can deal with the guards when we're good and ready."
Relations-Artifacts: Who says Lilly is the only one who can get her stats boosted? Find an off-switch for Myah's death essence, expand Yolun's Iterative Perfection to other forms of magical research, give Petal [In Thy Likeness] to go full dryad if someone disturbs her beauty sleep. Let's turn our rag-tag group of misfits into the Avengers.
Artefacts can be given to other people, our first one is just currently unstable. Probably fixable with just pumping more gravitas into it (though I kinda doubt we wanna give away artefacts in general).
The Primordial Chassis is not a fully stabilized Artefact and as such cannot be removed from nor gifted by its current holder to another host.
I somehow managed to miss the red ziggy line through the whole writing, copying and pasting process.
