It's a Girl's World -- And Lilly wants Adventure

Considering how we found out about Valerie. Someone who had a month's head start, and was heading straight for us.
It took her less then a day to reach us after we got both [Tower] and [Bedrock].
In that context, the mindstate-Lilly opting to burn all the bridges and run away as fast as she can to be incapable of being tracked makes a lot of sense. Right? The knowledge that Valerie is rushing towards you as fast as she can.

But whew, Lilly made it out. Beat Valerie and only lost one member of her family. I noticed that the defensive mindstate contributed to that, Lilly going to warn her not to do anything instead of going straight for her eyes. Which gave Valerie just enough time to make Micha go pinata.
 
Instead of simply being a mistake on the author's part.
This one :p

That reminds me @Slyvena did eating that heart boost Lilly's uplifted vessel.
The Vision wasn't related to your Domain that way. But it does alter the formula and other things for [Shine] when I get 2.5 Spreadsheet out.

I think what Ev'acllial (spelling probably wrong but you know who I mean)
I'm honestly loving all the derivatives and nicknames people have come up with.

Which gave Valerie just enough time to make Micha go pinata.
Or a watermelon left in the back of a hot car...
 
I notice that Petal has reached SH in Sync. This new exploration of the power could it push it into EH?

The sync going from Super high, to Extremely high, to Ascendant. Unless EX and A only apply to the source sheet to the right. Just a little bit closer to EX. Some of the Essence powers are very close to reaching SH.

If anything pushes [Forest]'s sync into EX it'd be the doubling of the soulbond, since that is the end design of this power.. on another note, making as many soul-links as possible would push it closer to its ideal.

But the [Forest] has something called {Wild affinity} which hints that humans aren't included, it counts plant life and nature a lot more then humans in this connection. Perhaps using Major Relations to upgrade wild affinity into life affinity. Expand its limits to include civilization and all forms life can take. Even non-essence things as Evie.

On another another note. One of the secret Challenges is likely to be to puzzle out the destinations for the other Ethos' we have. Things no mortal should know.

On another another another note. Soul bond to Evie may hold benefits towards {Uplift Vessel}, since there is a mention of how it makes Lilly feel above the world, like how Evie is.
 
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I notice that Petal has reached SH in Sync. This new exploration of the power could it push it into EH?

More importantly, it'll get us up to 10/10 Grasp, which means...

Btw, [Dream] hitting Max Sync has locked it in to that level unless something knocks it out and will give a benefit next [Dream] level up. Having Sync and Grasp at Max when [Dream] levels gives an even more significant bonus
 
One of the options for upgrading Lilly when she got the tower was to be {Will Embodied}. I think that is what Evie and Aboleth are. Likely Aurora as well.
At least the way they interact with our world. They hold no essence, they aren't exactly physically here. They need an anchor. {Will Embodied} or something analogous to it.

As for Valerie, is that right that her ethos is called [Will Winnower]? Cause that sounds like going {Core Heart} and [Uplift Vessle} allowed us to dodge a bullet.
Edit: Nevermind, easy enough to check. [Will Winnower] isn't something Slyvena invented. Rather it's Silverkings invention.


Damn, now I really want to get [Cleaver]'s, [Bedrock]'s, [Blood]'s, and [Shine]'s sync way up asap.

Clever is simple enough, Lilly putting her own wants above all, she desires there to be peace, so shall Lilly cleave fortune to bring peace. Or her family healed, or victory in battle. Being aware of what she wants and obtaining it. Lilly standing above the world and deciding is course.

Brave is all about adventure. Charge in, be reckless, be true to your desires and chase after them with your all. What the heart wants.

Shine seems all about being a beacon for the strong and meek to flock to, to shepard them towards being as righteous as you. To win fights not through brawn, but rather words. To oppose villains and flip their hearts righteous. Set the world alight and burn the darkness to sunder.
By Lilly's radiant brilliance that comes from her being better than everyone :V.

Bedrock seems like being sturdy, unchanging, unflinching, your will unwavering, your resolution carrying everyone's burdens. You are their safety. From restoration to preventing harm in the first place.
 
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I think {Objective Awareness} and its sub-powers are meant for operating magic and artificer devices. Quickly get a sense of how they operate, their condition, how they are meant to be used, and if it's an worn and damaged artifact how to safely use it.
It feels like they will be especially useful with {Tremendous Mechanist} supporting it and vice versa.
Stutter ping can instantly give a 3d image, it also has a note about looking deepr which I suspect means at its enchantments, of an device un-intusively and mechanist can give perfect understanding from that. Objective awareness extrapolate practical applications.

Applies to mundane things as well. Like adventuring gear, horse gear, camping tools. Using what you have optimally. Not that Lilly needs the help, or such mundane trinkets.

It'd be amazing for playing instruments, since it would feed Lilly how to play the device.
I wonder if tremendous mechanist overlaps there...
Mechanist for example makes Lilly draw runes perfectly.

Could objective awareness apply to using the leavers and gears of the great flow conduct was well?


Lily had {Prefect Proprioception}. It makes Lilly able to perfectly mimick any action and power manipulation that is done within her domain.
If Lilly enchanted an necklace with essence metabolism while it was engulfed in domain... Could she mass-produce it really fast? Speed up the production of enchanted objects. First time putting it all together takes time, but second and third she can cheat.
Outfit her militia with all sorts of buffs, like rest state, open core, and more.


I wonder. Could Lilly claim the space she is healing at and use {The World Beneath} to turn the area more dreamlike, to apply some legend based pressure onto the current events?
Pull the dream closer.
 
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Woah. I just thought of something. Based on the description of how Hybrid Siphon works, that sounds suspiciously similar to the Maw's recontexualizer vortex that Evie mentioned "repurposing". I think that was at least one of the results of "repurpose maw bits into more placid components".
In fact, a recontextualizer-vortex had just begun its work, so the first thing I did was smash its foundations out from under it. I couldn't actually stop it, if I tried it would simply mutate into untraceable filaments. Instead, I needed to reconfigure it in such a way that it didn't realise it was no longer serving its progenitor's goals.
It is like some kind of maw, a suctioning whirlpool that can remove the presence of just about any concept given enough time.
 
Yes, that was discussed before: Evie repurposed the Recontextualiser Vortex into the {Hybrid Syphon}
Though that really raises the question what the Vortex was meant to do and whether there's one of those in Valerie.
 
It was called a {soul maw} on the character sheet, possibly munch on Lilly's soul?
Or alternatively, have Lilly's soul much on other things to grow even bigger.

I never understood what the [Maw] is, I know it's a source on the character sheet. But that's about it. Why was changing the maw picked over other things, like jumpstarting Lilly to divinity right away?
 
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I never understood what the [Maw] is, I know it's a source on the character sheet. But that's about it.
We don't know much directly. In the interlude where Evie joins us it's suggested that it's viewed as a greater threat that has gotten the Angels, Devils, "and more interesting sorts" to join together on the same side. I've assumed it's the endgame/biggest threat that's looking to just destroy everything but that's just my hypothesis in absence of more concrete information.
 
Yeah, we really don't know what the Maw is.

If I had to guess, it's some sort of cosmic counterbalance invoked by the Melange Project as a whole, because if you will recall, the angels and devils were evenly matched in the Before Times.

What really has me confused is why this is so.
 
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well, whoops. darn, the one time i thought i had an original peice of useful insight.
no worries, it's a long-ass thread so just keep posting!

Personally I'm gonna assume that the Recontextualizer Vortex would've fucked with Flower's Divine Fragment in some way, since Colossi and Flower were actively fighting for influence over us and Colossi was winning until Flower cleared the way for Evie to hop over to us.
 
Hmm, it is true that there seems to be something... funny going on about the 'higher beings'. At least based on the few we have any experience with, I think they at least partly exist on the conceptual level. Which might make any conflict between them... unusual. They can clearly engage each other in some fashion, but it is also apparent that said conflict probably doesn't resemble anything familiar. It might be more of an ideological conflict than any kind of physical one. One where corrupting and turning your opponents is the basic form of attack rather than harming them, which would keep the overall numbers somewhat steady. Beyond that, if the Gods exist conceptually and have uncountable avatars, direct battles between them are practically guaranteed to be either pointless or too costly to be worth it. How does one kill the concept of death? Do you even want to, even if they are a jerk, knowing that it would create a ridiculous knot from the fact that death couldn't die while death was dead?
 
I would assume that you kill a concept by using concept targeting attacks. They've been mentioned in the story before.

Anyways, I'd just chalk it up to more spirit shenanigans, the well established trademark of this quest,
 
Non-Canon Omake: The View from the Back of the Line
You'll likely be cracking some of the mysteries behind the higher cosmic conflict over the next few weeks and the role people like you, Marigold and Valerie/etc play in that. Without knowing how, you are currently running into direct consequences of this being the 7th Era and the greater stage that it is being played out on.
The Threat is far off, but it is also already here.

...You know, I wonder what's happening in the background as all this is going down. Let me take a wild guess.

The View from the Back of the Line

Crowley: Well, look who's back in the Outer Planes. Gosh, you look miserable. I mean, I've been dechored before, but being dechored AND getting spat out of the Melange Layer? Yeesh.

Aboleth: Crowley, where is everyone? I've tried looking up most of my other contacts, but they're not in any of the regular meeting places.

Crowley: Oh, that's right. You didn't get any updates on what was happening back here while you were below, did you, "Abby"?

Aboleth: …How did you hear that name?

Crowley: Oh, your little scheme's been getting a lot of attention, Aboleth. Sure, you had some defenses against Concordance tracking, but those don't count as much for blocking the view from up here. Heck, if you had actually pulled it off, you might have gotten enough clout to be one of the Big Bosses. Pity that your methodology was garbage.

Aboleth: …Excuse me?

Crowley: Well, you started with a rich noble daughter, which makes some sense. The right allocation of resources could have been used to prepare a fallout shelter with all the fixings. But then you threw away the actual "advantages" in hopes of making the ultimate self-sufficient vessel. I swear, Aboleth, I thought even you would know that's a pipe dream. And devolving her identity to the point where it needs maintenance every few hours? One bad nightmare where she doesn't have enough awareness to wake up in time and the mental state would have collapsed on you, and you KNOW that spirits can't be the primary for piloting a meat-puppet without ringing alarm bells.

Aboleth: It would have worked! …I…miscalculated. I don't understand; how did Ev'aclliál secure a vessel before I did? Something must have happened to her shortly before we fought; it was like she had pinholed down merely days ago.

Crowley: Nah, you still got out first by a wide margin. It's just the Golden Girl has been rolling the dice, playing the big hero, and earning gravitas like nobody's business.

Aboleth: …Golden Girl?

Crowley: That's the nickname that some of the folks in the betting pool have been calling her. I hope you don't mind that I bet against you in that fight. By the way, I'd avoid that area if I were you. A lot of spirits are a bit sore about losing money on "the Pioneer of the Exodus".

Aboleth: …The what?

Crowley: Most of the larger factions holing up in their fortresses of Will and Might, hoping that their defenses will be enough to withstand the Maw's onslaught. For "free agents" like you and I, though, we have to make other plans. Folks are calling it the Exodus: a whole wave of angels, demons, and everything in between looking for ways to hide out in the Melange Layer until this all blows over.

Aboleth: …They have to know that there's no way for them all to get anchors, right? Most of them will waste away their power reserves until they're little more than quintessence to be gobbled up by some wisp somewhere. And even the ones who gain vessels won't have the means to preserve them long enough against the calamities to wait for the Outer Planes to stabilize.

Crowley: As opposed to staying out in the open up here once the Maw gets everywhere? People are looking for any port in a storm, even if it means taking up some…less than favorable circumstances. Of course, the Council is throwing a fit, since this kind of movement is going to make some of the more perceptive mortals notice things, panic, start gathering resources, which will eventually make the peasants panic even though they don't know what's coming. Hell, there's a chance a nation or two will tear itself to pieces even before the Maw gets to it. So, the Council is working to find "acceptable" outlets" in order to meet demand.

Aboleth: "Acceptable outlets"?

Crowley: Let's see. The angels are trying to get the priests to tell more sermons about "guardian angels", protectors that will guard them from vice and peril, in the hopes that the young ones will be more likely to get an Ethos that will take on a refugee. Some are trying to integrate into some dungeons, but that's hit or miss. Others are trying to get tutoring jobs at the universities, while some poor spirits are begging just to be part of some magic battery for a century just for someplace safe. I hear the God of the Goblins is pushing for some of the tribes to contract "spirit companions", in hopes of gathering enough strength for one big push to claim just enough territory to be brought to the negotiating table with the other mortal races. Of course, if a human had to choose between the apocalypse and making peace with goblins, they may just pick the apocalypse to "preserve their honor against allying with monsters."

Aboleth: And is that your plan as well? Become a slave for a mortal?

Crowley: Well, my plan's nothing too ambitious, but I've been finishing putting my affairs in order up here, so I got a nice energy stockpile. Large enough to make the trip while keeping my wits AND hopefully secure my ride. I got my sights on a [Deviant Wanderer] who's down a few fingers and an eye, and has got a drinking problem that he knows will kill him. I'll be packing enough Mana & Essence to heal his wounds, a little Flow trick to stop addiction, and the offer to watch his back. He doesn't quite have the makings of some unstoppable atrocity in the shape of a child, but I think with a little guidance he'll be able to keep a step ahead of the worst of it. Hell, might point him the direction of that Golden Girl, if I think it'll help. So, which faction do you think you'll head to for safety? I think Garzenof might let you be her chew toy for old times sake-

Aboleth: I am planning on returning to the Melange Layer, on my own terms. There was…another candidate I had in mind before I chose Valerie. There will be less time to prepare, but now I know not to make the same mistakes as before.

Crowley: Really, you're going to try a repeat performance? Well, if you got the energy reserves for it, more power to you.

Aboleth: …I spent most of my resources on my first attempt. I will need to collect more in order to maintain coherence long enough to establish a contract.

Crowley: Oh, so "on your own terms", but with someone else's money? Shoot, I'd do that too if I thought I could swing it. So, which sucker who's still talking to you are you planning on tricking into funding your next expedition?

Aboleth: …The First Tenant of Demonkind is to not turn ones back on their brothers, to unite to defy those who would enslave or destroy us.

Crowley: … Aboleth, I'm not sure I'm following you. I mean, it sounds like you're asking for charity, but I know you're smarter than that, so that would mean that you're asking for something on credit. And you should be smarter than that.

Aboleth: You would turn your back on your kind?

Crowley: Word on the street is you took out quite a few loans of power reserves before dropping into the Melange Layer and leaving your creditors for Maw-food. Guess the Tenant's only important when you say it is. So, I'm afraid I'm going to have to ask for "cash up front", as it were.

Aboleth: …I have bolt-holes of Angelic artifacts hidden in safe places. I was hoping to save them for bartering when I returned after this atrocity passed, but I knew I couldn't fence them quickly enough for my plans. I can let you know their locations in exchange for-

Crowley: Even if you aren't lying, you're putting the onus on ME to get liquidity out of your "valuable artifacts"? I do not have the time or the inclination to offload your trash, you can do that yourself.

Aboleth: …I think you will find my cooperation beneficial to your endeavors. Or at least, you'll be less likely face…critical setbacks.

Crowley: Are you threatening me?

Aboleth: The journey to the Melange Layer is harrowing, even without interference. A distraction at the wrong moment could cost you everything. That is, of course, assuming that the Council isn't informed of your whereabouts beforehand.

Crowley: …You know what? You're absolutely right.

Aboleth: Glad that you finally see reason-

Crowley: If we go to the Council together, they'll probably give me a full clean slate in exchange for your sorry hide. One less thing to worry about on my end. Granted, one would hope that the Records would get wiped clean when the Maw passes through, but with my luck there will be some library spirit who thinks my criminal record is worth preserving until the next Era.

Aboleth: …What are you talking about?

Crowley: I did mention that there were a LOT of interested parties monitoring your progress, right? Well, the Council learned you got booted back to the Outer Planes, and they have made it VERY clear that they are rather interested in a private "debriefing session". Followed by a very public disassociation. Sounds like it'll be quite the show, for the people still here to see it, at least.

Aboleth: Are they trying to make me some kind of scapegoat for the Exodus? Some self-righteous angel is trying to make self-preservation a sin?

Crowley: Nah, they ain't pinning the Exodus on you. I mean, your little stunt may have accelerated the time table, but nobody's denying it was going to happen sooner or later. They're not upset about the girl either; "cooperation" with the mortals is practically going to be codified in the next few weeks. Shoot, one of the angels kept going on about totally mind-stating some kid to "act as an unfiltered example of righteousness and purity" or some other bull. Hell, they're not even mad about the mass slaughter. The Plan's essentially been put on hold for a while, and your little "excursions" weren't even enough to stir the pot on any geopolitical level.

Aboleth: But then why does the Council wish to see me disassociated?

Crowley: You went after the Scions, "Abby".

Aboleth: …

Crowley: Yeah, all those little Hearts and Candles and Diamonds and Bloomlings, all those Deific fragments just sitting there waiting to be harvested. Do you think the Gods and Weavers left those on the Melange Layer just for you? Well, they must love you VERY much.

Aboleth: …The Council has established that there are no special protections for the mortal-integration experiments-

Crowley: Those rules were designed so that Gods couldn't throw a fit every time a bandit or war or dungeon or stray spirit killed one of their little bundles of joy. But when some demon with a plan uses their skills to specifically hunt them down one by one, it changes the game a bit, doesn't it? The members of the Council are suddenly a lot more attentive to their little connections to the Melange Layer for some unknown reason, and they wish to make it clear to any other fugitives that your "winning strategy" will not be tolerated. Hells, I heard Flower's willing to grind you into fertilizer for even touching her little Golden Girl.

Aboleth: So, they'll be going after Ev'aclliál and her vessel as well?

Crowley: Nah, she's got…another thing going on. Heck, the Council can't ban it since the Council can't even agree on what exactly was even done to her. Besides, Aurora just handed her a fragment just for fun; no harvesting necessary. Hmm, would that make her a "Blooming Heart" now? Meh, doesn't matter. Now, I'm not exactly built for bounty hunting, but I bet I could still hogtie your recently decohered form if I felt I was going to experience any…unexpected expenses. You're not going to make things expensive for me, are you, Aboleth?

Aboleth: …No.

Crowley: …Swear it, then. Or else I'll give it a go just so I can sleep easy before I leave.

Aboleah: Surely you can't be-

Crowley: Does it look like I'm joking?

Aboleth: …I, Aboleth, swear upon my name and my very essence, to not knowingly interfere with or disrupt your preparation and passage to the Melange Layer, nor send or alert any other entities, knowingly or not, to do likewise.

Crowley: That's better. Now, most of the fortresses have been locking up, and everybody's crowding up the "public" pathways to the Melange Layer, so I suggest you be on your way.

Aboleth: …So, this is it, then? No solidarity, no trust? The last few millennia count as nothing?

Crowley: Screw you, you failed excuse for a blackmailer. Don't you see? Everyone's playing your game now, "pioneer". This is the 7th​ Era, so roll your dice, call in your favors, and burn your bridges, because even the immortals aren't promised tomorrow. You got on the boat first…but now you're back on the shore, with nothing to show for it. Now scram.

Aboleth: …Mark my words, you will live to regret this.

Crowley: …I certainly hope so.
 
Very nice, I can see a sort of scene like this happening. Crowley is right out of Supernatural and a good fit for a demon. The fact that so many people would be watching could have caused problems if this was canon but given everyone is interested in there survival. They would be more likely to try to work with us then try to kill us.
 
We have no idea who was winning that fight, but I think the real winner was us.
Actually we do, Evie commented on it:
Wow I made it.

Spiralling down the Translation Channel as my self-identity began to dissolve, I noticed something interesting. Lilly was the best example of a sunken cost fallacy I'd ever seen, Colossi and Flower each reupping their bets to out-compete the other for something objectively not worth half what they'd put in. Too bad it looked like the Maw's sublet was gonna win this one… unless... It would clip me back to proto-sentience, but I could equalize the bets again and- Oh Flower you absolute bitch, you knew I'd see this!
 
They are seperate factions playing against each-other. I would expect if the maw had its way we'd become its ally and help it, while it gave power and its own ethos to Lilly in turn.
Once you pick a side you make allies and enemies. As in probably end up fighting Flower and Colossus.

Tho as is, Lil-Evie backstabbed Big-Evie and joined up with Lilly to create a new faction altogether. :V So who knows, we may have pissed everyone off. Stolen bits from Maw, used up all the potential invested in Lilly before Flower and Colossus could use that for their own side and designs.
And now she's on her way to becoming an entity herself, well, flower still has a chance to gain from this since Lilly is willing to have a chat. And well, perhaps Flower can give Lilly some boons and Lilly can use her newfound power to help along with Flower's goals.
 
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I will point you to the immediately-following "unless". We still don't know who actually won after Ev' did the thing.

We actually know:

It was nobody. Well, technically nobody. It seems like Flower noticed we were ready to maintain our boundless ethos by ourself, which brought it to strike at Colossus when it was distracted, something that detached both of them from us. And now we are probably free from their claims.
 
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We're still a Bloomling and have Flower's Deific Fragment, so I think that Flower won this round at least. And yeah, we probably just reached the point where our Boundless Ethos became self-sustaining and the tendril to Colossi was cut, so I think it's been a string of failures so far for Colossi.

While I also think we are still a bloomling, I will bring up that we were identified as one before the whole "something detaching" part.
Personally, I think Flower will have to make some kind of special bargain when we meet again if it wants to have some kind of claim on us due to what it did to remove Colossus.
 
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