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Adhoc vote count started by Killer_Whale on Jun 15, 2017 at 9:00 PM, finished with 16224 posts and 65 votes.
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Thor's Twin said:
To answer the question, White is the last stage of cultivation. Second to last is violet. The numbers depend on if you count being mortal a stage or not.
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Soooo... Lil Turtle's living parent is an equivalent of an Indigo cultivator if you don't count mortal as a stage? Jeebus.
 
Thor's Twin said:
To answer the question, White is the last stage of cultivation. Second to last is violet. The numbers depend on if you count being mortal a stage or not.
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Not for Seventh Stage. If you go 1st(Red)=>2nd(Yellow)=>3rd(Green)=>4th(Cyan)=>5th(Indigo)=>6th(Violet)=>7th(White), White is seventh. Counting mortal makes it 8th.
BungieONI said:
Soooo... Lil Turtle's living parent is an equivalent of an Indigo cultivator if you don't count mortal as a stage? Jeebus.
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Elder Su's own Spirit beast she showed to the class was also a 5th stage yeah.
 
Thor's Twin said:
To answer the question, White is the last stage of cultivation. Second to last is violet. The numbers depend on if you count being mortal a stage or not.
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Thanks. I don't think we should count mortal as a stage, or if we do it counts as stage zero. We've seen Yellow/Silver referred to as the 2nd stage, and we know 2nd grade beasts are comparable to Yellow/Silver, so this means that Red/Gold is stage 1 and everything else goes from there.

In turns of my question, it turns out that I was missing Indigo. Stupid Indigo/Violet distinction; it is all purple to me...
 
Arkeus said:
Not for Seventh Stage. If you go 1st(Red)=>2nd(Yellow)=>3rd(Green)=>4th(Cyan)=>5th(Indigo)=>6th(Violet)=>7th(White), White is seventh. Counting mortal makes it 8th.

Elder Su's own Spirit beast she showed to the class was also a 5th stage yeah.
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Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. So glad we didn't try any funny business. Ling Qi would have been atomized.

I am also ridiculously pleased because it means Ling Ko is going to be ridiculously powerful eventually. Hey, didn't Meizhen comment at one point that the adoratortoise might pop out as a Grade 2 because of how powerful it's parents are? How likely does the thread think this is?
 
Arkeus said:
Elder Su's own Spirit beast she showed to the class was also a 5th stage yeah.
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This was actually why I was asking. Since Su's spirit beast was on the 5th Grade, then she herself is probably at the 5th stage if not higher, which puts her at Indigo+. Just as a sense of scale that might help people get a feel for what it would take to challenge the sect on a near-even footing.
 
Arkeus said:
Not for Seventh Stage. If you go 1st(Red)=>2nd(Yellow)=>3rd(Green)=>4th(Cyan)=>5th(Indigo)=>6th(Violet)=>7th(White), White is seventh. Counting mortal makes it 8th.

Elder Su's own Spirit beast she showed to the class was also a 5th stage yeah.
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Oh also, is the idea to line the crib kiln in earth and rock from the growing cavern location viable?
 
BungieONI said:
Oh also, is the idea to line the crib kiln in earth and rock from the growing cavern location viable?
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It sounds like an awful idea to me. Let's not SCIENCE with unique resources. Better to have our tortoise wake up a week later than it dying.
PrimalShadow said:
This was actually why I was asking. Since Su's spirit beast was on the 5th Grade, then she herself is probably at the 5th stage if not higher, which puts her at Indigo+. Just as a sense of scale that might help people get a feel for what it would take to challenge the sect on a near-even footing.
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I wouldn't say challenge, but here is a few things we know:

*Green at less than 20 is usually considered a heirship position in the majority of noble households. This means, to me, that they usually expect their patriarch at Cyan.
* White is enough for Bai Meizhen to consider it 'normal' to take over a province. That hints to me that Province rulers are NOT white in general (though some obviously are).
*Elders are at least Indigo, most probably more given the respect Bai Meizhen gives them. They also all have famous warnames, or at least seem to do. We know Zhou is incredibly famous on the front, Elder Jiao used to be a director of the ministry of Integrity, for example.

From this, I'm going to place Inner Sect disciples mostly at Green once they have been there a few years (like out sect are mostly at yellow after their first year), and that there are 'core' disciples that are mostly at Cyan. Getting to Indigo is probably enough to be a lesser sort of elder, and I would think more are late/indigo-early violet, and the sect chief is late violet.

Almost certain @yrsillar will prove me wrong though.
 
[X] Offer to show her something interesting if she'll let you go. Play a few songs for her.
-[X] If she doesn't like the songs, agree to play tag.
 
Wasn't it confirmed that one of the reasons Jiao doesn't give a f' is because he's Violet and thinks he's paid his dues already?

I wonder how many provinces there are in the Empire. The 2 confirmed whites are Sun Shao and Cai Shenhua. Is the Empress a White? It feels like her throne should be pretty shaky if she isn't. One of the Bais (possibly the grandfather) is probably a White.
 
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Arkeus said:
*Green at less than 20 is usually considered a heirship position in the majority of noble households.
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In small noble households, mind you. In medium noble clans it just gets you extra resources, and in large clans (e.g. the Bais), it is practically expected.

* White is enough for Bai Meizhen to consider it 'normal' to take over a province. That hints to me that Province rulers are NOT white in general (though some obviously are).
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Regarding this, "There are only perhaps ten such cultivators in the empire at the moment" (-Bai Meizhen, week 6). Not sure how many provinces there are, though - but White is very much a big deal.
Elders are at least Indigo, most probably more given the respect Bai Meizhen gives them. They also all have famous warnames, or at least seem to do. We know Zhou is incredibly famous on the front, Elder Jiao used to be a director of the ministry of Integrity, for example.
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I would be somewhat surprised if elders where higher than Indigo. If Elders were higher than Indigo, that would put them at Violet - and that is literally one step down from White. I think the Sect Head might be Violet, but for elders to be at that level too seems too much.

Consider. We have 10 people at White. If you assume that you have 1/10 the people at each level, that comes to 10 White, 100 Violet, 1k Indigo, 10k Cyan, 100k Green, 1m Yellow, 10m Red; if anything, I suspect that this is inflated and we have less than ten million Red cultivators, and indeed I wouldn't be surprised if the scaling was far less regular, but in general I think 100 Violet cultivators at least reasonably matches the order of magnitude in question. However, I expect that there are more than 100 Sect Elder positions in total, and certainly not every violet cultivator is going to be employed by a sect. Point being, it seems like the penultimate level of power achievable by cultivators is perhaps too high a level to expect from our Elders.

From this, I'm going to place Inner Sect disciples mostly at Green once they have been there a few years (like out sect are mostly at yellow after their first year), and that there are 'core' disciples that are mostly at Cyan. Getting to Indigo is probably enough to be a lesser sort of elder, and I would think more are late/indigo-early violet, and the sect chief is late violet.
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That sounds right-ish, though I'm not sure core disciples are a thing, and I'd shift your elders back by half a stage.
 
@PrimalShadow Something to consider regarding the number of cultivators in general is that Ling Qi was the only commoner swept up from her entire home town. I know she lived in a pretty backwater place, but it makes me think that cultivators are more rare than first glance implies. The reason there seem to be so many is probably the increased lifespan. In a peaceful area I would not be surprised if the 1/10th ratio starts breaking down as you get indigo cultivators that were from threel generations ago still roaming around.
 
Yeah, when a White can be expected to live a thousand years, this means that he lives through 50 or so mortal generations, so '10 white alive more or less' basically mean that you get a new white every hundred years or so in the whole of the empire, but then they stick around. Well, obviously some get killed, but I suspect that's rather rare.
 
PrimalShadow said:
In small noble households, mind you. In medium noble clans it just gets you extra resources, and in large clans (e.g. the Bais), it is practically expected.


Regarding this, "There are only perhaps ten such cultivators in the empire at the moment" (-Bai Meizhen, week 6). Not sure how many provinces there are, though - but White is very much a big deal.

I would be somewhat surprised if elders where higher than Indigo. If Elders were higher than Indigo, that would put them at Violet - and that is literally one step down from White. I think the Sect Head might be Violet, but for elders to be at that level too seems too much.

Consider. We have 10 people at White. If you assume that you have 1/10 the people at each level, that comes to 10 White, 100 Violet, 1k Indigo, 10k Cyan, 100k Green, 1m Yellow, 10m Red; if anything, I suspect that this is inflated and we have less than ten million Red cultivators, and indeed I wouldn't be surprised if the scaling was far less regular, but in general I think 100 Violet cultivators at least reasonably matches the order of magnitude in question. However, I expect that there are more than 100 Sect Elder positions in total, and certainly not every violet cultivator is going to be employed by a sect. Point being, it seems like the penultimate level of power achievable by cultivators is perhaps too high a level to expect from our Elders.


That sounds right-ish, though I'm not sure core disciples are a thing, and I'd shift your elders back by half a stage.
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mc2rpg said:
@PrimalShadow Something to consider regarding the number of cultivators in general is that Ling Qi was the only commoner swept up from her entire home town. I know she lived in a pretty backwater place, but it makes me think that cultivators are more rare than first glance implies. The reason there seem to be so many is probably the increased lifespan. In a peaceful area I would not be surprised if the 1/10th ratio starts breaking down as you get indigo cultivators that were from threel generations ago still roaming around.
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Plus there is that comment made early in the quest that Green is the stopping point for most cultivators. So there is probably a regular population stepping up to Green, then there is a jump when you go to Cyan and the scale skews.
 
BungieONI said:
Plus there is that comment made early in the quest that Green is the stopping point for most cultivators. So there is probably a regular population stepping up to Green, then there is a jump when you go to Cyan and the scale skews.
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Which means, we should shoot for Cyan by the end of the year as an inner disciple. If most people stop at green, then being a cyan before the age of 20 would probably give us a lot of interest and leeway in where we want to go for the army assignment.
 
So this is a thought for a bit later, but I was rereading the quest and was reminded that there are sect members that can fly. This is not a barbarian only thing. I think that that is what we should aim for when we end up opening more leg meridians, rather than an alternate Dodge or ground based movement technique. I highly doubt it is something that we could learn now, but seeing as we have an archive pass I would not be surprised if we could find a lead in art for enhancing jumps or gliding as something that can be built on into true flight. I hope some day people look in the sky and fear clouds, because they might be Ling Qi playing a flute as she floats in the air.
 
mc2rpg said:
So this is a thought for a bit later, but I was rereading the quest and was reminded that there are sect members that can fly. This is not a barbarian only thing. I think that that is what we should aim for when we end up opening more leg meridians, rather than an alternate Dodge or ground based movement technique. I highly doubt it is something that we could learn now, but seeing as we have an archive pass I would not be surprised if we could find a lead in art for enhancing jumps or gliding as something that can be built on into true flight. I hope some day people look in the sky and fear clouds, because they might be Ling Qi playing a flute as she floats in the air.
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"Problem, mate?" Wind troll strats are something I am definitely interested in.

Especially if we can get the turtle to fly too.
 
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