Crystalwatcher's Magical Girl Quest!
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She is meant to be a glass canon. I was worried 200 damage per level in her weapon was too much though.
Mmm... I want to keep her low-end Epic stat wise at the least though... 350 Health, and 100 Resilience per level maybe?
And this especially. Sidereals are gimmicky as fuck. Those five abilities are more like baselines than anything honestly. Stellar was never really meant to be about the stats so much as the Abilities.
And yes Kellego. Duck Punch is in the Store for her. "Oh, hey. That's some nice Anti-Auto-Kill you got there.
"Don't remember the soul fall off one though.
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Pattern spider touch needs more shenanigans.
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I know nothing about Exalted so I'm just over here like
Yes, yes we know Lost. You said as much on Discord when we first talked about it. And honestly it's not bad, like I said on Discord, we were just kind of distilling their basic themes and most iconic powers down into Abilities for the MG form. *Shrug*
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@ShadowAngelBeta The Version I made was legend, and the only things that carried over from it are Pattern Spider touch and abilities, so my original numbers aren't that helpful.
The original numbers *May* have been representing her unlevelled stats?
My advice is to change the numbers to something like this as an epic. Her numbers are still low for an epic, outside of Stellar Excellency at least, and her weapon still has an unusually high amount of levels, but they aren't too far off the epic template.
See here for epic template: Original - Crystalwatcher's Magical Girl Quest! | Page 183
This makes her numbers per level:
Health: 800
Base Damage: 750
Base Resilience: 200
Magic Modifier: 1,000
Also, regarding pattern spider touch, there is no way to punch someone into a duck in CWMGQ.
So my thought process was: only turn them partway into a duck if they survive > represent it by body modifiers > catastrophic damage, with lots of searching the ability bible in between.
EDIT: not quite sure how her APT scales, either.
Much later EDIT 2: Here's the version I made and never posted in the thread. Some formatting and fancy stuff is missing because I can't be bothered to add it at the moment
The original numbers *May* have been representing her unlevelled stats?
My advice is to change the numbers to something like this as an epic. Her numbers are still low for an epic, outside of Stellar Excellency at least, and her weapon still has an unusually high amount of levels, but they aren't too far off the epic template.
See here for epic template: Original - Crystalwatcher's Magical Girl Quest! | Page 183
- ($%&@*#) Magical Girl Stellar Radiance
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This makes her numbers per level:
Health: 800
Base Damage: 750
Base Resilience: 200
Magic Modifier: 1,000
Also, regarding pattern spider touch, there is no way to punch someone into a duck in CWMGQ.
So my thought process was: only turn them partway into a duck if they survive > represent it by body modifiers > catastrophic damage, with lots of searching the ability bible in between.
EDIT: not quite sure how her APT scales, either.
Much later EDIT 2: Here's the version I made and never posted in the thread. Some formatting and fancy stuff is missing because I can't be bothered to add it at the moment
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Also, excruciatingly pathetic.
It doesn't reflect Saitama's actually ridiculous skill at moderating damage to surroundings (seriously, a halted punch didn't even force Genos to move while demolishing the countryside). It doesn't reflect Saitama's precision (jump from Moon back to the place on Earth one was punted from? That's some ridiculously good aim). It has no spells, because seriously, Maji Naguri (Serious Punch) deserves a Planet Cracker ability and is best modelled like a spell.
And that's not even getting into things like "Saitama actually has ridiculous amount of willpower, because Tatsumaki's telekinesis is weaker on high-willpower targets and did jack shit to Saitama when Tatsumaki actually tried".
And of course, there's no statted Nightmare of Caped Baldy (that mosquito in the first episode who successfully evaded Saitama's attempts at swatting him).
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Somewhere way back.
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I'm not sure how this should make me feel.
About someone wanting to go through all seven hundred and twenty pages and nearly eighteen thousand posts of your thread? Pretty good, I'd say.
This text exists solely so that my post does not consist entirely of spoiler boxes. Because I think that would look stupid, and I would hate to look stupid by accident.
Not that they'd need to send anyone, seeing as Heaven is known to have interdimensional scrying devices. Which they would use, not just because they might want to recover Gabriel's corpse, but because Reluxus is an important strategic location and they kinda need to know how the demons are using it (and, more recently, how it's defended so they can re-take it). And to find out how many of them Gabriel took with her, because knowing the strength of your enemy is important, especially after they've just surprised you with more troops than you ever thought they had. You could buy maybe a year with the "pulling themselves together" excuse, but after that knowing what's happening, even in vague terms, becomes too important to defense. Which doesn't mean they'd have any idea how long Gabriel survived, necessarily. If they assumed she was dead, and the important strategic concerns were elsewhere on the planet, they could easily miss her.
Crys' numbers not making sensesoft mechanics beating hard mechanics? Because as written, a Brahmastra one-shots her. Obliterate gets past Beyond Good and Evil, Unstoppable negates her defenses, and the damage is greater than her HP.
*Sarcasm. Mostly.
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So, what I'm hearing here is that the oceans, polar regions, some islands, and probably Australia are all swarming with demons. Seriously, you open up a portal in the middle of the Pacific a few hundred feet below the waterline, nobody will ever find what comes out (unless it's really big). Except Gaia, I guess. Actually, maybe they could? I'm not clear on how good sonar is, but given the historical importance of submarine detection, it's probably pretty good. The demons would still disperse long before a patrol boat/sub got there (oceans are big, and seagoing vessels expensive), but you might be able to effectively patrol the coast like that. So there's probably a bunch of demons swimming around Earth's oceans, staying away from the coasts, waiting for an attack order.
So, if they can make portals at an exponential rate so long as they have safe ground on which to do so, why was Hope such a surprise? It's not like opening up millions of Hellgates in territory they control would be difficult, unless gate-making demons are just that rare. Sure, they might take time to set up, but seeing as they got one open in New York it can't be too long, and twenty days isn't that much more than twenty hours in a war that's lasted millenia. (There are some easy counters to this, like having Hellgates interfere with each other so you can't have too many in the same place, or having the other end always be in the same area so things bottleneck on the other end, but nothing like that has been indicated.)
Enemy's, or enemies'?
Probably "Automaton"?
Gotta watch those apostrophes!
When you have magic on Old Gabriel's scale, "avenue of retreat" takes on a somewhat broader definition. She could probably survive at the bottom of an ocean, where most enemies couldn't reach and it's harder for the rest to find her. Or better yet, space, which is so big she wouldn't even need to hide—barring magical tracking—and even fewer opponents could reach her. Assuming Reluxus is a planet, anyway.
Again, that depends a lot on what Reluxus is like. If it's a planet? Haha, no, there's no way for them to kill everyone who comes, it's just too big (which also puts a damper on any attempts to find Gabriel).
Not that they'd need to send anyone, seeing as Heaven is known to have interdimensional scrying devices. Which they would use, not just because they might want to recover Gabriel's corpse, but because Reluxus is an important strategic location and they kinda need to know how the demons are using it (and, more recently, how it's defended so they can re-take it). And to find out how many of them Gabriel took with her, because knowing the strength of your enemy is important, especially after they've just surprised you with more troops than you ever thought they had. You could buy maybe a year with the "pulling themselves together" excuse, but after that knowing what's happening, even in vague terms, becomes too important to defense. Which doesn't mean they'd have any idea how long Gabriel survived, necessarily. If they assumed she was dead, and the important strategic concerns were elsewhere on the planet, they could easily miss her.
Wait, seriously? Unconsciousness is enough to knock someone out of MG form? We don't exactly have a lot of data, but I can't see any indication of that with the rest of the Old Guard, or the time we knocked out Judgement Core, and there's nothing either way when Nepgear passed out after New York. And it would make Blackout a rather OP Ability, wouldn't it? (And possibly Slumber, though sleep and unconsciousness are different.)
That sounds like a terrible idea from a mental health standpoint. And there's not much time until Answerer in which to vet her. (I'd also mention getting her up to speed on the state of the war, familiarizing her with her new comrades, getting her back in the command hierarchy, etc., but as a top-tier MG she can just be dropped where she's needed without too much loss in effectiveness.)
That analogy is incoherent, Rei.
Camp, n.: a place where soldiers stay when they are training or fighting a war. (Source. Some other sources give only "A place with temporary accommodation of huts, tents, or other structures, typically used by soldiers, refugees, or travelling people," which is still applicable.)
Using that a bit much, don't you think? There are others, but these three in a row, two of which are unnecessary, stands out.
Wait, Ichi's that close? Didn't you say she couldn't show up on this mission because she's busy elsewhere? (I can find a statement that she wouldn't show up, but not the one I'm thinking of… might have been about a different mission.)
Already covered, but since you said you were too lazy to fix it then and I'm providing typos anyway…
It's also not something they're established as able to do, lacks what justification the Neptunia girls have for it in their home series, and doesn't fit the tone of CMGQ. I'd really recommend cutting this bit.
Obvious though it was, I don't think we've seen Rev's full name before.
*Cough*Gaia*Cough*. Also any number of professional scholars (especially the nonhuman multicentenarians), but she might not know their names.
Yet another two-shot kill-practically-anything. No listed defensive abilities except the Spell (…which you later say is pretty ridiculous, but at least it's not a passive defense), but the two ???s have suspicious names.
Don't think any of them were hollow, though. (Another one for the exotic defenses list: girl who flies around in an indestructible ball. In order to damage her, you have to hit the ball hard enough that she gets slammed into the inside of it (or teleport inside, or teleport the ball away, or pass through it with intangibility, or…).)
As far as Obliterate is concerned, they do:
That problem really should be unique to the Divinity girls. Their growth is exponential, so Nepgear gets 50% more power every time she upgrades the Purifier Beam. The next level of Oblivion Awaits is only a 5% power increase, which should be relatively easily handled if she did, say, one upgrade per month (there are some conceivable scenarios where absolute numbers matter over relative quantities, but that seems unlikely here). (This is also, by the way, why the diminishing returns are significant—if it were just increasing xp cost, that would be fine, but the decreasing relative gains would slow growth to the point of uselessness even with a flat cost, it would just take twice as long.) And branching out and trying new stuff that doesn't interfere with her current setup is also a possibility.
Is this another case of
Does he do that regularly?*
*Sarcasm. Mostly.
Most of what I'd have to say has been covered, except that I'm not entirely happy about Stellar Excellency being a direct rip-off of Solar Excellency. Every occurrence of Stellar Excellency in the Abilities section should be bolded and colored, and there's a typo in the description of Chosen of Secrets. I like her Abilities and Weapon Abilities, except that "Multi-Hit" isn't a thing; you probably mean Multi-Slash.
We already have the next level of HSC (Crys forgot it in the level-up post, but it's on our sheet), and CS and Starshine already do plenty of damage. Unless you're trying win an Intercept conflict with Rei or V.I.C.T.O.R.Y, there's no need to increase CS's damage, and while Starshine can meaningfully improve, that improvement is mostly useful against armies. Strong ones. Which we aren't facing quite yet. See @UberJJK's posts for calcs. And we have potential Synch spells (or other new spells) as an XP sink, along with keeping a tactical reserve.
Why do you say that? It will take more than one training action, but I don't remember any WoG saying that it would take more than three, which would give us time to finish in the morning. I do remember the WoG about "more time than you have available in the quest", but I'm pretty sure that was about something different—either getting as much control as others (Rei, Sega) have, or getting control of the collateral after some number of upgrades.
Cite, please.
Except for all the soft-mechanics stuff, like Starshine being much less instantaneous and intuitive than our weapon. And all the other differences, like what's stopped by Spell Immunity/Spell Cancel/Spell Reflect, or the existence of an MM roll.
Turn in: Sleep is good. Losing time is bad. I think there's enough to do that we shouldn't do this, but I won't dismiss it entirely.
Team GEAR's weapons: We need to find out about the new weapons at some point; can't plan a battle when we don't know our people's capabilities. This will also involve being around tech people, seeing initial evaluation of the data from the Frost Dragon armor, and possibly running into other people who are getting experimental equipment. This is partially time-limited; we can find out about the new weapons later, but we wouldn't get briefed by, and be able to ask questions of, an expert. Except possibly when James gets his, or if we specifically devote time to it.
Visiting MGs: We've been told that, in addition to Synch spells, we can unlock new spells with the right interactions. This may also unlock partial character sheets, which is especially useful for people we'll have missions with, and is stated to potentially unlock allies for future missions. I would be interested in having someone on Charon who can take out Hellgates from range other than Nepgear, for instance. Visiting Gaia and Hero WEAPON has been brought up; I'd like to talk to her a bit, and maybe [TALK] to her.
Command tent: We've been skipping this the whole quest, and as a result we don't understand the state of the war very well. Admittedly, visiting the commanders isn't the right way to fix a lack of basic knowledge—that should be done via a standardized introductory briefing, which we probably missed because we got thrown into battle instead of completing our training—but it's what we're offered.
Visit a friend: I have "visit Carnage" on my list of things to do while at base. She needs a friend who won't die on her. "Get to know Maria better" is also on that list. And I can't think of anyone else on base that we've spent more than five minutes with who isn't in one of the below options. [EDIT: And I somehow just noticed that Carnage isn't listed as being on base. Drat.]
No Rest for the Wicked: White Knight has problems, and I'm sure she'd like to see us. On the other hand, Carnage might be worse off, and we know her better. And they're both on High Tide. Partially time-limited.
In Memoire - The White: Important (she's family, in addition to being #3), probably not urgent or time-limited, and I'm curious about what's "pulling [Ana] to her".
The Story of Peace: Maintaining relationships is important, and while she may be willing to run off, I don't think Sega is entirely out of worry-mode. Uni's probably worried about us, too. Also, they've all gotten some upgrades, and this may reveal some of them.
Librum of a Star: Can't think of anything I want to ask.
Sparring: Unless we fight someone with specifically relevant abilities, this is unlikely to help with our collateral damage problem. It's somewhat more likely to unlock new spells to buy, give us a look at some sheets, and possibly make friends. I'll also note that, since MG combat is nuke tag, a spar is unlikely to last more than a couple minutes; we can therefore probably fit at least ten of them into two actions' worth of time, even accounting for the time it takes to find them and ask. I'm also tempted to challenge everyone with "Queen" in their name, possibly simultaneously, because that name is too common and it irritates me (though Plant Queen and Dragon Queen have actually had their names changed. Not that I like the new ones much better.). Other potentially interesting spars: the Horsemen (Epics, we'll be going on a mission with them), Fable Heart (Jabberwocky's dangerous, and we don't really have anything to deal with Sunder), Warped Mirror (scary girl), Summer/Winter Queen (Epic), Dragon Queen (Epic), Game Queen (her combat style is necessarily somewhat odd), Heavenly Destroyer (Epic), Shining Scholar (Spells! We need Spells!), Illuminator (More Spells!), Silver Chevalier (10 APT). Hero WEAPON might also be interesting, and the unknowns are unknown.
Practice: We've been wanting to get our output under control for a while. We've also got a list of tricks we want to try, like the Starshine Intercept. I'm more interested in trying to dial down the collateral damage on the PB; getting Starshine to the point where it could substitute for standard attacks seems like it would take at least as much training as controlling the PB, and upgrading Starshine at some makes sense to me, so we'd end up needing retraining.
Team GEAR's weapons: We need to find out about the new weapons at some point; can't plan a battle when we don't know our people's capabilities. This will also involve being around tech people, seeing initial evaluation of the data from the Frost Dragon armor, and possibly running into other people who are getting experimental equipment. This is partially time-limited; we can find out about the new weapons later, but we wouldn't get briefed by, and be able to ask questions of, an expert. Except possibly when James gets his, or if we specifically devote time to it.
Visiting MGs: We've been told that, in addition to Synch spells, we can unlock new spells with the right interactions. This may also unlock partial character sheets, which is especially useful for people we'll have missions with, and is stated to potentially unlock allies for future missions. I would be interested in having someone on Charon who can take out Hellgates from range other than Nepgear, for instance. Visiting Gaia and Hero WEAPON has been brought up; I'd like to talk to her a bit, and maybe [TALK] to her.
Command tent: We've been skipping this the whole quest, and as a result we don't understand the state of the war very well. Admittedly, visiting the commanders isn't the right way to fix a lack of basic knowledge—that should be done via a standardized introductory briefing, which we probably missed because we got thrown into battle instead of completing our training—but it's what we're offered.
Visit a friend: I have "visit Carnage" on my list of things to do while at base. She needs a friend who won't die on her. "Get to know Maria better" is also on that list. And I can't think of anyone else on base that we've spent more than five minutes with who isn't in one of the below options. [EDIT: And I somehow just noticed that Carnage isn't listed as being on base. Drat.]
No Rest for the Wicked: White Knight has problems, and I'm sure she'd like to see us. On the other hand, Carnage might be worse off, and we know her better. And they're both on High Tide. Partially time-limited.
In Memoire - The White: Important (she's family, in addition to being #3), probably not urgent or time-limited, and I'm curious about what's "pulling [Ana] to her".
The Story of Peace: Maintaining relationships is important, and while she may be willing to run off, I don't think Sega is entirely out of worry-mode. Uni's probably worried about us, too. Also, they've all gotten some upgrades, and this may reveal some of them.
Librum of a Star: Can't think of anything I want to ask.
Sparring: Unless we fight someone with specifically relevant abilities, this is unlikely to help with our collateral damage problem. It's somewhat more likely to unlock new spells to buy, give us a look at some sheets, and possibly make friends. I'll also note that, since MG combat is nuke tag, a spar is unlikely to last more than a couple minutes; we can therefore probably fit at least ten of them into two actions' worth of time, even accounting for the time it takes to find them and ask. I'm also tempted to challenge everyone with "Queen" in their name, possibly simultaneously, because that name is too common and it irritates me (though Plant Queen and Dragon Queen have actually had their names changed. Not that I like the new ones much better.). Other potentially interesting spars: the Horsemen (Epics, we'll be going on a mission with them), Fable Heart (Jabberwocky's dangerous, and we don't really have anything to deal with Sunder), Warped Mirror (scary girl), Summer/Winter Queen (Epic), Dragon Queen (Epic), Game Queen (her combat style is necessarily somewhat odd), Heavenly Destroyer (Epic), Shining Scholar (Spells! We need Spells!), Illuminator (More Spells!), Silver Chevalier (10 APT). Hero WEAPON might also be interesting, and the unknowns are unknown.
Practice: We've been wanting to get our output under control for a while. We've also got a list of tricks we want to try, like the Starshine Intercept. I'm more interested in trying to dial down the collateral damage on the PB; getting Starshine to the point where it could substitute for standard attacks seems like it would take at least as much training as controlling the PB, and upgrading Starshine at some makes sense to me, so we'd end up needing retraining.
Also, while I've made the tenses within each these four paragraphs consistent, they're inconsistent between them.
I know the change in phrasing sets up the transition, but it's still grammatically incorrect, or rather, inconsistent in tense.
Either remove "both", or replace "but" with "and". I prefer the former.
Dialogue.
Could also use a semicolon, but I think a period works better here.
Normally I don't bother correcting your bizarre capitalization habits, but this one is inconsistent within the same sentence.
If you don't like the change in punctuation, "otherwise"->"lest" also works.
There's six of them. No "nearly" about it.
Either "just"->"but", or replace that comma with a semicolon (which still leaves it ungrammatical, but in a way that's reasonable for dialogue).
No space between the ellipsis and the start of the sentence. (Also, again, there is an ellipsis character, "…", which is better than using three periods (which looks bad in some fonts due to spacing).
Bit odd with the phrasing there—under a strict parsing, this says that Ana is remembering Amanda grinning, and it's the first time she's remembered that. I think this is a tense error in disguise—the phrasing would make sense (with the "ever" coming after "remember her") if this were past-tense narration. The easiest fix is to change it to "the first time she has ever done so in your presence". More complicated possibilities mostly build off of that.
"Key and I", but it's dialogue and this is a common construction, so no need to change it.
"them with" or "whom have".
If you set a parenthetical off as a separate sentence, it needs to be a complete sentence.
Two issues: "used to lead" or just "led" instead of "had led", and the phrasing implies that the road no longer leads to the highway, rather than (what I think you meant) no longer being dirt. One easy fix would be to say "the dirt road that led out to the highway has been replaced by [description of road]".
Technically this is fine and fits with the rest of the sentence ("is" is a verb), but I think it would flow better as "stream of vehicles flows in and out".
"Flight hazard" sounds more natural to me, and "practically", which here means "almost", appears on first reading to be tied to "glow" rather than "glow like a beacon", which would make no sense. You can just get rid of it; it won't change the meaning any.
One or the other. And why is "plain" in quotes? Is it not actually a plain (and if so, why would it be called one)?
One or the other.
Either move the comma, or "and fill"->"filling".
"Upon" is awkward here, just say "on". And I'm pretty sure "had once been" is grammatically incorrect (inconsistent with the present tense at the end of the sentence); luckily, you can just remove it instead of figuring out what to replace it with. "after the tomb on the top of the hill was wiped from the world" works.
Sentence fragment. And "small hole in reality" is not the last noun (phrase) in the previous sentence, so it's awkward at best.
Appears twice.
You don't need both the ellipsis and the scare quotes; they serve the same purpose. And if you do use ellipses, I think the usual convention is to have them on both sides, and frequently to italicize the word.
Could also be a mistake on Lucky's part.
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Was mentioned a while back on Discord.
Having an Intercept variant as a personal ability, rather than as an ability on a weapon or spell, means that you can perform that type of Intercept with any type of attack.
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Does this mean you don't hate looking stupid on purpose?
Cause if so your a better
LostDeviljho
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See, that's what I said!
Gaia is... not a magic expert. Gaia is that guy with the hat going "what if we tried more power?".
Also she hasn't actually met that many people who into magic all that deeply.
Also Thorn Warden, because he's one of the few people on that list who can provide a challenge.
The workshop talked about this and advocated that exact measure. According to @Crystalwatcher, they've included fourth-wall breaking before, it's just everyone has missed them. When someone on discord mentioned that this wasn't a serious quest, and used repeated fourth-wall breaking as a reason, Crystal was overjoyed that someone had noticed, and wasn't looking at him like he was crazy when he tried to convince them it had happened.
Actually, Lucky is an ex-scholar. Fairy equivalent of a PhD holder in magical theory, was an up-and-comer before she quit and joined the Death Squads. And probably does actually know more then Gaia. Not least because is, as lost said, more Mad Scientist then actual scientist.
Yes, it's a soft mechanics issue.
To compare, of the Four Goddesses, Red and Grey can't hurt her, Gold can, and I'm unsure about White. This is despite all four possessing anti-Divine Spirit abilities.
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LostDeviljho
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We asked for citations but the mysteriously never appeared. >_>
Indeed. I'm still not convinced that Crystal didn't hire/convince that person to say it, or that they're not both crazy.
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No, that- that happened at least once.
Like, it was a particularly short update, and two troopers directly mentioned the QM, that had to have happened.
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I vaguely remember some gamey terminology, but I'd just chalked that up to there being in-universe gamey mechanics. I don't remember anything more overt than that.
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Yeah, there has been some 4th wall breaking.
LostDeviljho
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Now, see, the second one doesn't count because that's the kind of banter you get in normal IRL conversations. The first one there is a new one though, so thanks for pointing it out.
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uhmm does this mean that both Crystalwatcher and the dice have sheets due to being a part of the story in a noticeable in story way?