Crystalwatcher
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Lucky:
"I have no idea why she was there, but no the Magical Girl survived. Though last I knew she had been pulled back to earth due to her wounds."
Crystalwatcher's Magical Girl Quest!
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"I have no idea why she was there, but no the Magical Girl survived. Though last I knew she had been pulled back to earth due to her wounds."
....I can't help but strongly suspect that she was deliberately brought there to trigger such an event now.
Beyogi
and a fairy
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Is there anything stopping them from using elf armies to invade? IIRC they have the manpower.
Too widely spread out and large, IIRC.
Has anybody thought to start colonising the other planets in the solar system yet, or in systems held by their allies?
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There's a few issues with that. First, long range accurate fire is hard. ICBMs, much like old sailing ships, use the stars to guide them. It took years of effort to make this accurate on Earth, and while having done it once makes it easier, you'd still have to get an accurate map of Hell and come up with a way to guide your missiles to actually hit something. Nukes have a good sized blast radius, but Hell is infinite.
Second, Earth can hold a portal open between itself and Hell. What happens if this two-way connection gets seized by the demons? High-Tier demons can pretty much ignore your beachhead and smash through, and this is heading to their turf.
Third, would ICBMs even work? The very long range missiles are carefully tuned to what works on Earth and may not work well, or at all, in Hell. The shuttle crawlers are kind of silly from a force concentration standpoint, but what if you needed most of that to aim and direct your strikes in an unfamiliar environment?
LostDeviljho
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Whyyyy would we?
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- madison
yeah, but they have the entire UL for allies. A few elven and fairy legions for numbers would solve that issue. Also hell is infinite, and rockets outrange damn near everything hell could have possibly planned for. Just find some uninhibited patch of rock a few thousand miles from anywhere and rain down death. Or steal a page out of the UD's book and drop a fairy death squad with a davy crocket a map, and a nuclear hate boner.
The UL has nukes and easy access to hell. leveraging that into glassy craters where there used to be infernal cities should be doable. I had thought that taking hope was pivotal because it let mankind strike at hell directly, but if they can already do that what would taking hope back accomplish?
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- madison
this would be using hells size against it. The beachhead would be far away from anything, it wouldn't have to hold against the worst of hell because it would be out in the boonies. This also wold not need to be a portal, it coudl be a fairy ritual to drop a force in. as for your points about aiming, that's a very solvable problem. Off the top of my head, a crewed high altitude strategic bomber could do it, or they could smuggle in a radio beacon, or they could use the local energy signatures to navigate, or they could use known distances and directions and saturation bombardment. That's assuming they couldn't literally just enchant the nukes not to miss.
Or if they don't want anything big, small stealth teams with salted nuclear mines. They would have to get to maybe the outskirts of a city to kill most the inhabitants with the fallout. It wouldn't have to work flawlessly, it would just have to work enough to force hell to either surrender or take forces away from other fronts to secure their home. As is hell is unstable, knocking out cites at random would likely not do wonders for its political stability.
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Hmm. There might be some value in setting up a factory/fortress in hard vacuum to laugh at the invading demons dying. There's far too many Nightmares that can breathe in space for this to be safe and it's a pain to set up in the first place.
Really a pain. It's easier to set up in the Gobi Desert or the Antarctic where you don't need to make your own air and water.
There has to be enough nice places to visit that colonizing a wasteland is a waste of time.
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- madison
it would depend on how portals worked in space. If it was hard to get to lifeless worlds or habitats it would be very secure.
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- Little Rock, AR
Yeah we would need to get Lucky and find an Acu girl to Von Neumann up stellar infrastructure.
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- Ekaterinburg, Russia
Oh yeah, totes. Eventually y'all will pick the option to go help reopen the gate, and then boom, an opening to retreat.
Pity you weren't faster about it, eh?
What @random_npc said. And more...
Even so.
You're telling me that the UD had black-out'd literally ALL OF HOPE to that no news of Gabriel's continued existence could spread out, even as rumors from terrified demons. That they completely and utterly sealed any possible ways out of that dimension, AND removed anyone capable of opening a way out - so that Gabriel could not escape. That they completely and utterly sealed any possible ways into that dimension, so as to ensure no stealthy recon parties could go in, find out about Gabriel and get the news back. And that they funneled their demons, Nightmares, MGs and the like into the grinder for so long as to finally get Gabriel slain... Finally, that they also funneled their forces, severely depleted as they were, against UL in such a way that UL couldn't get a single recon sent in and returned out?
And they have been doing it for literal years?
Pull the other one.
I share your dissatisfaction, @kelllogo. Really, I do.
It's been centuries since Art of War as first published. Why UL didn't do anything to know their enemy (or at least, their enemy's positioning beyond the frontline) I will not understand.
On a different note, the question is still unanswered - did we ever get an explanation on grappling as a mechanic?
Crystalwatcher
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The standing rules for that are identical to the Hellfire Run spinoff RP I've got going.
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- Ekaterinburg, Russia
Ah, thanks!
So, basically, mutual Auto-attack, extremely lowered Resilience, significantly lowered damage... Not too dissimilar from a mutual Pin.
1) Do Intercept attempts of any kind work?
2) What happens if one character has an Auto Assault weapon? "Hit both"? And if yes, is damage lowered or full?
3) What about the "Dogpile" option? Can it further reduce the dogpiled person's damage or do something else?
4) Is it done with one attack per turn or at full APT?
5) And what about healers?
Demon Foot Soldier has:
Health: 750
Base Damage: 200
Base Resilience: 50
Magic Modifier: 10
His weapon is a Bladed Ax, Lvl 2, 1 APT, with Crush. His spell is Bloodlust which is 50 damage Self-Boost. And he has Armored Skin which lowers magic damage by 10 if I read it right.
Under the rules of grappling he has effective Damage 50 (no Crush) or 100 (Bloodlust pre-cast), Resilience 5. Since spells and MMod are out, it relies on base effects. Hmmm.
If only there wasn't the lowered resilience for the other side too...
Health: 750
Base Damage: 200
Base Resilience: 50
Magic Modifier: 10
His weapon is a Bladed Ax, Lvl 2, 1 APT, with Crush. His spell is Bloodlust which is 50 damage Self-Boost. And he has Armored Skin which lowers magic damage by 10 if I read it right.
Under the rules of grappling he has effective Damage 50 (no Crush) or 100 (Bloodlust pre-cast), Resilience 5. Since spells and MMod are out, it relies on base effects. Hmmm.
If only there wasn't the lowered resilience for the other side too...
Well... On one hand, it helps when you're doing a delaying action. On the other, if you're wrestling...
Let's pick two dudes. HP 10000, Damage 1000, Resilience 1000 - each of them. Normally, they will wail on each other to little effect, but once they're grappling? 150 damage per turn, each of them. So, it kinda gets through resilience. Somewhat.
Let's have one be Striker and the other Blocker. Damage 2000 and Resilience 2000. Grapple.
Striker does 500 damage vs 200 Resilience, while Blocker does 250 vs 100. 400 vs 150 end damage, which means Grappling Favors Damagers.
Let's have a more significant disparity. Wimp has Damage 200 and Resilience 200, Brute has both at 400. In general, Wimp always loses... But in grapple? In grapple, Wimp can muster 10 damage per turn, much more than he could have otherwise. While suffering 80 per turn.
Oh, sure, Wimp loses out. But on the other hand, he actually does damage.
Let's pick two dudes. HP 10000, Damage 1000, Resilience 1000 - each of them. Normally, they will wail on each other to little effect, but once they're grappling? 150 damage per turn, each of them. So, it kinda gets through resilience. Somewhat.
Let's have one be Striker and the other Blocker. Damage 2000 and Resilience 2000. Grapple.
Striker does 500 damage vs 200 Resilience, while Blocker does 250 vs 100. 400 vs 150 end damage, which means Grappling Favors Damagers.
Let's have a more significant disparity. Wimp has Damage 200 and Resilience 200, Brute has both at 400. In general, Wimp always loses... But in grapple? In grapple, Wimp can muster 10 damage per turn, much more than he could have otherwise. While suffering 80 per turn.
Oh, sure, Wimp loses out. But on the other hand, he actually does damage.
Conclusion - Grapple favors those who deal more damage over those with higher defenses - but it also allows those who wouldn't be able to scratch the enemy otherwise, to do some damage.
Conclusion - don't let the small raptors on Jurassic Island dogpile you - that way lies pain.
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Does the rule about not using weapons and attacks hitting both people apply if one of the characters has a (small) autonomous weapon? Something like a little turret that floats next to them.
Crystalwatcher
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Unless they're accurate enough not to beat themselves with it, yes. Otherwise no.
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Here's my first MG idea. Hopefully it works and this is what I was suppose to do with it. Also, I'm terrible at finding pictures, so I took the first decent one.
Eventually gets a way to transfer Slaughter to her enemies, though I'm not sure how to do that in this system. As is, her MG form is a separate body and wounds don't carry over.
To clarify, Already Struck lets her:
1: attack and tie it to the location. She can have it hit that location whenever she wants within the time limit.
2: attack and tie it to the enemy. This can let her have multiple attacks(even from multiple turns) hit at once and overcome resilience.
3: attack and (sort of) tie it to herself. This allows her to leave attacks hanging around her and use them to intercept(well, more auto counter, but whatever) incoming attacks, often with multiple at once.
Combining these might be possible, but would not be easy. Of course, she doesn't start out knowing all this either…
I'm a little worried that the way her abilities work might fit a maker better than a story. Her stats are still within legend maker bounds, so changing her to one should be perfectly workable.
Edit: an ability works differently than I thought, so I changed to it. (Ray is what I wanted.)
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Eventually gets a way to transfer Slaughter to her enemies, though I'm not sure how to do that in this system. As is, her MG form is a separate body and wounds don't carry over.
To clarify, Already Struck lets her:
1: attack and tie it to the location. She can have it hit that location whenever she wants within the time limit.
2: attack and tie it to the enemy. This can let her have multiple attacks(even from multiple turns) hit at once and overcome resilience.
3: attack and (sort of) tie it to herself. This allows her to leave attacks hanging around her and use them to intercept(well, more auto counter, but whatever) incoming attacks, often with multiple at once.
Combining these might be possible, but would not be easy. Of course, she doesn't start out knowing all this either…
I'm a little worried that the way her abilities work might fit a maker better than a story. Her stats are still within legend maker bounds, so changing her to one should be perfectly workable.
Edit: an ability works differently than I thought, so I changed to it. (Ray is what I wanted.)
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Yeah, precision is why I specified small. Obviously something like Goddess Red's Black Knight doesn't work for that.
Amusingly if Nepgear somehow ended up in a grapple she could, so long as she hadn't lost her grip on her weapon, just fire her Purifier Beam. With Apocalypse the splash damage is pretty much guaranteed to blow her and her opponent away from each other. If she had greater then 13,663 Health (two Turns of Segarite Core) then ICORE would flat out no-sell it and even without that it would only do 68 damage, barely scratch.
At least that is assuming the 75% Base Damage reduction doesn't apply because that's representing the character using their body instead of their weapon, hence why weapons with Grapple or are body parts don't qualify.
At least that is assuming the 75% Base Damage reduction doesn't apply because that's representing the character using their body instead of their weapon, hence why weapons with Grapple or are body parts don't qualify.
There isn't really a way for Nepgear to use her weapon while grappling. She'd just be punching her opponent in the face.
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- Earth
What Uber means is for Nepgear to just press the trigger while the gun points roughly downwards.
She can definitely do that.
Crystalwatcher
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That's the origin of the damage reduction, yes.
How would she press the trigger when her hands are busy grappling?
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- Earth
Because the weapon is kind of attached on her arm? She only needs one finger... actually, do we even shoot by pulling a trigger? Or does Nepgear just... uh... send an impulse to shoot, or something like that?
Because if not, the trigger is definitely right next to her hand. In other words, in a place she can reach at all times.