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Literal years?
Then it shouldn't have been inevitable. I mean, an opening to retreat would have eventually been an option.
Crystalwatcher's Magical Girl Quest!
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Then it shouldn't have been inevitable. I mean, an opening to retreat would have eventually been an option.
LostDeviljho
Flame Dragon Princess
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Oh yeah, totes. Eventually y'all will pick the option to go help reopen the gate, and then boom, an opening to retreat.
Pity you weren't faster about it, eh?
Crystalwatcher
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Hmm. Seems my corruption is spreading.
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- madison
Oh yeah, totes. Eventually y'all will pick the option to go help reopen the gate, and then boom, an opening to retreat.
Pity you weren't faster about it, eh?
wait, is the UL really so shit at Intel they missed an army killer roaming around wiping out legions on hope? the world both sides have portal access to?
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- Voidbetweenstars
Same could be said for your update speed. In fact...Pity you weren't faster about it, eh?
LostDeviljho
Flame Dragon Princess
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Reluxus =/= Hope
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Uh.Oh yeah, totes. Eventually y'all will pick the option to go help reopen the gate, and then boom, an opening to retreat.
Pity you weren't faster about it, eh?
Isn't Gabriel already dead though? That's how noob Gabriel inherited the name and everything I thought. Her surviving for years would help explain why there was a gap before the name was re-issued, but only if she died before the New York attack.
LostDeviljho
Flame Dragon Princess
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Yes, that was why there was a
(the point of that post was stating in a roundabout way that no, there were no avenues of retreat, because they closed the door of the only one and then blew off the knob on their side.)
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I thought Gabriel died at hope? did I get the timeline messed up?
LostDeviljho
Flame Dragon Princess
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No, Gabby Prime died after shutting the Reluxus hypergate from the other side.
Crystalwatcher
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When the Unified Light closed the Reluxus Hypergate and the Road to Elysium gate, no one ever managed to find the time to go back and scout how fucked everything had gotten.
The Fall of Hope was such a big hit that the UL has been on the back foot for years now. And only just recently started getting their feet back under them. So everything that's been going on on the other side is still unknown.
The Fall of Hope was such a big hit that the UL has been on the back foot for years now. And only just recently started getting their feet back under them. So everything that's been going on on the other side is still unknown.
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- madison
we should probably do some intel to change that before we go charging in.
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- UTC -6
Summit: Don't ask me. I dropped into an ocean when I gated to Hope. All I saw was rough water before I gated into Chicago.
*Facepalm*
The Counter Force has been sending forces to a dozen hotspots for years and never organized a scouting expedition? While chomping at the bit for a chance to hit back?
Either portals are a bigger deal than I thought or the CF Generals seriously dropped the ball. I thought they were displaying some foresight by trying to hold on to the strategic situation even while Earth was suffering attacks. No scouting or effective scrying is very worrying.
*Facepalm*
The Counter Force has been sending forces to a dozen hotspots for years and never organized a scouting expedition? While chomping at the bit for a chance to hit back?
Either portals are a bigger deal than I thought or the CF Generals seriously dropped the ball. I thought they were displaying some foresight by trying to hold on to the strategic situation even while Earth was suffering attacks. No scouting or effective scrying is very worrying.
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The UD has cheap portals, the UL has good portals, or at least what I've pieced together from what we've been told about the various races travel method*. those hell gates in Chicago were pretty good, but maybe those were something the UD can only do rarely? or they had some limiting factor like not being able to carry bigger demons through?
* elves and humans seem to make giant gates. demons seem to drop in small forces all over the place but launch large-scale assaults rarely despite having a near-bottomless well of demon-power to spend trying to establish a beachhead.
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My hunch is that the UD has a special method for getting to Earth. Might be a person, might be an artifact, probably something they keep safe.
It's not unheard of for independent MGs to go hither and yonder, that's how the Goddess Four was in the town they saved years ago and presumably how Red Rose picked fights with Divine Beings.
It's odd that portals are so hard to put together that the whole Unified Light can't afford the effort to take a look at their former strongholds. While at the same time easy enough that a group of Magical Girls can head off planet for adventure. There's probably issues with fortified areas being protected from portals, but those can't be insurmountable, there would be lots of impassable borders otherwise.
Since we're talking about Hope lets talk about our last mission; we escorted two of the three Messenger Assault Platforms to safety. Each MAP can carry up to sixty Fragarachs and launch them at a rate of six per minute for a maximum sustained bombardment of ten minutes. So all told we've got 180 nukes that can thrown at hope with a maximum sustained bombardment time varying from ten to thirty minutes. Not that you'd want to sustain a nuclear bombardment for anywhere near that long.
This nukes are going to be devastating against Hell's Legions. A forty megaton nuke detonated six kilometers up (optimal altitude for maximum damage) has the following characteristics:
Those numbers sound pretty impressive but it's not until you start looking at the numbers that things really become impressive. For it's not like the AP are going to be just throwing these out randomly. No they will be targeting the heaviest concentrations of demons they can find and given how compact ancient armies could be and how large Hell's Legions are those will be some heavy concentrations. I'd eyeball an historical army to be about three people per square meter but lets say that due to their size, nature, and that all the Legions arn't bunched up next to each other they have half a demon per square meter.
At those densities here are the expected casualties from one Fragarach:
This nukes are going to be devastating against Hell's Legions. A forty megaton nuke detonated six kilometers up (optimal altitude for maximum damage) has the following characteristics:
- A fireball with a radius of 4.23km. Anything within this area is obliterated but due to the height only fliers could be caught.
- An air blast of 20 psi out to a radius of 9.61 kilometers. Everything within this area is flattered and basically 100% of anything is dead
- An air blast of 5 psi out to a radius of 21.5 kilometers. Any non-reinforced buildings will collapse and there will be a heavy mixture of dead and serious injured.
- The heat given off will be intense enough that everything flammable out to a radius of 39.2 kilometers will be on fire.
- The heat is so intense that out to a radius of 55.6 kilometers any humans will have full body third degree burns.
Those numbers sound pretty impressive but it's not until you start looking at the numbers that things really become impressive. For it's not like the AP are going to be just throwing these out randomly. No they will be targeting the heaviest concentrations of demons they can find and given how compact ancient armies could be and how large Hell's Legions are those will be some heavy concentrations. I'd eyeball an historical army to be about three people per square meter but lets say that due to their size, nature, and that all the Legions arn't bunched up next to each other they have half a demon per square meter.
At those densities here are the expected casualties from one Fragarach:
- Fireball: None too high up.
- 20 psi Blast: Covering an area of 290km^2 (290,000,000m^2) means there should be 145 million demons within this area. All dead.
- 5 psi Blast: Covering an area of 1,460km^2 (1,460,000,000m^2) means there should be around 730 million demons within this area. All either seriously wounded or dead.
- Ignition: Covering an area of 4,830km^2 (4,830,000,000m^2) means there should be 2.4 billion demons within this area. Anything flammable on or near those demons has now ignited.
- Third Degree Burns (Human): Covering an area of 9,720km^2 (9,720,000,000m^2) means there should be 4.9 billion demons within this area. All who now have full body burns, although probably only first or second degree since they are tougher then humans.
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- madison
I'm kind of assuming that the UD has some serious mobility advantage over the UL. I mean, one team with a ton or two of cargo snuck into any UD hardpoint could glass it. That hasn't been a thing so I honestly think the UL propper doesn't have access to any type of interdimensional travel that can be used for raiding. For MG's I suspect the ones who are natural can bum a ride with the unaligned front, or at least the powerful or interesting ones can.
For both UL and UD, Human are the best in making gateways with Elves in the second. Human gateway travel differ from the rest of the Local Dimension Cluster in both the method making them and how often can be used. Humans gateways travel are made by drilling a hole in reality like a tunnel/wormhole drive. After making a hole, a station is set up on both site that create a gateway like the Stargate from Stargate Science Friction series. The problem with this method is humanity directly drill a hole in reality had to travel through the empty void between dimension and gateway are fixed at both entry point and exit point. The upside side is once a gateway station had been established travel between them are normally very fast and it cost effective to maintain. Elves Hyper-gateways that allow massive troop movement are in principle are the same as the rest of LDC races portal travel that is a kind of quantum entanglement gateway travel that allow travel to pretty much everywhere.
The main problem with this method of travels is for every gateway that is make, a lot of preparations are require to make one and it pretty much one use gateway and once it close, a new one had to be remade. The larger the number that is using the gateway the greater resource are also needed to make it. Also once past a certain size, the gateway could be detect by anyone the moments it was open.
Elves Hyper-gateways pretty much just cut down the cost needed to create these gateways and it located at strategic location within the LDC to cut down the needed energy to open them.
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so the UL has the same small scale portal abilities as the UD, then why the hell haven't they done any recon or counter-raiding? It's not like stealth units would be that much use of the defensive.
In story wise, Nepgear pretty much doesn't have the authority or haven't care enough to ask about these kind of information. Meta wise, the player base until now haven't voted to acquire those information.
I pretty sure just like UD had done recon and raiding, UL had done the same things as well.
Crystalwatcher
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Hold one, I'm going to write up an info dump real quick for you guys.
Lucky's Library: Dimensional Travel and You
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Lucky's Library: Dimensional Travel and You
Or: Why no one uses Magical Spaceships (We're all looking at you, Nanoha)
Or: Why no one uses Magical Spaceships (We're all looking at you, Nanoha)
Lucky:
"Hey everyone, it's your favorite Fairy team member here! Today I'm going to be talking to you all about Dimensional Travel in the Local Dimensional Cluster!"
Samael:
"And I'm here with her to explain the finer military nuisances as well as the differences that aren't too apparent."
Lucky:
"Good to have you with me Sam!"
Sam:
"No prob."
Lucky:
"Now, as you all know, the setting of this Quest is in a multi-dimensional region. Now, it's somewhat hard to describe how it's all organized, but most species tend towards bubble charts, or hexagram charts to map everything out. Sine not all dimensions are easily reachable from other dimensions except for specific methods.
[The Fairy waves a hand and a map shows up on the wall.]
"Earth itself is in the rough middle of the LDC. This position makes it an incredible strategic asset to control since it allows travel to any of the other LDC's capital dimensions. Like Hell, Heaven, or the High Realm. The last being the seat of power for the Fairy Home Realms. And just close enough to be only a single jump off the Empire's Capital.
[Red Lines originating from "Earth" trace themselves from the Human homeworld to the other 'Capitals' of the LDC.]
"The best way to describe common travel between dimensions is how material travels between cells in an organic body. When someone moves from one dimension to the next, they're enveloped by the 'dimensional wall' and passed on to their destination. This comes out looking like magic portals that give the feeling of walking through syrup when you enter them. It's not disgusting, but it is kind of disconcerting. All but the Human method of dimensional travel operates like this at it's core, though each species has different specifics."
Sam:
"Yeah. Humanity are unique in that what we do, is functionally cut holes in the dimensional wall by drilling through them, then building a doorway into the new hole by setting up our Gates. It has a very "short" blind fire range when compared to other species, but the resultant portal is outright impossible to interrupt unless a Inter Dimensional Divine Being takes notice of the hole and closes it themselves. But the chances of them doing that are roughly the same as you noticing one of the cells inside your body shriveling up and dying."
Lucky:
"Correct. It also has the added bonus of being almost free of energy upkeep costs. Meaning it's human makers can simply plug the apparatus into a local magic field and it'll keep itself open 24/7. It makes a lot of people really jealous.
"Aside from that, the next best portal technology comes from the Elves."
Sam:
"I know this one! The Elf Empire's Hypergates, instead of cutting a hole, or going with the cell analogy, instead builds a bridge, or bypass. It has the same advantage of Human portals in that they're virtually impossible to take down or stop, but with the added advantage of having a far larger "blind fire range" than human portals do. And they're strong enough to reach the far side of the Empire's territory."
Lucky:
"Yup. The drawback though is that they're expensive to maintain. So they only got something like six of them, and the one on Reluxus is considered defunct since the colony was destroyed.
"Moving on though, Heaven and the Fae Home Realms don't actually have any way to move massive amount of troops like Humanity or the Elves do. What we do instead are massive translocation rituals to move our forces about.It's not as long range as the Hyper Gates, nor as efficient as the Human Gates, but it does have the bonus of dropping out entire force simultaneously, instead of creating a bottleneck."
Sam:
"I had a Fairy army dropped on my head once. Even if they were friendly it's not an experience I'd like to repeat."
Lucky:
[Sticks her tongue out at Sam.]
"Anyway. From there you have the Unified Darkness factions like Dark Star and Hell.
"Hell, being the largest, and core power of the group, utilize a mix of hit and run guerrilla style warfare to establish beachheads. The reason for this is because all of the in-fighting of the mid to higher ranks makes massive ritual efforts like the Fairies and Angels use, difficult to organize. So, instead they focus on sending in numerous strike teams all over the place to cause enough chaos for one of them to sneak a Gate Demon into an easily-defensible or convenient location to create a Hellgate."
Sam:
"Hellgates are weird. At their core, they resemble elf Hyper Gates, but are fundamentally different. Namely, the only thing that can move through them are Demons, and only one way. Destroying the structure is more than enough to bring one down, but otherwise there's no defense to one opening in the first place. And more Gate demons tend to scurry on through once the first one is open, snowballing the effect."
Lucky:
"Right. Moving on, the Dark Star are probably the most annoying. Their portals can be opened anywhere there's enough negative energy congregated into one place. Like a graveyard."
Sam:
"Or a Political rally."
Lucky:
"I don't want to know... Other than that they have similar restrictions to regular teleportation and normal countermeasures."
Sam:
"And the last one... Children of Nightmare. God I hate these guys. The Children of Nightmare don't use teleportation magic like everyone else does. Instead, what they do is more similar to a planar shift that drags them between dimensions to the target. Usually someone suffering from a heavy dose of fear."
Lucky:
"That almost cost me my life once, when I was having a panic attack from a Magical Girl glomping me during training, and a Nightmare homed in on it."
Sam:
"Fairy training camps are close enough to the front lines that actually happens?!"
Lucky:
"The Suicide Squad training camps, yeah. It's to help the trainees get used to sudden situations changes. It's why the dropout and fatality rate of the training is so high. Not everyone can survive suddenly having Jason pop out of thin air at you."
Sam:
"..."
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- madison
wait, if humanity has access to hell, why haven't they just found an uninhabited region to create a beachhead before spamming ICBMs at population centers until they run out of targets? I mean after they murdered everyone on hope and made clear their intent to do so on earth I doubt mankind would object to ending them in nuclar fire. Or if they don't have enough nukes, just spray radioactive sand everywhere from high altitude drones.
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Crystalwatcher
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There's a reason whenever someone mentions how diverse the Children of Nightmare are makes humans get awkward and shifty.
Remember that Humanity is the smallest faction in the war: our forces are spread thin enough as it is that any attempt to invading someone else's capital is unlikely to do more than irritate them.
Lack of manpower to do so.
Remember that Humanity is the smallest faction in the war: our forces are spread thin enough as it is that any attempt to invading someone else's capital is unlikely to do more than irritate them.
Did it cost the MG her life? And what was a Magical Girl doing at that training camp hugging people anyway?
Also, Hell is infinite and doesn't necessarily obey standard physics. *points to Heaven and its constantly safe and pleasant nature*