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More they don't particularly care about the barbarians so long as they keep out of the way.
Chronicles of Nations Redux - Civ Quest
- Thread starter Oshha
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More they don't particularly care about the barbarians so long as they keep out of the way.
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[X] [Cadlon] The Merntir candidate Bryndar is elected as Cadlon. (+1 Stability)
[X] [War] Reach out to the Forluc and try to launch a joint invasion with them.
[X] [War] Reach out to the Forluc and try to launch a joint invasion with them.
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While is nothing special when it comes to diplomacy, Bryndar isn't xenophobic beyond the usual disdain of barbarians and him being Cadlon won't hinder cooperation with the Forluc, especially since Blodwyn will be around to do it regardless of who becomes Cadlon.
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That's not as bad, but it'd still be passing up the best cadlon pretty explicitly to acquiesce to xenophobia.
NoxOfUmbra
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It seems that they are just beginning so we can build it first with Rush Builders
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The Arthwyd lack that information as they only have rumours that the Forluc have started to build it.
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Building the Stone Wall doesn't help with beating up Urth. In fact, it actively requires us to devote less actions to beating up Urth. And for what? Let's not half-ass this and get distracted by the shiny, the Forluc building their Stone Wall first isn't such a big deal.
Gonna have to disagree with you. If we don't complete it first we don't get the Megaproject bonuses. In the last quest we got;
Megaproject Completed!
Evatine Walls
A massive set of walls around Greenbay, ancient capital of the Arthwyd and the centre of the Arthrynite religion, the walls are dozen times the height of a man and are seemingly impervious to assault.
Effects: Bonus to defending walled settlements, Bonus to defending Greenbay,
Pick one Megaproject Completion Bonus
[] [Mega] Gain a new random Value
[] [Mega] Gain a new Martial-related Value
[] [Mega] Upgrade a random Value
[] [Mega] Gain a random Hero.
[] [Mega] Gain at least two Technologies
[] [Mega] Upgrade the Blood of Evalyn.
If we don't finish it first we don't get this stuff, just the ability to build stone walls instead of palisades. It would also mean the Forluc get these bonuses. Besides we're already going to do a MAIN War Party and there's good odds on our Province Action supplementing our War effort. We can spare a SEC action to getting The Wall started.
10ebbor10
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Is started good enough?
Starting the megaproject and not commiting enough is worse than either fully commiting or not doing it at all.
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I repeat: not a big deal. If you want another Megaproject bonus, there's the Temple and Sacred Forest.
A Study Magic would be more useful, as syncing it with the war would likely get us magic that's useful against the Caradysh.
We have the Rush Builders legacy which lets us gain 2 progress on a mega project per SEC action instead of just 1 but it makes the action more expensive. If the Forluc are at 1 progress, and it kind of sounds like they are sense it's described as them "beginning" to build it, then next turn, assuming they even sink an action into it, they'll be at 2 progress and we'll be at 2 as well. The turn after we'll be at 4 and they'll be at 3.
If we start now we can beat them to it or if they're at 2 already we can tie them.
10ebbor10
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Assuming of course, that they only put a single secundary action into it.
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We don't know how much work has been done on the Forluc stone wall, we have had no direct contact with them until we built the trade post, they could of started the wall a generation ago and we would of had no idea. We know they have started building a wall but we don't know when they started building it.
They'll be going to war as well and sense they use a military that is largely similar to raising a levy, that is raising the peasantry as soldiers, War will effect their Econ as they'll be trading it for martial. This tells me that they probably can't afford anything more than a SEC action into it if they put an action into it at all.
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The Arthwyd know that the Forluc only started building it after Caermyr was founded, probably in response to the Arthwyd claiming such a prime trading location.
We have an idea.
"More forebodingly, it seemed like the Forluc had a similar idea as rumour spread of the Forluc beginning to build a grand wall of stone around their capital."
Note that it's described as them "beginning to build" rather than, say, "have been building" or "are finishing building". This says that they are, at most, at 2/4ths progress.
Ah, well there we go. They started this turn.
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This assumes that the Forluc have only put a Main Action at most into it and that it requires four progress to be completed.
True, but I seriously doubt they would have invested 3 actions or more into it in a single turn. Could be wrong. I'm also assuming it's 4 progress as that is what it was last quest where we finished it with a single MAIN.
I still feel like we can out pace them to finishing it though as they are about to go to war as well which will require a significant Econ investment from them unlike us. I doubt they can afford Econ cost of going to war and building the wall. We also have Rush Builders so if it does require more than 4 progress then that's good news for us.
Edit: There's also the fact that their current leader is in a bad position politically and will need a huge win under her belt to stay in power. Combine that with their egotism and need to prove that they're better than everyone else I fully expect that they'll be pouring everything they can into crushing Urth and the Caradysh. That doesn't leave a lot of room for wall building.
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The second part of the argument is that we'd be keeping a rival power with very different values from getting their hands on a Martial Megaproject bonus. Which hinders their ability to wage war on the Arthwyd in the future.
I'll point you to this:
It's the other Lowland factions that use a Levy, but the Forluc apparently do enough raiding, looting, vassalage and slavery to support a class of full-time warriors.
Not to say that they might not have a Levy, but they probably wouldn't pull the slaves off the plantation right from the get-go.
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Diplomacy is a much more useful tool to prevent that than trying to speedrun a Stone Wall.
Repeat after me: "Always do DIPLOMACY!"
I'm fairly certain that while they do have some full time warriors they make up an elite core of their military with the rest being the peasant army unlike us where our entire military is nothing but full time warriors. Can't quite remember where I read that though... might be from the discord.
@Oshha, do we know which it is?
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The Forluc use a mixture of their elite Sun Warriors and regular lowlander warriors, but the Arthwyd don't know the exact details of how many they have of each or how many they have one relatively to the other or how each are used.
By "regular lowland warriors" do you mean the pseudo levy that pulls workers away from Econ and into Martial?
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It generally means the hunters or others with a martial inclination turning their martial skills against other people. Only the Arthwyd and Forluc maintain a professional force of full-time warriors in the form of their sacred warriors while the Maradysh train everyone fit to fight as a part-time warrior. Everyone else using martially-inclined individuals as part-time warriors.
Of those, I would only consider the Maradysh to have a levy.