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A lot of Japanese ships were involved directly with war crimes.
Changing Destiny (Kancolle)
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Yes but a couple of Japanese warships also had their captains perform great acts of humanitarian aid. Read, Ikazuchi and Inazuma.
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The exception not the rule. The Graf Spee and Hans Langsdorff would be an example of the honorable ideal of naval warfare, that even though they were acting as a commerce raider she never was involved in any crimes and strictly obeyed prize rules.
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In the first war, there is a story of a German commerce raider which approached a British port intending to attack, but on realizing the far-flung outpost had not been informed of the hostilities as yet, declined to attack an unsuspecting enemy, and instead touched port, bought supplies as in peacetime, helped a local man repair his boat, and left.
That is basically the ideal of honorable maritime combat. Sadly, many captains and crews over the years have fallen short.
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The ship you're thinking of was the emden which after causing significant havoc was finally put down by an Australian ship hmas sydney
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Emden and her Captain, Karl von Müller, are quite an interesting subject to read about. Their exploits and behavior during the war almost read as one of those old 'romanticized pirate' books. Constructing a fake funnel to appear to be a British cruiser? Did it. Taking steps to ensure minimal civilian and merchant marine casualties? Did it, in fact, only 5 confirmed merchant marine casualties are on record. Treating the captured crews and passengers as guests while aboard Emden? Yep, so much so that one of the captured Captains ended up mailing out von Müller's letters for him once he was put ashore. Heck, they even put into Diego Garcia, a British port, and upon realizing the British there didn't know they were at war, re-provisioned, repaired, repainted, and helped the locals repair a fishing boat. They even achieved their goals, stopping British shipping entirely in the areas they operated in. When Emden was finally captured, she'd sent a 50-man landing party ashore at the Cocos Islands. The crew ashore observed the Emden's defeat, took an old schooner from the island, and sailed off to Padang in the Dutch East Indies, from there they traveled to Yemen, then overland to Constantinople where they reported to the battlecruiser Goeben and were returned to Germany. All of the ships officers received an Iron Cross 1st class, the crew all received Iron Cross 2nd class, as did the ship itself (In fact, the Kaiser ordered a new Emden, which displayed said cross proudly on her bow). Additionally, all of the crew were permitted to add 'Emden' to their surnames, which could be passed to their descendants. Finally, the word "Amdan" entered the Sinhala and Tamil languages meaning "Someone who is tough, manipulative and crafty", in Malayalam the word "Emadan" means, "A big and powerful thing", or "As big as Emden". Not often you hear about a ship actually changing the languages of the area it functioned in!
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Yup.
Indeed so. During her wartime "career," as it were, she kept over sixty Allied warships occupied simply trying to run her down.
I envision an enormous, maritime version of the Benny Hill hall chase, but with deadly seriousness.
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Just as well, early in WW2, many U-Boat captains made every effort to save as many lives as possible from the ships they sank. Perhaps the most famous example of this is the Laconia incident, when U-156 sank the troopship Laconia and upon realizing the majority of the survivors were civilians and POW's, set about conducting rescue operations, and even went as far as flying a Red Cross flag. Unfortunately, it didn't stop a USAAC bomber from attacking the boat.
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It's part of why I easily see those two, post-war, switching to the Coasties as search&rescue ships. And/or being rather passionate fans of The Guardian or Finest Hour.
Only from the point of view of the Allied warships. Emden likely thought the whole thing hilarious.
Reads a bit like the hijinks of SM U-35 in WWI and her captain (who had previously served on the Emden), Lothar von Arnauld, the most successful submarine commander in history and a complete stickler for prize rules.
Actually, considering von Arnauld was still around in WWII, I wouldn't be entirely surprised if U-35 had already manifested somewhere.
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Only from the point of view of the Allied warships. Emden likely thought the whole thing hilarious.
Yeah she most likely did.
Great now I got the image of a manifested SM U-35 being basically von Arnauld's adopted daughter in my head.
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Shaithan
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She also had a sister, Dresden, who had her own hide and seek scene. After the defeat at the Falklands she was the sole survivor of the East Asia Squadron and got away from the Royal Navy. She hid in the fjords and bights of Chile, including one that was not on British charts and thus, when locals told them where the ship was, the British disregarded that, as their maps clearly showed a mountain where there actually was an inlet.
Her sinking on the other hand is something of a black mark against Britain. Dresden had been in a Chilean port, intending to intern the ship there. The British disregarded Chile's neutrality and fired on the ship, because they had their orders.
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Emden likely thought the whole thing hilarious.
Yes. A lone German light cruiser, running about the ocean laughing like a madwoman, and scores of battleships, cruisers and destroyers running after, cursing up a storm as they went.
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Probably a master of disguise as well.
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Well Utah is now more or less calmed down.
As for the girls, first off no one officially knows that they can be summoned by human action versus self-summoned under extreme stress or present on board their hulls. Second, right now, Oklahoma is salvageable since she did not capsize this time around, but (like West Virginia historically did) sank upright. She will be refloated and repaired eventually. California is the only definite write-off since she apparently had a magazine detonation ala Arizona 's demise, so a large chunk of her hull is basically gone.
While theoretically Cali could be summoned as a spirit, I am not sure that Thompson would let that information slip, since that opens the door to major problems down the road. First off, what if the Axis finds out and starts summoning their losses to throw back into the fight. Second, if one or more of the summoned girls dies, can you get her back, or do you lose her services to face the greater future threat of the Abyssals? Schneider's situation is somewhat different in that he knows that he will lose the war, and that he desperately needs loyal allies in his plot to save Germany by overthrowing the Nazis.
What I mean is in the future. I still feel that Utah is possibly on her way to becoming an abyssal like the one in the KanColle movie. She doesn't have any positive feelings right now. And since the supplies will be on their way to Pearl to repair the ships why not have Thompson borrow some for an experiment. If it works Utah have someone to be with. If it doesn't, the supplies will still be there to repair the ships. It won't be much of a blow to Admiral Thompson's reputation since it will be just singing on a spare dock whethere it works or not not to mention it can be disguised as a final salute to the dead of Pearl Harbor before going to war in earnest.
Well, there's atleast one shipgirl helping the Jews and possibly another one in Britain in contact with a captured admiral.
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Even more problematically for Thompson suggesting summoning is how he could possibly explain knowing about that in the first place. Even the shipgirls who know they can be summoned only do so because Thompson told them about it. I think it's safe to assume Utah wouldn't/couldn't have self-summoned if she didn't already know she could. Maybe with some bluffing Utah could "figure out" how to summon other girls but I doubt she's in the headspace for it right now.
Somewhat more pertinent and dangerous is the possibility of the IJN figuring it out independently. I'm not sure if it's established who first figured out summoning in CD's Abyssal war, but Japan doing it is the usual fanon. If the IJN can get it to work, the genie's out the bottle from there (Axis almost certainly to find out, USA to find out via tapped communications, UK etc from there and so on...). And when the Pacific War inevitably goes south for the IJN, I can totally see them trying to game the system and then 'oops we accidentally Abyssals'.
Funnily enough, this means it's actually probably for the better that Schneider is (presumably) summoning the High Seas Fleet, and he should summon as many as he possibly can. The more he can summon first and flip to his side, the less the Nazis have access to if/when news gets out later down the line. The only real problem there is logistics; your morass of local Resistance movements aren't exactly well placed to support a wartime navy. Unless he's willing to hand them over to the Brits or something.
Don't forget all the other WWI ships out there and potentially summonable. The Austro-Hungarian Navy, for example, raises all manner of awkward diplomatic questions should they start coming back. What's going to happen to the Italian and French fleets is also pretty high up in the air.
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Actually it might be better if the IJN does have their ships wake up. Can you imagine for a moment Akagi or Kaga or Yamato letting them do the Kamikaze? They'd be breaking admirals in half for suggesting it. We know what their personalities are like from their future selves. Hell, you could even have the entire list of The Emperor's Ships like Hiei attempt to contact the Emperor directly.
At the least they'll likely prevent the test of them, so that this universe's Aso doesn't become an angry ball of trauma and abttered wife syndrome like the BelBatt and Harry and the Shipgirls version.
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Archduke
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So... how do you think that the Axis are going to find out about the summoning ceremonies? This is something that's going to get the Manhatten Project level of secrecy, and the Axis intelligence gathering attempts with spies didn't work. If you need a cover story "they appeared to protect their crews while they were sinking" is good enough. Doesn't expose the ability to summon them at all.
On a side note, Japan summoning shipgirls might actually shorten the war. They don't have the resources to fight this war, in food, minerals, and oil. They were melting down manufacturing equipment for the metal to build new weapons.
On a side note, Japan summoning shipgirls might actually shorten the war. They don't have the resources to fight this war, in food, minerals, and oil. They were melting down manufacturing equipment for the metal to build new weapons.
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Unless their personality was a result of losing the war in general and in being sunk the way they were in particular. By itself the IJN was one of the worst services to be anything less than an officer, with brutal discipline, poor rations (even if not as bad as the army who usually worked with stavation rations) and enough of a superiority complex that before Midway the CarDiv 5 was crippled because one ship was damaged, one had its wing suffering serious losses but still they didn't simply switch the air groups in time for the battle of Midway, so a pre-war IJN ship might have a completely different personality than a post-war one.
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That actually makes it more likely for them to turn on them. From what we can tell the American girl's basic personalities are the same as when they were summoned in the future, all the German girls that are awake appear to be turning against the Nazis, what makes you think that the Japanese ones would be different? Especially if, like in the other places, there's an admiral who can warn them of how bad things are and will be.
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Er... no they aren't re: the US girls? Like, Sara, Arizona and Enterprise were explicitly noted to be completely different from the summoned versions Thomas had met. It's way back in the early chapters but iirc Arizona was supposed to be stoic and silent for one.
German girls are loyal to Germany > Nazis, and have Schneider and his network of invisible ship women to warn them about things like the Holocaust that technically haven't started yet (I think?)
So far, we've seen no evidence of the IJN having a future JSDF admiral. Since experiences in the war definitely shaped at least a few IJN shipgirl personalities (to pick the low-hanging fruit, Shigure and Akebono), and the war has only just started... yeah. They're not going to be the same. Starting out, they're most likely to echo whatever sentiments their crews hold, because that's all the human contact they have.
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Of course Arizona is different, most versions of her future self literally define themselves by Pearl. I don't recall Sara being much different, and E is so new that she's like a child in comparison to any later version.
We also notably haven't had a Japanese viewpoint yet, and the author said that was intentional to keep us in the dark as to what's going on over there prior to the Pearl attack.
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And it's not hard for an admiral to be undermining the Nazis to the point of contacting British intelligence under the Gestapo's noses? While still being trusted enough to meet with Hitler personally?