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Changing Destiny (Kancolle)

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    Vianca said:
    Sorry about that one, was more thinking on how the SI Admiral might try to prevent some future bad ends for Saratoga and potentially Enterprise.
    It is not like the public or most of the military knows or even believes in the existence of shipgirls, so altering certain events would be hard to do.
    Added to this is that some of the technological development that could have potentially prevented this, started way to late thanks to several reason, one of them being lack of money to do the needed research.
    Then a lack of interest or simply not yet thought up yet.

    That was my the core of my thought behind it, what for butterflies could prevent those ending from happening.
    Realising it needed to be several things stacked together to even make a change, at all.

    I will admit Admiral SI is probably more focussed on the more direct future, like making sure Saratoga still exist next week or so.
    I guess that the SI admiral just hasn't had the time to really think long term, yet.
    Then ad the mind fog slowely starting to hide the future memories of events, thanks to the butterfly effect or something like it... (not remembering how Saratoga or Enterprise had their ends, could.....)
    Wonder how boared(?) he will be by his forced bed-rest, though or how long it will be.
    Well, atleast the few shipgirls that exist already, will help with this all, if it doesn't start a faith war in the shadows, that is.
    People are people, after all.

    Part of me is just wondering how many things the SI Admiral will be documenting in terms of technological concepts, but never ever showing this to anybody, for various reasons.
    Then years or even decades later, somebody finding this, when everything has been developed naturally as it has in our own world.
    Could such a thing be used for a omake or a afterword portion, by change?
    Guess only time can tell that one.

    I will (try) not (to) bring it up in the future.
    Honestly, can we get some prove this future event knowledge based mind fog is also clouding future tech development knowledge?
    Would make things simpler, you know.

    So back to the last chapter, Admiral SI is out of it for now.
    What does thin mean for him and Saratoga?
    How long will they both be out of action, for one and could it potentially have unwanted after effects, like say his recovery time being too long and thus getting assigned to some other ship or so?
    Or did something like this actually happen to Saratoga, for real???
    If so, what did happen, then?
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    That does not mean try to continue it by explaining it differently @Vianca. You're getting a three-day thread ban and 25 points under rule 4 and rule 5 for being disruptive and not following a mod decision.

    Everyone else please have a nice day.
     
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    I have been wondering but is part of Schreiber's plan for saving Germany involves winning over the Western Allies by wooing various resistance groups in the occupied countries?

    Obviously, we do not know the exact details of Schreiber's plan, but it makes the most sense in my mind. Even if Schreiber succeeds in overthrowing the Nazis, the Allies, especially the Soviets, are not going to be open to peace negotiations after everything Germany has done. Thus I would imagine that Schreiber's plan involves planned withdraws from certain occupied countries in order to get support from various governments in exile.

    For example, I would think that the biggest potential ally for Schreiber would be the Polish Home Army. If Schreiber offers Poland's freedom and has the German military withdraw from Poland, thus allowing the Polish Government in Exile and the Polish Home Army to take back Poland. It will not only show the western allies Germany's sincere desire for peace but would also provide a land barrier against the Soviet Union. After all, Stalin simply can just invade a newly free Poland to get to Germany. Not to mention, the Poles may despise the Germans, but they very much distrust the Russians.

    What do people think? Is there any flaws with my thinking?
     
    newwriter said:
    Question for all,

    I have been wondering but is part of Schreiber's plan for saving Germany involves winning over the Western Allies by wooing various resistance groups in the occupied countries?

    Obviously, we do not know the exact details of Schreiber's plan, but it makes the most sense in my mind. Even if Schreiber succeeds in overthrowing the Nazis, the Allies, especially the Soviets, are not going to be open to peace negotiations after everything Germany has done. Thus I would imagine that Schreiber's plan involves planned withdraws from certain occupied countries in order to get support from various governments in exile.

    For example, I would think that the biggest potential ally for Schreiber would be the Polish Home Army. If Schreiber offers Poland's freedom and has the German military withdraw from Poland, thus allowing the Polish Government in Exile and the Polish Home Army to take back Poland. It will not only show the western allies Germany's sincere desire for peace but would also provide a land barrier against the Soviet Union. After all, Stalin simply can just invade a newly free Poland to get to Germany. Not to mention, the Poles may despise the Germans, but they very much distrust the Russians.

    What do people think? Is there any flaws with my thinking?
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    Whatever his long term plan is, it will have to come before the "Unconditional Surrender" policy put in place around the time Operation Torch occurred. The Polish Home Army was one of the best organized resistance groups, though I do not know how organized it was by this point in the story. Pulling out of Yugoslavia would free a significant force to help fight the Soviets. This all require the conspirators against Hitler to succeed and somehow agree on the way forward. von Stauffenberg got pretty close to killing Hitler, but there are other Nazis that could pose serious problems. Schreiber is in a very difficult situation to come out of in good shape. There really aren't many allies open for him.
     
    newwriter said:
    Question for all,

    I have been wondering but is part of Schreiber's plan for saving Germany involves winning over the Western Allies by wooing various resistance groups in the occupied countries?

    Obviously, we do not know the exact details of Schreiber's plan, but it makes the most sense in my mind. Even if Schreiber succeeds in overthrowing the Nazis, the Allies, especially the Soviets, are not going to be open to peace negotiations after everything Germany has done. Thus I would imagine that Schreiber's plan involves planned withdraws from certain occupied countries in order to get support from various governments in exile.

    For example, I would think that the biggest potential ally for Schreiber would be the Polish Home Army. If Schreiber offers Poland's freedom and has the German military withdraw from Poland, thus allowing the Polish Government in Exile and the Polish Home Army to take back Poland. It will not only show the western allies Germany's sincere desire for peace but would also provide a land barrier against the Soviet Union. After all, Stalin simply can just invade a newly free Poland to get to Germany. Not to mention, the Poles may despise the Germans, but they very much distrust the Russians.

    What do people think? Is there any flaws with my thinking?
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    Sounds logical but the real question would be if after a coup that would give him control of the german armed forces and even other security formations like the Waffen SS he can afford to give such orders? Even Hitler himself would have been hard pressed to justify giving up that much terrain before it becomes absolutely evident that there is not the slightest chance of even limited victory.

    He would have to time it carefully to have the soviet army close enough to be a clear threat to both the poles and the germans so that they will even consider working together, then he would need to give the western allies enough confidence for them to deploy their entire armies in the heart of the occupied Europe to give pause to a soviet army that hates the germans unlike they have ever hated any other nation ever before, a hate that Stanlin is more than willing to harness in order to accomplish his own goals.
     
    BF110C4 said:
    Sounds logical but the real question would be if after a coup that would give him control of the german armed forces and even other security formations like the Waffen SS he can afford to give such orders? Even Hitler himself would have been hard pressed to justify giving up that much terrain before it becomes absolutely evident that there is not the slightest chance of even limited victory.

    He would have to time it carefully to have the soviet army close enough to be a clear threat to both the poles and the germans so that they will even consider working together, then he would need to give the western allies enough confidence for them to deploy their entire armies in the heart of the occupied Europe to give pause to a soviet army that hates the germans unlike they have ever hated any other nation ever before, a hate that Stanlin is more than willing to harness in order to accomplish his own goals.
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    Yeah that the timing on that will be a thing.
     
    Potentially Schrieber could also use Battleship diplomacy. If he can get the Kriegsmarine girls on his side then he would have quite a bit more backing to anything he tries. It's kinda hard to argue with a battleship, or a cruiser or three.
     
    Das katze said:
    Potentially Schrieber could also use Battleship diplomacy. If he can get the Kriegsmarine girls on his side then he would have quite a bit more backing to anything he tries. It's kinda hard to argue with a battleship, or a cruiser or three.
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    True, they have perfected the art of 'Puppy Dog Eyes'.
    That was what you were implying, right?
     
    ScyBlade said:
    True, they have perfected the art of 'Puppy Dog Eyes'.
    That was what you were implying, right?
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    Well, yes and no. It's really hard to move a battleship on land, as well as the 15" and 8" guns and armor that laughs at 8mm bullets. Which is the fall back if Blücher and destroyer puppy eyes don't work.
     
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    Alright, quick google check says the flag is a Netherlands flag, so theres that.
    On a more serious note, I just realize we MAY have derailed the thread... again.
    Err, Sky! Will tanks be anthropomorphized?!
     
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