Changing Destiny (Kancolle)

Different type of ships, different navies, different engines.

The US did replace boilers and/or engines on all its battleships save the Tennessee and Colorado classes, because as the newest and best they were last in the queue and then the Depression interfered.

Before that happened, there were plans to at least reboiler also those last five. Instead, they were maintained, and then some of them were sunk at Pearl Harbor which necessitated major reconditioning anyway. I imagine as US battleships they didn't have as much demands placed on their engines as the battlecruiser Hood, also.
 
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As a note, apparently, shortly after WW1, there was an exchange of engineering officers between the USN and the RN, where one American engineering officer would spend a month or two serving aboard Hood while one British counterpart served aboard one of the American battleships. Reportedly, the RN officer found it difficult to believe he was aboard a ship powered by steam, because of how clean and free of steam leaks the engineering spaces were. Meanwhile, the USN officer's observations can apparently be summed up by the contents of the first day's entry in the journal he was keeping to report back to the USN once he returned from the joint duty: "I'm in hell."

Says something about the standards regarding the upkeep of the machinery in both navies, that.
 
British battleships also logged more miles during the war with less time in maintenance than American battleships. That doesn't explain Hood, but it sure did a number on the rest of their prewar battleships.
 
British battleships also logged more miles during the war with less time in maintenance than American battleships. That doesn't explain Hood, but it sure did a number on the rest of their prewar battleships.
yeah the QE's and R's were both pushing 20 years when they got refits, so problems is something you'd expect. The problem with hood is that she was suffering engine problems normally associated with 15 to 20 year old boilers.
Different type of ships, different navies, different engines.

The US did replace boilers and/or engines on all its battleships save the Tennessee and Colorado classes, because as the newest and best they were last in the queue and then the Depression interfered.

Before that happened, there were plans to at least reboiler also those last five. Instead, they were maintained, and then some of them were sunk at Pearl Harbor which necessitated major reconditioning anyway. I imagine as US battleships they didn't have as much demands placed on their engines as the battlecruiser Hood, also.
I think your missing the point here. Nine years between engine overhauls isn't normal. Even for the royal Navy 15-20 years was the normal life span for a propulsion system. Saying Hoods engine conditions was normal for her age is like telling a doctor with a straight face that its normal for a 30 year old to have congestive heart failure.
 
yeah the QE's and R's were both pushing 20 years when they got refits, so problems is something you'd expect. The problem with hood is that she was suffering engine problems normally associated with 15 to 20 year old boilers.
Hood's boilers and turbines were almost 20 years old in 1939, with a thorough maintenance in the early thirties, but that was a repair of the originals, not a replacement. It's perfectly normal for Hood to suffer problems associated with 20 year old boilers, since that was what she had.
 
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The Fateful Collision of USS Arizona and USS Oklahoma, October 22, 1941

I learned yesterday that USS Arizona was not supposed to be in Pearl Harbor on December 7th, 1941. This is one of those minor facts that invariably seem to pop up to remind us that history is just as often … Continue reading →

Don't mean to slight necro, but apparently USS Oklahoma was a bit of a clumsy girl during maneuver exercises, causing both the Arizona and Oklahoma to be stuck at Pearl Harbor, when the Arizona was meant to be at Bremerton receiving modernizations.
 
Interlude: Utah and The Old Guard
Interlude: Utah

Compared to any city in the United States, it was not hard to see that London was a city at war. People were thin on the ground, darting to and from storefronts in ways that spoke to long practice. More than a few would look to the sky, nervously gulping as if they expected bombs to fall any second. Even the more relaxed walked with a purpose and wasted little time. Compared to New York, lights shining into the night, or any other American city? Where people didn't act like they were in any danger, and just went about business as usual? It was a sharp and unwelcome contrast and a reminder of what could happen if the war turned truly sour. Not a good thing to contemplate.

As if Pearl hadn't been enough of a reminder, as a gray-haired woman brought a hand to the thin scars crisscrossing her face and let out a little sigh.

'Admiral, do you mind if I walk around London? I'm curious about how different it is.'

'Have you never been to London before?'

'I've been to Britain. Did I go to London...? I don't honestly remember, that was a long time ago. But...I want to see it with my own eyes. Walk with my own feet. This is something I feel like I need to do.'

'Don't let me stop you! I've got too much work to do here, so I won't be able to join you, though. Just remember to take your papers with you. No one will mess with you if you do.'


So, with the harried Admiral Thompson's permission, Utah had decided to wander London. Not sure exactly what she was looking for, beyond just base curiosity. Perhaps she wanted to see what life at war was like.

I'm not even sure why I asked to do this. I...feel I had to do this. Maybe I'll learn why before I return.

Shaking her head, Utah brushed a lock of silver hair back and tried to ignore the looks she was getting. More pity than any worry or curiosity about her. Perhaps, despite her relatively youthful features, the people assumed she was an old woman who was wounded in a bombing raid. Ha. They wouldn't exactly be wrong, now would they? Wrong reasons, right conclusion. Stranger things had happened.

"Excuse me, miss? You need to step back, this is a military base." The first person to talk to her, in fact, was a young man in some form of uniform. He looked apologetic for interrupting her, though his rifle wasn't far from hand. "Are you lost? First time in London, right? I know the look."

Utah smiled softly, despite herself. "I don't know if this is my first time. It would have been years ago, though, so I may just not remember it." Smiling a little more at the confused look from the young man- the boy, really -Utah shook her head again. "Sorry, just an old woman rattling on. Where am I, exactly? I don't want to go somewhere important."

Tilting his head to the side, the soldier scratched at the side of his scalp, beneath his old helmet. "This is the docks, ma'am. I would have thought the smell would have tipped you off! Right stinky place, it is."

"I've been to docks many times. The smell is something I'm very used to now." Utah couldn't help the small amount of amusement she got out of confusing the poor boy. Being able to talk to someone outside the Navy was...she could never get enough of it. "Sorry, sorry. Though...do you mind answering an old woman's question? I promise I'll be out of your way after that. Don't want to be getting a nice boy like you in trouble."

"Ask away, madame." The boy flushed a little, coughing at the way Utah smiled at him.

I wonder if he feels like I'm his mother. Perhaps his grandmother.

It didn't occur to the boy, nor the woman, that Utah was probably only a decade or so older than the boy.

"I've heard that Victory is in drydock to become a museum. Could you direct me to where she is?" If she were asked, Utah wouldn't be able to tell anyone what prompted that question. She just felt...right.

"Victory?" For his part, the boy was confused more than anything else. "Erm...right. I'm sorry, ma'am, but Victory hasn't been in London in decades. Far as I know, she's down in Portsmouth. Do you know where that is? It's not that far from here, really, though you might have some trouble catching a train. What with the war and all."

Utah simply shrugged, and pulled out her papers. When she showed the picture- with a fake name, admittedly -and the signature of Churchill himself, the poor lad's eyes practically bugged out. He coughed, almost choking on his own breath. "W--well, that would work, yes. Would you like me to get my Leftenant to escort you, madame? I imagine someone as important as you would--"

"That won't be necessary. I'd like to look around the countryside a bit, anyway."

Giving the poor boy a little wave, Utah continued on her way. The map in her mind- her navigator, seemingly reincarnated, looking over it -pointed her in the right direction better than any young soldier could. She could visit Portsmouth and be back to Admiral Thompson within the day, if she was quick about it. Why she wanted to see Victory so much? That she couldn't answer. Not until she had actually talked to the old girl...

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"Ma'am, can I ask why you're wanting to board Victory? She's still being refit at the moment and isn't open to the public. Doubly so with the War."

It was hard to resist the temptation to sigh, it really was. Utah stood before a portly middle-aged man, who wore an ill-fitting Commander uniform. Or so her crew said it was, those who had served in the Great War. Did he expect her to be a German spy wanting to set Victory alight or something? She'd make a poor spy indeed, if she were trying to do that in broad daylight.

"I have...personal reasons to see Victory." Utah still didn't have a direct answer to give, so she wasn't even lying. "I won't go anywhere dangerous."

The man stared at her, suspicion in his beady eyes. "Hm. You a descendant of a crewman or something? Can't imagine why you'd want to board her until after the War if you aren't something like that. It's not like Victory is going anywhere!" His face twisted into a deep, dark scowl. "Unless the Huns manage to actually bomb her. Bastards can't resist trying to spit in our eyes. See how they like it when we burn one of their fancy museums to the ground."

Perhaps it was because she had already looked at the depths of her anger and come back from the brink- though it would always be lurking beneath the surface -but Utah couldn't stop from rolling her eyes this time. Luckily, the man didn't notice. Revenge. What good was revenge, when it only hurt the people you cared about? She'd never forget the sight of that burning plane. She wouldn't let herself forget.

"That's part of why I want to see her now," and this time she was lying through her teeth. "I don't know when I will get another chance. I'm only in Britain for a little while before I head back to the States. Victory may not be here when I return, if I ever do."

If I even survive this war. Admiral Thompson is still worried that I may have to fight something I can't beat, though I can't get a straight answer out of him.

"A Yankee?" The middle-aged Commander blanched, his face showing more annoyance now. "A Yank wants to board Victory, in the middle of the War, when we're trying to refit her? You expect me to---"

Tiring of the man's blustering, Utah just pulled the papers out again. She got a little vindictive amusement out of the way he paled, when he saw her picture and Churchill's signature authorizing her access to anything short of the Admiralty. And even that was allowed, provided she was with Admiral Thompson. The man reminded her of some truly unsavory types she'd had in her crew over the years. His stubborn resistance, in particular, reminded her of the officers who had ignored her when she tried to talk to them. Until...until Joe had listened.

It wasn't a fond memory, and if she could push it down by making this man splutter, well...it pleased a part of her she'd rather not talk about.

"A--aah--" Struggling to put words together, the man thrust the papers back at Utah and looked at her with a very sour expression. "...I don't know, or want to know, why the Prime Minister gave you permission to come here, Mrs. Jackson--"

...Admiral Thompson still has a strange sense of humor. Utah still couldn't hide the flush when she heard that name. Or how she remembered the gobsmacked look on her Engineer's face.

"---but if you want to board Victory, you may. I'm sure you'll understand if I have men keep an eye on you. For your own safety, of course."

"If they must."

Utah knew, very well, that it wasn't about her safety. She was a woman, with the Prime Minister's signature. Intruding on a man's personal fiefdom. A man who, if his appearance was any indication, had been enjoying his cushy assignment far from the frontlines. Hm. Maybe she'd drop a comment around Oak, next time she saw the younger battleship. If Utah was lithe and elegant in a motherly way, Oak was built like a brawler and a proper battleship. Imagining her reaction to the man in charge of Victory acting like this?

Laughing softly to herself, Utah boarded the gangplank to Victory, electing to ignore the uniformed men following behind her at a respectful distance. They, at least, seemed more awkward about things than anything else and were giving her space. As, indeed, did the many laborers toiling to shore up Victory and replace rotted planks. A few curious glances directed her way, nothing more.

I wonder...where would Victory be hiding?

The old battleship wasn't interested in any of the various men wandering around anyway. She was only interested in one person.

"Victory...can you hear me?" Utah whispered, knowing very well that her voice would carry. If Victory were like her, the old girl could hear anything on her hull, no matter how quiet. If she just listened.

A theory quickly confirmed, when a rough voice spoke up from beside her. "W--who the bloody hell are you?"

The voice was rough and gravelly, from disuse or age, it was hard to tell. Maybe it was both. Utah couldn't tell, when she turned her head and looked at the source. The first thing she noticed was how short the woman was. She only came up to Utah's elbow, more or less, and Utah wasn't the tallest woman around in her own right. The second thing that she noticed, was that the woman was dressed in a positively antique uniform. The coat had gold thread on the shoulders, and she carried a sword that wouldn't have looked out of place in a museum.

"You going to stare, or are you going to talk?" The woman's rough voice drew Utah's eyes back to her face, sallow and sullen.

Her skin was pockmarked, as if heavily injured and barely healed over, and her nose looked like it had been broken and reset poorly. Crooked and rough. Bushy eyebrows, gray streaked blonde, sat above watery brown eyes. The woman's shoulder-length dark blonde hair was pulled back into a loose ponytail, and the only thing that seemed to be missing was a stereotypical tricorn hat. Well, that and anything resembling a smile.

"Sorry, you're...not quite what I expected." Utah apologized, her grey eyes shifting to look back at the men following her. They weren't paying too much attention. Still, better safe than sorry. "We should sit down..."

Not waiting for a response, Utah found a bench that had clearly been set for the workers. As none were around at the moment, Utah took advantage to sit down. She even let out a drawn out sigh, to play up her apparent age. It worked, as the men watching her settled for leaning against the railing around Victory's deck and talk with each other, while keeping an eye on her.

As for the ship herself? Victory, for who else could it be, sat next to Utah with a huff. Her stocking-clad legs shifted, the scuffed boots on her heels clacking against the wood. "So. You are clearly not human. No human could see me."

Her accent was so thickly British that Utah got the feeling Victory was deliberately talking slowly, so the 'foreigner' could understand her. "You'd be correct. USS Utah, BB-31. Would I be right to guess you're Victory then?"

"Naturally. Who else would I be?" Victory seemed to be more annoyed than curious as to how someone could see her. "BB...what the 'ell does that mean, anyway? Never heard a Pennant Number like that one."

Utah chuckled softly, "It isn't a Pennant Number. Our navy doesn't use those, we use identification codes. BB is for battleship." Looking at Victory out of the corner of her eye, the old battleship turned her gaze skyward and sighed. "I think that makes you my great-grandmother, at least if you use our roles. I'm the new 'Line of Battle' ship."

For the sake of Victory, Utah didn't mention that she was nothing new and that much better battleships were afloat. Or that, if Admiral Thompson was correct, battleships wouldn't last past this war. Not as the pride of any navy.

"You Yankees and your special names for everything under the sun..." Victory just grumbled anyway, rubbing at her brow. Bloodshot eyes looked at Utah, and did so with a challenging air to them. "So. What's a fancy battleship doing visiting little old me? Surely you have more important things to do. How in the bloody hell are you even here anyway? Ships just up and walking around now? What else have I missed, cooped up here all the time?"

She's bitter. I wonder...no, I don't wonder why. I know exactly how she feels.

"It isn't fun being cooped up here for decades, is it?" Utah asked her own question, instead of answering. If the way Victory twitched was any indication, she wasn't wrong either. "I know how it feels, for what that is worth. I've spent the last decade or so as a target ship for my daughters."

Victory quirked an eyebrow, "What kind of...a target ship? What, your navy too cheap to buy disposable targets?"

"Perhaps." Utah shrugged her shoulders, figuring it would be for another time to explain the concept of moving targets and fire control systems.

"Forget that," Victory continued to stare at her, evidently deciding that she didn't much care anyway. "You never answered my question. Besides, you cannot understand what my life has been like. Flagship of Nelson, victor of Trafalgar, and the Navy let me rot at dock for decades before stuffing me in here. And what good did that bloody do? I have spent the last couple years being attacked by flying machines from the Germans, if the gossipers are telling the truth." Victory glared up at the sky, before turning her gaze back to Utah. "And for all of that, they still haven't done much more than shore up my old beams. Give it a few more years, and I will bloody well sink into the dock in pieces."

To be fair, Utah hadn't been down to Victory's keel or anything like that. But from the amount of workers and wood laying around...she could believe the old warrior. "Maybe I can't understand that. Even so, I was barely keeping myself moving before the Japanese sank me. I know the feeling of dying and being unable to do anything about it."

That, finally, got an appraising look from Victory. "Asians sank you? How did they possibly pull that off?"

"Underestimating them because they're not white was a bad idea." Utah was dry in her response. Casual racism was still a sore point with her, when Admiral Thompson had berated each and every one of the ships he could talk to about it.

None of them had ever looked at their African-American cooks and laborers the same way again.

Victory shrugged her shoulders, covering a soft wince at the movement. "I've been in my fair share of battles, and my fair share of near-death moments. Is that how you are here, then? You died and somehow you can...bloody walk and talk like a normal person? How does that even happen?"

"I wish I had an answer to that. I don't know myself."

Utah let that hang in the air, leaning back to let the sun warm her skin. Cool, salty air wafted over from the busy port, the sounds of men and ships echoing even here. Victory would never see the sea again, but she was close enough to still hear every single one of the newer ships moving by. Was it any wonder she was sour? Utah had felt similarly, when she was torn down and made a target while her daughters were upgraded and sent out to potentially fight wars. She'd never get the chance to sail in formation with them again. She would have to always sit back and watch them leave.

Yes. She could understand Victory better than the old tall-ship thought she did.

"Victory." Utah turned her gaze fully onto the older ship, raising an eyebrow at how Victory had her eyes shut and was leaning back herself. "Can I ask you something?"

The ancient warship snorted in a distinctly un-ladylike manner. Didn't even open her eyes. "You already have been, Yankee. Feel free."

"Did you ever feel like the warships around you are your daughters? I wasn't lying earlier, you are my ancestor in a lot of ways. Did you ever look at Dreadnought or the others and think they were your children?" Utah didn't know exactly what she was expecting to hear from Victory. Or even why she was asking the question.

There wasn't an answer, at least not right away. Victory hummed softly, continuing to keep her eyes shut. As if she were deep in thought, or merely resting off the aches and pains she had to be feeling. Utah couldn't blame her for that. Her old body had hurt at times, and she hadn't been in nearly as bad of a shape.

"That is a hard question to answer, Yankee." Victory finally spoke up, her gravelly voice rough with emotions that were hard to decipher. Her eyes remained shut. "I rarely saw any ship newer than Warrior, you know. Not to any great extent. I know Dreadnought and what she created, but...haaaa." Letting out a long, drawn out sigh, Victory held a calloused hand up and shook it. "Were they my children? Not any more than Warrior or other ironclads. We were always different breeds. I never even got to know them."

Utah felt her shoulders slump, just a little. Had she honestly expected anything else?

"I always looked at the younger battleships as my daughters, my children." Utah whispered softly, brushing her hair back and not looking at Victory's stubbornly shut eyes. "I know they weren't. Not biologically, not by design, and certainly not because I was the first of my kind. I wasn't even the second or third or fourth." The battleship laughed, softly and weakly. "They still treated me as their mother anyway. It was silly, but I loved them all the same."

Victory was silent, before sighing heavily. She finally opened her eyes, bloodshot brown looking at Utah with a calculating expression. "You came to the wrong person to ask about that, Utah." She actually used the battleship's name, and it wasn't sarcastic at all. "For what it may be worth, that sounds like what a mother should do. I had elders like that, when I was your age."

Climbing to her feet, Victory smoothed her skirt and limped over towards a hatch leading down into her hull. The ancient warship looked back at Utah, eyebrow raised high and a sardonic smile on her face.

"They may not have been my mother, but I sure as hell loved them like they were. That is what matters, innit? Remember that, next time you wonder if you deserve to be called a mother." Victory raised a hand in a wave, descending into her hull with a final parting shot. "Maybe the next time we meet, I will have a different answer for you. Might as well see if any of those metal monstrosities think I was their mother..."

In her own, rough and callous way, Victory had answered the question Utah hadn't asked. It had the gray-haired woman looking up at the overcast sky, with a smile that refused to fade.

Yes...I'm their mother, despite everything. I shouldn't doubt that...I love Ari, Okie, Cali and all the others. And they love me too...

She sat there for a long time, lost in thought as men continued to do what they could to fix up Victory around her.


You would think being stuck at home would help my muse. It might, if I weren't sick half the time, or not sleeping the rest of the time, or any number of things that have left me in bed and not able to really do anything. I may like being at home, but even I'm having my limits pressed.

It hasn't been a fun couple months.

As for this...initially, I was going to do a short little 1-1.5k interlude for Mother's Day yesterday. Then Victory took over my keyboard and, well, we get the above. :p


(I'm going to try to work on the next proper chapter soon, though it'll be a long one to make up for the wait. So it may take a little bit more to write, though I'm going to try and make it soon.)
 
I'll be honest, I was expecting her to have to search thru the hull to find where Victory was sleeping. Maybe find her in a hammock or in the admirals bed.
 
Well I think that a few of the RN Shipgirls might also be making a visit soon
 
No offense Sky, but mentioning you're sick right now damn near gave me a heart attack. You really might want to go into more details as to WHAT kind of sickness. Normally, I'd never say that, as it is rude as hell (and I do apologize), but....these are not normal times.
 
So...did the crew just see some strange woman take a seat inside Victory and have an involved conversation with her imaginary friend?
 
So...did the crew just see some strange woman take a seat inside Victory and have an involved conversation with her imaginary friend?


Unless the Guys who actually end up close to her Can see Victory, unlike the Commander, who only considers her a useful posting....

(Note: Crack Omake Only)

"...So, did you have a good talk with Victory, Ma'am?"
Utah turned and glanced at her alleged Escort for the traces of the joke...that weren't there. Instead there was a sort of sad understanding that could only come from one place.
Her voice, already throaty, cracked a little as she asked simply "How?"

"We...see things a little differently than the Commander; he only cares about his career and his chances in the War; he doesn't Care about the ship, doesn't Care about Her.
Those of us a little closer to the bottom...to the Lower Decks, if you will...things are different for us; we spend a lot of time close to her.
Worrying about ourselves, of course, but also worrying about her.
Thinking about her.
In the end, perhaps it was inevitable that some of us would start to care.
Care for her, Care About her.
And once you start to care...She stops being an 'It' and becomes Her; becomes a person. A friend.
And when you're all alone on Guard duty, with thoughts of the War and the Raids and all the death and chaos going on...It's nice to think there's a Friend close by, even if they keep to themselves; Just them being there is enough. "

Utah, Nodding along, understood. Except for one thing.

"Then how come she doesn't think you can see her?"

" Oh at first we couldn't; At first, we'd hear sounds, noises...creaking timbers and whistling in rigging that wasn't there and the groan of sails that weren't hoist, and we'd think we were imagining it, or maybe we'd had a drink the night before and we hadn't fully slept it off?...then, as it went on, it became more than that.
We wouldn't talk about it, even among ourselves, but we knew it was more than just random noises or imaginings; we knew others were hearing it, even if we never said so, even to ourselves...
There's always been superstition about the sea, and about ships, so maybe we were all just jumpy because of that, so we wouldn't say anything, just carry on...
and then it went further than that.
I don't remember who it was first, but you can't just suddenly see something like that and not show it, so the others who were on duty knew something had been seen when one of them looked like he'd seen a ghost.
At first it got left alone, then there was some needling and jokes about it. Then, like always, it got dropped...
until it happened again.
And Again.
The Jokes continued, mind, since it was a way of coping, see, but we stopped being quite so quick with them, or so pointed...."

And Utah understood that too; It had worked like that for her, after all; admittedly because she had been aiming at the wrong person.
In Victory's case...she hadn't been trying at all; Hadn't been lucky enough to know it could be possible, unlike Utah.
How much longer had it taken? Little wonder Victory Hadn't noticed that she was being noticed.
After all, how much longer Had Victory been here? Hundreds of years, even, and Utah got a chill just thinking it.
Surrounded by People, yet still all alone; she herself had had enough of that, for the comparitively short time she'd been docked.

"You don't talk to her, do you?" Utah asked, but it was not a question.

" Not directly, no; most of us don't go up to the ship itself much. Sometimes we'll have a one-sided conversation with her hull, if we're that close; or we'll shelter from the wind and offer a couple of words, but that's about it. We've seen the way she looks...we weren't sure if trying would break her, the way she looks, or maybe it would make the magic go away. We didn't want that, so we just Carry on, and try and make sure things stay as shipshape as we can"

"Hmn" Utah answered, "I see. Well, then. I know I can't tell you to do anything, but I can ask; will you do me a Favour?"

"Ma'am?"

" Talk to her, when you next get Chance. It doesn't have to be much; small talk, if nothing else, but talk to her."

" Are you sure she wants that?" he asked, hesitating a little.

Utah thought about that; "No, I'm not sure she wants it, but I am sure that she Needs it" She answered, then continued, "and I think I need to know that someone at least Tried."

"...Well..." he answered, embarassed, "I think we can do that...I can't promise how she'll respond, of course. But we can try."

"That's all I ask." Utah assured "...Because now I know that it's possible, I would hate for her to have to continue on alone, even as stoic as she is about it, now that she doesn't have to; I had enough of that the time I was stuck in the docks...to be alone for as long as Victory has? That must be beyond Terrible. She may not see herself as related to me, but I do see it, now, damn it, and I can't not do something about it."

"...I don't think it's even that, really" The Man offered, and Utah looked at him quizzically " You're like us, a little; You've let yourself start to Care, maybe without even noticing it, just as we didn't notice it. But Even if you don't realise it, it still matters."

Utah stopped and thought about that. About how it matched with what Thompson had told her, and with her own experiences, her own newly found Emotions, and how they had affected her, how they had changed her into whatever it was that she was now. She was going to have to talk with Thompson again when she returned to London, because maybe, she had discovered another facet of whatever it was that made her what she was.
 
Very nice.

Just one small problem.

Victory doesn't know about battleships and goes on about "special Yankee names". Then later she knows about Dreadnought and her successors.

I would go with the latter. She would probably be better informed than she first comes across as.
 
While I agree that Victory is Utah's ancestor in a general sense in terms of type.
Her immediate ancestor in terms of the US Navy would be U.S.S. Constitution as she is the only ship remaining of the six original frigates and still on active duty.
 
Her immediate ancestor in terms of the US Navy would be U.S.S. Constitution as she is the only ship remaining of the six original frigates and still on active duty.
I would think USS Independence would be her ancestor, as Independence was the first Ship-of-the-line ordered for the USN.

If you're looking at role, then a ship-of-the-line would be more appropriate. Constitution would probably fill a similar state as Victory, but those frigates were more akin in combat role to Battlecruisers. I suppose you might also include USS Monitor or CSS Virginia as they are the first US Ironclads, though they were very different in terms of combat role (Monitors being more of coastal defense ships, Virginia was supposed to break blockade).
 
Re: sickness

I don't have the virus, or any symptoms thereof, don't worry. With my lungs already being crappy, I've basically been cooped up in my room for the last...three odd months now? I only leave the house to get food. What I've been dealing with is a lot of headaches and the odd pains in my body that keep me from sleeping properly. Not fun, but also not life-threatening or anything like that.

Re: Victory

She's not technically Utah's ancestor in anything but general terms, yes, but that wasn't really the point of the conversation. Utah was looking for answers and that was the way she could get answers. That, and Victory is the one she could ask about these things.

(relatedly: What Victory was being grumpy about wasn't the term 'battleship' being made up by 'Yankees' it was the hull-code system (BB and such) that she was grumbling about)
 
Re: sickness

I don't have the virus, or any symptoms thereof, don't worry. With my lungs already being crappy, I've basically been cooped up in my room for the last...three odd months now? I only leave the house to get food. What I've been dealing with is a lot of headaches and the odd pains in my body that keep me from sleeping properly. Not fun, but also not life-threatening or anything like that.

Re: Victory

She's not technically Utah's ancestor in anything but general terms, yes, but that wasn't really the point of the conversation. Utah was looking for answers and that was the way she could get answers. That, and Victory is the one she could ask about these things.

(relatedly: What Victory was being grumpy about wasn't the term 'battleship' being made up by 'Yankees' it was the hull-code system (BB and such) that she was grumbling about)
I mean, I honestly prefer the term for BS for Battleship. And BC for Battlecruiser. Much more intuitive. It's also much more often used in the games I play.
 
Let's recall that, even by the most generous possible interpretation, Victory is close to 180 years old at this point. Toss in the bombing raids, the 'left to rot' and then the 'tossed into dry dock for a couple decades'...

She's a bit grumpy about basically everything :V
 
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