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Just exclude negligible enemies, so mosquitoes don't count either even if they are a hostile force acting of their own malevolent will
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Or just put in a level limit, so the bonus she's pulling from scrubs only works against up to scrub+limit level opponents.Just exclude negligible enemies, so mosquitoes don't count either even if they are a hostile force acting of their own malevolent will
Jonen C
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Really, it should work, but it should be considerably less efficient than just piling up the drones power supplies and letting her snatch them on the go.
She uses energy jiu jitsu on the antags because they won't willingly give her their power.
She uses energy jiu jitsu on the antags because they won't willingly give her their power.
SolipsistSerpent
Endlessly Devouring
You're the GM, you get to define what counts as an 'enemy'. Defective drones armed only with laser pointers don't have to count.
Motile Mollusc
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So we'll never get to see Anna going about her daily life followed by a murderous but ineffective swarm of 800,000 drones trying to squeeze their way through doors in a timely manner?
Just exclude negligible enemies, so mosquitoes don't count either even if they are a hostile force acting of their own malevolent will
But swarms of negligible enemies can become quite threatening. I mean, during the Alaska simulation the flight saw swarms of tanks take down high level Types that would otherwise completely mulch them.
SolipsistSerpent's suggestion is certainly the easiest way to make sense of the matter.
The weird thing, I think, comes about when the antagonists are able to munchkin the number of enemies Anna faces, but the humans can't. If the antags have enough data to understand how Target Rich Environment works, surely the UN has even more, and they will be looking for ways to make it trigger in every battle--not just using an impromptu swarm of garbage-tier drones.
The end result is a merry chase where all low-level antagonists are trying to run away from the engagement while Anna shouts "FACE ME!", the UN orders her to contain but not to actually kill them (general orders would, in fact, be to run deeper into Antagonist territory, as they only have so many Type Zeroes while an unlimited number of mooks), and the strategic goal is to corral an increasing number of low-level antagonists (inflated by as many UN plants as possible) into the battleground.
There would be extensive tests concerning what actually counts as an enemy. Anna would end up fighting lions, bears, and nuclear-capable pterodactyls. If Caitlin wasn't already an Antagonist, she would certainly be planted into the battlefield with the falsified memories of being one.
The UN would start sending fake Annas in order to force the low-level mooks to run away from the battleground, only for a swarm of conventional Valkyries to descend upon the unguarded targets or Type Zeroes.
It would be delicious, delicious chaos and one-upping.
The weird thing, I think, comes about when the antagonists are able to munchkin the number of enemies Anna faces, but the humans can't. If the antags have enough data to understand how Target Rich Environment works, surely the UN has even more, and they will be looking for ways to make it trigger in every battle--not just using an impromptu swarm of garbage-tier drones.
The end result is a merry chase where all low-level antagonists are trying to run away from the engagement while Anna shouts "FACE ME!", the UN orders her to contain but not to actually kill them (general orders would, in fact, be to run deeper into Antagonist territory, as they only have so many Type Zeroes while an unlimited number of mooks), and the strategic goal is to corral an increasing number of low-level antagonists (inflated by as many UN plants as possible) into the battleground.
There would be extensive tests concerning what actually counts as an enemy. Anna would end up fighting lions, bears, and nuclear-capable pterodactyls. If Caitlin wasn't already an Antagonist, she would certainly be planted into the battlefield with the falsified memories of being one.
The UN would start sending fake Annas in order to force the low-level mooks to run away from the battleground, only for a swarm of conventional Valkyries to descend upon the unguarded targets or Type Zeroes.
It would be delicious, delicious chaos and one-upping.
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Avalanche
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I'm being serious now. You cannot manipulate the activation conditions of TRE in bad faith.
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I don't know why, but this got a good snort of a chuckle out of me.
Alphaleph
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Imagine if that's a thing.
Anna fighting a T0 without TRE and losing, and then a bunch of Valks tries to use the chance to sabotage/assassinate Anna only for Anna to get a power boost and mopping the floor with the T0 and the Valks.
Less a power boost and more 'well I'll just beat you all to death with eachother' I would think.
Think less 'Anna becomes more powerful' and more 'Anna uses deadly dodging, deflections, energy absorption techniques and redirections to turn her enemy's strength against themselves'. TRE works because there are only so many angles of attack that are safe for your allies in a crowded combat environment, and Anna is very very good at exploiting that fact. Either the enemy tightens their fire discipline, or they shoot their friends. Both are to her advantage.
Message received loud and clear, Director!
*closes browser, starts talking to empty room*
"Big Sister? Can you hear--stupid question. Concerning Project Social Firefly... shut it down! Bury it as deeply as possible. Airgapped copies only."
"And bury Caitlin too, conditional on her existence. No, I'm not actually authorized to know."
"...I didn't mean that literally."
"...You heard that part, right?"
Yeah, I think I get a better idea of it, now.
Going by this account, the Valkyrie betrayal example would be like fighting two factions that interfere with one another, which would be not quite as powerful as them being a single faction and having to worry about friendly fire, but still largely so (especially since you do still want to avoid "friendly" fire so as not to unduly piss off your temporary cobelligerents).
The laser example doesn't work because no matter who the 800k drones laser, it doesn't do anything more than tickle; they're effectively a non-entity.
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Maybe if we chose a +3 world you'd allow it.
Avalanche
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It doesn't work in any setting with -1 Anna. Maybe, very tentative maybe try it with Ganbatte Anna instead of Monster Anna.
It sounds like TRE could effectively be thought of as something like :
As the number of enemies rise, Anna's chance of redirecting an attack to hit an enemy grows. From a 0% chance with 1 opponent, to 75% at 5 opponents, and 99% at 25+ opponents.
In the 800,000 drone scenario, Anna could feasibly use them as cover to cause an attack to land on them, but one decent explosion would wipe out all of the drones. They're more of a very short term distraction that makes her very likely to avoid an attack or two.
As the number of enemies rise, Anna's chance of redirecting an attack to hit an enemy grows. From a 0% chance with 1 opponent, to 75% at 5 opponents, and 99% at 25+ opponents.
In the 800,000 drone scenario, Anna could feasibly use them as cover to cause an attack to land on them, but one decent explosion would wipe out all of the drones. They're more of a very short term distraction that makes her very likely to avoid an attack or two.
ZeldaFan
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Question.
So right now, is researching and upgrading waveforce our top priority skillswise? Seems pretty devastating, and I am curious as to what later levels will allow us to pull off. Not to mention teaching it to the instructors is a vast force multiplier in and in itself. Is it better to specialize or are we actually able to juggle multiple super elite skills like TRE?
Anna is actually an amazing teacher in this circumstance, you just need to be a genius Ace to understand her technobabble. She does things her own crazy bullshit way, not at all like a conventional Valkyrie, which is why she is terrible at teaching conventional stuff.
So right now, is researching and upgrading waveforce our top priority skillswise? Seems pretty devastating, and I am curious as to what later levels will allow us to pull off. Not to mention teaching it to the instructors is a vast force multiplier in and in itself. Is it better to specialize or are we actually able to juggle multiple super elite skills like TRE?
Anna is actually an amazing teacher in this circumstance, you just need to be a genius Ace to understand her technobabble. She does things her own crazy bullshit way, not at all like a conventional Valkyrie, which is why she is terrible at teaching conventional stuff.
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Anna isn't even capable of using technobabble. Currently her goto way of teaching is using pictures.
Or in other words: super-memes
:ܙTarget-Rich Environment would be a good stopgap if we're tossed into combat, but Anna alone can not win the war.
The most effective things Anna can do are to:
STRATNET, if it's any good (and assuming there's not some imminent emergency) has to agree, which is why we don't necessarily think it still wants Anna on the African frontlines.
The most effective things Anna can do are to:
- Research and train everyone to use Wave Force
- Build a zillion production facilities (or make so efficient the existing infrastructure that the released resources can go into more production facilities)
STRATNET, if it's any good (and assuming there's not some imminent emergency) has to agree, which is why we don't necessarily think it still wants Anna on the African frontlines.
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Have we seen TRE in action yet? What is it narratively? Anna squinting and doing the Gundam Seed thingamajig?
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Thing is, humanity is already winning the war. Getting Anna on the frontline would certainly accelerate that. As far as STRATNET is concerned we've won as long as we don't fuck up and reducing the possibilities for fucking up is a useful thing; of course more firepower or production can't hurt but isn't necessary.
Simulator training was counting as Target Rich Environment training, so just look at the early posts :Ü™
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Humanity is officially winning the war, but I don't know how true that is. There are indications that the situation is more of a stalemate at the best of times trending towards gradual decline.
It was clear by 1944 that the Axis powers were going to lose the war as long as the Allies didn't fuck up. The Allies still invested massively in expanded production and better weapons, because that makes the eventual victory much less costly and comes with potential future benefits.
The war, as I'm reading it, is definitely in humanity's favour right now. But it's not won, nor is humanity winning just yet. The African twin Breaches could easily turn the tide if they unite and become a Major Breach, and it's important to remember that every Major Breach produces 1 new Type Zero per year and deploys every Type Zero they've already produced. Humanity does not have the super combatants that the Antagonists have, even though Anna and the rest of the Twenty probably come close. However, from all impressions, humanity can't make new super combatants the way the Antagonists do. Every member of the upper ranks of the 300 is a decades old Valkyrie who has been a Valkyrie for decades, or Anna, who is the first since a long time to be considered as much as an equal.
The Antagonists get a new one on the average every 2 months at the most. Which means that unless humanity manages to kill a Type Zero every 2 months or less, it's going to eventually get buried under the enemy's super combatants unless it compensates somehow.