Avalanche
Atypical Netizen
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Battle Action Harem Highschool Side Character Quest (No SV, you are the Waifu)
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Shepard.
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So Anna needs a bunch of cheap drones she can set to attack her?
And that'll be enough of that thank you.
It's less that and more that Anna is quite skilled at beating one antagonist to death with another antagonist. Or at least his munitions storage/fuel tank.
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Don't worry you have another 26-57 days to tell us when the next update will be out
10kg of anti-hydrogen + 10kg of hydrogen = 430 megatons-equivalent of explosives.
That's a LOT of dakka.
And a lot of trust.
She could just make a few tons of antimatter herself if she wanted to kill everyone. The trust is letting her keep Durga.
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Well, less trust and more "we are not sure we can actually take it of her without triggering human extinction".
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- They/Them/Their
UNSC: "NO, you can't just remained synced to your Valkyrie Core at all times and single-handledly develop weapons technology in fields that haven't had further development without us!"Well, less trust and more "we are not sure we can actually take it of her without triggering human extinction".
Anna: "Haha Wave Force go BRRRR"
ZeldaFan
Thinker of Ideas
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Thanks for the response!
So if Type Zero Class C+ are so vastly powerful, what is keeping the Antagonists from putting together a execution force of Type Zero Class As and potential Ss and systematically wiping out humanity?
From the sound of it, humanity really has no counter to something like that if even Anna would get wiped against a group of C+. Except the 300...wait is that why the 300 as a group stay in orbit for periods of time? They are acting as an overwhelming rapid response if the antagonists do attempt something like that?
...How powerful would Anna make the 300 with her abilities? If not acting alone, but as part of the 300 just how much more would they be able to take on? Would she enable them to take on a Class B?
This is going into working with other impeller fields I think, and our current inability to do so due to story choice. If we could teleport a group of Valkyries like say the 300...that would change things.
So if Type Zero Class C+ are so vastly powerful, what is keeping the Antagonists from putting together a execution force of Type Zero Class As and potential Ss and systematically wiping out humanity?
From the sound of it, humanity really has no counter to something like that if even Anna would get wiped against a group of C+. Except the 300...wait is that why the 300 as a group stay in orbit for periods of time? They are acting as an overwhelming rapid response if the antagonists do attempt something like that?
...How powerful would Anna make the 300 with her abilities? If not acting alone, but as part of the 300 just how much more would they be able to take on? Would she enable them to take on a Class B?
This is going into working with other impeller fields I think, and our current inability to do so due to story choice. If we could teleport a group of Valkyries like say the 300...that would change things.
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I mean that sounds like a lot until you remember that the standard deep deployment Ace loadout is:
Combined that is 2.2Mt in a bunch of small directed blasts or 120Mt in a few large traditional explosions. Sure Anna has quadruple the maximum megatons but that is almost certainly down to her evaluated higher skill then any extra trust.
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The fact that each breach generates one Type Zero per year.
Edit: Each Major breach. Pardon me.
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ZeldaFan
Thinker of Ideas
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Ah. So even the Antagonists have bottlenecks.
Basically, they can kill single aces easily with that concentration of force, but twenty aces together can kill those three class C T0 just as easily and it takes maybe half an hour for those to arrive. Until then, every valkyrie is just going to run away.
Alayne
The Reader
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Not only do they have bottlenecks but if they put every Type 0 into one group and charge, that allows the entirety(or most of it as some would likely be kept as reserve) pf the 300 to respond in kind. Meanwhile all the aces spread across the globe will attack the now undefended(well, relatively) Antagonist territory. Either to just wreck as much shit as they can or to lure some of the Type 0 back for defence which is what they're usually doing when not YOLOing into human territory.
Also as we found out last chapter each Major Breach "Is a partitioned existence and rarely talks to each other" which means that they got internal politics and goals that might not align perfectly with each other even if they have a larger "Kill All Humans" goal. And well, if we look at humans and how we have many examples of people being petty and not helping a rival/competitor despite them not helping will result in trouble for themselves later on? Yeah, I can easily see that happening.
There was even a mention about how the Major Breaches that had created the Minor Breaches that attacked Anna's town "Was known to snub each other."
So not only is there bottlenecks in the supply of Type 0s they can field there is also the danger of sending them all out with none left for defence plus internal politics and factions that might not want to work together even if that would be the smart thing to do.
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Alphaleph
The Firstiest of First
While we're at it, this is the force parity the UN expects to be equal to T0s:
-Class E = 1 300 equipped Ace (or one of the Twenty(+4!))
-Class D = 2 300 equipped Aces
-Class C = A squadron of 300 equipped Aces (4 or 5 Aces)
-Class B = 10 300 equipped Aces
-Class A = 40 300 equipped Aces.
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So Anna is more efficient against low class type 0s, then. Because she can mulch 5 class Es (5AE) but would struggle somewhat with a class C (5AE).
There are a couple factors here.
First is that as I outline in this post the number of Aces in 300 suits vs. the various classes of Type-Zero are as follows:
- Type E = 01 Ace
- Type D = 02 Aces
- Type C = 04 Aces
- Type B = 10 Aces
- Type A = 40 Aces
The second is that as I outline in this post there have been a maximum of 60 Type-Zeroes produced by 2070 of which we know a minimum of 14 are dead and that actual number is likely closer to 30 given that the unknown deaths are primarily in the two weakest classes (Ds and Es). So odds are there are probably less then 30 active Type-Zeroes right now (albeit weighted towards the higher classes due to better resilience). That makes massing them in large enough numbers, especially given the 300 have very wide and fast teleports, to quickly overwhelm a local force difficult.
The third is that Breaches are believed to generally operate independently. I think there was some mention of this not quite applying to Type-Zeroes but I can't find a source on that. Anyways if they are independence operations it would make grouping Type-Zeroes together in a large enough kill force a rare nonoccurence since that would require (temporary) cooperation or a Breach that managed to hold onto a large number of Type-Zeroes.
But this is why the 300 and Types don't tend to engage in any particular battle much. They are playing a complicated high stakes version of cat and mouse. Types raid into human territory and do as much damage as possible before the 300 arrive then they retreat. 300 units raid into Antagonist territory and do as much damage as possible before Types arrive then they retreat. There may be some skirmishing in-between but generally both sides are good enough, and armed with enough Higgs, that stopping them from fleeing if pressed to hard is difficult.
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- All around you.
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- Lord/Master/God
I image Wave Force goes more along the lines of "ululululululuBOOM".
Not completely accurate. Major Breaches produce one Type-0 on average each year but it's not a clockwork-like process given such incidents as the Type-0 mass occurence of 51 PI (2063 CE) shown in Interlude 1:
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That's the first appearance of T0's. Those could have all come from different breaches.
Might not have, but they could.
I actually bring that up in the post I somehow completely forgot to link:
Given that Indra showed up in 2061 then Abraxas and Aswang showed up between then and the mass emergence in 2063 the most reasonable explanation is likely that all six Major Breaches were secretly producing Type-Zeroes ever since 2061. Likely triggered by the destruction of Uralsk Breach since Indra appeared shortly afterwards. It is just the Antagonists were stockpiling their Type-Zeroes for some reason, only letting out Class As to keep humanity from destroying anymore Breaches, until Indra died. That again triggered an escalation which saw all the Type-Zeroes deployed immediately.
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Lol, I just assumed Avalanche got the timeline mixed up. It's a gut reaction based off too much time spent in the harry potter fandom so its not always the best assumption too make, but it turns out to be true surprisingly often