Icipall
Don't worry, we can fanfix that!
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- Cold snow fields of Finland
Battle Action Harem Highschool Side Character Quest (No SV, you are the Waifu)
- Thread starter Avalanche
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- Original
- Location
- oregon, usa
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Alternatively regarding possible infiltrators, and far less likely, Yukari is Pray and Koujirou is Anne.
Abandoning that line of thought for looking at each BAHHSCQ character in isolation, for all that Anna has similarities in name with Anne, Milo seems much more Anna's parallel as someone who feels the need to make up for past mistakes. Yukari's arc so far has some parallels to Van Nelson's. Shuri has similarities to Dry, and not just through both being publicly heroes whose public image does not match their actual personality, but more for their willingness to go for the coldly pragmatic option.
Aleksandra is, amusingly, the most like Anne Mayer in personality. A friend to all equally, one who looks out for and guides those she meets. This also marks the interactions with Shuri as maybe being similar to how Anne and Dry work together. Koujirou and Setsuna definitely lean toward Daniel Leonhart and Leo, despite the former duo being green as grass compared to the latter. Still that last parallel is pretty weak.
Anyone else who wants to weigh in on character similarities with Knight Run, or pull together a similar list of comparisons for the other inspirations listed in the first post, feel free.
Types are a problem. A Type-5 can run right into a formation of lesser Valks and start racking up a body-count before being put down. Type-2s have an unspecified production rate, and we know that they are equivalent to the next rung down from Ace Valks. A Valk's job is to deal with problems insurmountable or unacceptably expensive for conventional* forces. At each rung of Valk Combat Rating there are significant tasks that cannot simply be dealt with by throwing mobs of lesser combatants at the problem. Not without inevitably suffering casualties as a result. Casualties that negate the advantages of escalating industrial capacities.
*or it might be better said that a Valk's job is to handle problems commensurate to their own Combat Rating
Abandoning that line of thought for looking at each BAHHSCQ character in isolation, for all that Anna has similarities in name with Anne, Milo seems much more Anna's parallel as someone who feels the need to make up for past mistakes. Yukari's arc so far has some parallels to Van Nelson's. Shuri has similarities to Dry, and not just through both being publicly heroes whose public image does not match their actual personality, but more for their willingness to go for the coldly pragmatic option.
Aleksandra is, amusingly, the most like Anne Mayer in personality. A friend to all equally, one who looks out for and guides those she meets. This also marks the interactions with Shuri as maybe being similar to how Anne and Dry work together. Koujirou and Setsuna definitely lean toward Daniel Leonhart and Leo, despite the former duo being green as grass compared to the latter. Still that last parallel is pretty weak.
Anyone else who wants to weigh in on character similarities with Knight Run, or pull together a similar list of comparisons for the other inspirations listed in the first post, feel free.
Types are a problem. A Type-5 can run right into a formation of lesser Valks and start racking up a body-count before being put down. Type-2s have an unspecified production rate, and we know that they are equivalent to the next rung down from Ace Valks. A Valk's job is to deal with problems insurmountable or unacceptably expensive for conventional* forces. At each rung of Valk Combat Rating there are significant tasks that cannot simply be dealt with by throwing mobs of lesser combatants at the problem. Not without inevitably suffering casualties as a result. Casualties that negate the advantages of escalating industrial capacities.
*or it might be better said that a Valk's job is to handle problems commensurate to their own Combat Rating
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- Yes
Nah, we're just acting out the events from the previous chapter.
We started with how Anna would stack up against type 0s and devolved into bread memes.
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- Tristania
Wait what? When was this?
Alayne
The Reader
- Location
- Home of the Vikings
While antags have never attacked eachother(the civil war in Alaska was a cover up for Anna) they have been known to snub each other and just this last chapter we learned from STRATNET that the various Breaches don't talk to eachother.
That implies that it's more akin to seperate nations or at least factions with their own goals though allied in a common "Kill all humans" goal.
Not a cover up. It's how STRATNET was interpreting the massive loss of resources Anna caused the North American hives.
It's uncertain if the Antags actually are killing all humans as a primary or even secondary goal. It might well be that the antags are killing all humans because we object, violently, to their operations on Earth. We simply don't know anything about Antag society or goals beyond what we can read from their military operations.
Starman4308
(Unverified Human Being)
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- He/Him/His
The civil war explanation is a coverup in the present tense. It's just convenient that it dovetails exactly with the best guess they had prior to "what if it's the Valkyrie's bigger badder sister hiding out in Canada?" somehow turning out to be real.
Regardless, we know the Ants aren't totally unified, but none of us know for sure how far that goes. My crack conjecture a bit ago about Sekhmet bullying a Breach for its metaphorical lunch money is on the spectrum of possibility, but it's hardly certain.
Regardless, we know the Ants aren't totally unified, but none of us know for sure how far that goes. My crack conjecture a bit ago about Sekhmet bullying a Breach for its metaphorical lunch money is on the spectrum of possibility, but it's hardly certain.
Abao
Le Halpful One
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- Theocracy of Derpism
My headcanon is that humans mining the breaches like pests lead the antags to exterminate them, but upon trying and failing to do so, decided that they posed an existential threat from how fast they went from free kills to a war machine capable of giving the antags pause.
So they decided to go all in on humans.
And still humans fought on, now on even footing in just a few short years.
TBH the antags should be even more scared of humans than the other way round.
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- oregon, usa
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- He/Him
It is not a cover up. The Civil War hypothesis was simply a plausible scenario given the data that the UN had prior to the Alaskan Offensive. Given that Zheng LingYu publicly refuted the hypothesis after the Offensive, it is pretty clearly not a cover-up.
SolipsistSerpent
Endlessly Devouring
It's a cover-up in that they have not announced "Hey we found a super-valk in Alaska and that was what was doing it" after finding out they were wrong but that's largely for Anna's own good and psychological wellbeing.
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- oregon, usa
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- He/Him
The UN officially denies that Antagonists from any breaches fight each-other under any circumstances. We have a single source of unofficial opinion listing facts and assessments that were not publicly revealed prior to the Alaskan Offensive. A source that imediately gets called out as being wrong by a UN Valkyrie Air Force Air Commodore in public on the internet. The story of an "Antagonist Civil War" is not, and to all evidence was not, the UN official party line at any point.
To the point of "not announced "Hey we found a super-valk in Alaska and that was what was doing it" after finding out they were wrong", the UN did announce that they had found a super-Valk after the Offensive, after all, they appointed her to the possition of Ace Rank 1, a fact noted in the line after the bit of post 19 I previously quoted.
Further, Aleksandra was able to, at the drop of a hat, link Anna being Ace Rank 1 to Sekhmet's death and Saskatoon's destruction. The only missing piece was that Ace's name.
While it is not certain that the quote from Post 18 is not simply the result of Sandra being better informed than the public at large due to her holding office within the UN, it is also not unreasonable to presume that the UN is merrily going full tilt on the propaganda coup that Anna handed them, and all they have to do is omit her name and age.
There are enough Aces without public rankings, Shuri included, that Yukari immediately dismissed the notion that Anna could have been on the level of The Twenty. The UN does not need an elaborate hoax (never mind that their officers are actively denying said hoax) to maintain Anna's privacy.
A lot of Anna's privacy is, I would expect, maintained by a combination of privacy laws (which tend to be notably stricter and harsher in punishment for breaches when it involves the under age the world over) and entirely valid classifications.
To a lot of people Anna does come across as a weird, high level Valkyrie. Turns out though, a lot of high level Valkyries are weird so that's not strange. They'd sooner debate her 300 ranking (which is not public) than determine she's the number 1 Valkyrie, because a lot of high ranking Valkyries also don't like to tout their 300 ranking and combat aptitude scores, and she could be any of them.
To a lot of people Anna does come across as a weird, high level Valkyrie. Turns out though, a lot of high level Valkyries are weird so that's not strange. They'd sooner debate her 300 ranking (which is not public) than determine she's the number 1 Valkyrie, because a lot of high ranking Valkyries also don't like to tout their 300 ranking and combat aptitude scores, and she could be any of them.
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- Here
Also, see this moment:
Shuri and Anna may have a significant gap in ranking, but both are high enough that Valks at much lower ranks can't tell the difference by simple observation. The people to whom Anna's skill is obvious instead of just "can be figured out with enough data and dedicated analysis" are the ones who, of necessity, would probably be told anyway.
Shuri and Anna may have a significant gap in ranking, but both are high enough that Valks at much lower ranks can't tell the difference by simple observation. The people to whom Anna's skill is obvious instead of just "can be figured out with enough data and dedicated analysis" are the ones who, of necessity, would probably be told anyway.
Alphaleph
The Firstiest of First
Here's the thing about almost everyone's standpoint:
There's a rather big pedestal in place for the Twenty (+4!) positions. Most won't put an unknown with unknown service record into the same level as a result.
Without an undeniable excuse, they just find no reasoning to admit Anna can be part of the Twenty (+4!), let alone #1. (See: Yukari dismissing Anna being part of Twenty (+4!) because she's better than Shuri by going that Shuri's rating was wrong)
Such is the case for Sandra with her higher clearance of classified documents, knowing Anna can't lie for shit and knowing STRATNET's deployment request and Yukari with being told that Anna is six time as hard to kill as the Ace whose role in the Flight is to be hard to kill. Almost everyone else lacks those info.
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- Voidbetweenstars
And yet.
This is exactly when she understood Anna's rank. Which mind you is the same conversation as that earlier bit.
SolipsistSerpent
Endlessly Devouring
She dismissed the idea, so saying she 'understood' Anna's rank is a bit iffy.
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- Voidbetweenstars
No she didnt.
She really didnt dismiss anything.
Alphaleph
The Firstiest of First
Yes, that is what I said in my last sentence as well. Undeniable reason and all.
Yukari denied "Anna's extrapolated CR says she's part of the Twenty (+4!)" by going "Eh, they got Shuri's CR wrong."
She can't deny "6 times as hard to kill as an Ace who supposed to be hard to kill."
Might as well add the last piece of the puzzle and spell it out.
Yukari reasoned, if Shuri was between 50-100, and Anna was at least 1.1x better, Anna would be among the twenty. Yukari immediately began downgrading Shuri's rank in her head.
However, without downgrading Shuri out of her Ace rank, Anna being 6x better instead of merely 1.1x or 1.6x, and the twenty all being known, there was only one possibility left which left Yukari reeling.
Keep in mind that Anna isn't 6x better than Shuri.
Anna is 6x more tanky than Shuri. There's a difference. While tankiness does impact combat ratings, equating them directly is... inaccurate. Much like how equating the fact that Anna has about 1.5x times Shuri's Impeller strength with being 1.5x times more tanky than Shuri is inaccurate.
Anna is 6x more tanky than Shuri. There's a difference. While tankiness does impact combat ratings, equating them directly is... inaccurate. Much like how equating the fact that Anna has about 1.5x times Shuri's Impeller strength with being 1.5x times more tanky than Shuri is inaccurate.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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- Earth
From memory, Shuri isn't in the top 100 though. The internet just pegs her combat rating much higher than it actually is.
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- Elsewhere
She's technically 201, but is under-ranked because she isn't interested in taking the tests.
EDIT: That was the fastest quote I have ever seen. Wow.
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deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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- Earth
Huh, nice to know. Thanks.
I do wonder what these tests that Anna and Shuri can't be bothered to do actually are.
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- They/Them/Their
I'd imagine simulations of some sort, or live fire tests against other Valkyries. Or a combination of the two.