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Battle Action Harem Highschool Side Character Quest (No SV, you are the Waifu)

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UberJJK said:
Speaking of nukes:
@Avalanche - I don't know if you ever saw it but the US released a map a number of years ago based upon their estimates of what the most likely targets were in a nuclear exchange. Purple triangles are the primary targets that would be attacked in a 500 warhead scenario while the black circles are secondary targets that would be hit in a 2,000 warhead scenario.

Since we're talking about a mostly full nuclear exchange I'd expect the distribution of nuclear blasts to cover both the triangles and circles.
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It has been used in discussion previously. Way back on page 628. In relation to a snowplow, of all things.
 
Avalanche said:
Historical record and soil composition analysis suggests the primary habitats and population of the settlement had moved at least once from their original location. Survivor testimony has been reticent on this subject. Several candidates for an original settlement have been identified, but at present no investigation is ongoing to determine which, if any, singular Pre-Impact site the majority of the former population of E26 originated from. At time of contact, the settlement had been under recent attack from Antagonists; the UN first contact team only had a short while to explore the settlement for survivors before it was no longer possible to do so
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So, hometown did move at least once before ending up around the National Park (if not further west).

And no longer explorable. I wonder what happened. :V
 
UberJJK said:
Speaking of nukes:
@Avalanche - I don't know if you ever saw it but the US released a map a number of years ago based upon their estimates of what the most likely targets were in a nuclear exchange. Purple triangles are the primary targets that would be attacked in a 500 warhead scenario while the black circles are secondary targets that would be hit in a 2,000 warhead scenario.

Since we're talking about a mostly full nuclear exchange I'd expect the distribution of nuclear blasts to cover both the triangles and circles.
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In setting, the Russians don't have all their launchers linked to PERIMETR, so it's a 500 warhead target profile against the US. Also, PERIMETR didn't go off right after Impact, the US dead hand autolaunch was triggered by Impact since the mainland took direct hits from the major fragments. The US strike hit Russia, which then triggered the PERIMETR system.
 
kaazmiz said:
I think I'm starting to forget early chapters.
It's been so long.
Weren't antags invaders from a different universe that arrived through breaches? What caused these 'impacts'?
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A giant asteroid smashed into the moon and sent debris raining down upon the earth. Here is the most relevant WOGs:
Avalanche said:
It's probably located near Delambre. Not really sure on this.

Also, no Valkyrie cores or Antagonists found on the moon, even near the Primary Impact Crater where the Impactor hit Luna before fragmenting onto Earth.
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Avalanche said:
I talked a bit about this back when the thread started but might as well list it out, here's some truncated notes, I have this as a timeline but eh, focus it down.

Immediately Post Impact humanity is suffering pretty much as you would expect, global commerce extinct, CONUS, North West Africa and EU nations directly hit by the major fragments of the Impactor and smaller meteorites raining down pretty much globally, tsunamis for all Pacific and Atlantic coastlines, global firestorms, global super storms, acid rain which was thankfully not global, USA and Russia Deadhand systems launching their WMD stocks thankfully most knocked off course by inclement weather, the whole nine yards. The methane release from frozen stocks being disrupted countered the nuclear winter effect so yay I guess?

Now amongst all the wreckage there would be these tiny white globes could occasionally be found.

Naturally, people started hitting them with hammers to see if they would break. No one hit quite hard enough to the relief of historians currently.

But occasionally, with direct skin contact, they would apparently just disappear into humans body, which would naturally freak them out and have them say "do not want"which would cause it to reappear.

Pretty useless really, if apparently completely harmless so lab conditions got relaxed and then one researcher wore a digital wristwatch whilst handling those 'weird snowglobes' and then suddenly realised that she knew the exact geographical time of wherever she was standing through a heads up display. Her wrist watch was also missing and when she wanted it back it appeared in her hand and she no longer knew the time. Wow, you get a forcefield? Awesome how come we never noticed this before?

Science occurs.

It's discovered that these miracle machines could pretty much absorb, repair and improve upon any technology given to them. So naturally one person asked if she could absorb a defunct solar electrical power grid. She could. Suddenly amenities. Food processing plant? Yep, then spit it back out and it's brand new. Chemical processing plant? Yep, what do you need, I can synthesise basically any industrial chemical. Heavy metal working plant? Yep, feels slower taking this in than before though... Sewage processing? Oh god no what please don't make me... fine. Yes it works. No I'm not going to let you pump sewage into a machine I'm attached to that's fucking gross let me spit it back out.

It's discovered that synched machines can either be stored 'somewhere I dunno' or completely external so long as they stay within range of that weird forcefield.

Suffice to say, more science occurs, other people are discovered to be compatible with the god machines and the start of proper rebuilding starts.

Humanity noticed the weird gender disparity between people compatible with these god machines pretty quickly but who cares.

Then they discover these weird enormous tornadoes roaring around the major impact sites. Naturally, they send people inside to look at what was up. Wow, there's literally what the fuck inside here. Ohh what's this? Weird gravity readings.

Suffice to say, after a little bit of science, humans start jacking Higgs Generators and Higgs Reaction mass from the space contained inside the Tornadoes as fast as they can for free energy forever. 'Better than fusion omfg!' is the general reaction.

Skip a few years, humanity looks to be well on the way to recovery, at least in the areas that people care about, which is the 5 founding UN nations of South Africa, Brazil, India,Australia and China. Then their mining expeditions inside the tornadoes all go silent. A few military convoys get sent in to see what was up. Disappear.

Hmm.

Suddenly, aliens.

Military? What military? The armed forces was literally at the bottom of the UN priority list. The first months are a slaughter of proportions not seen since Impact. Right now, Valkyrie frame are all in the forms of cities and reconstruction vehicles, useless for combat.

These first generation Valkyries quickly ditch their construction materials and synch in military vehicles. Kludged together machines that should have no chance of functioning but do through the Valkyrie Core's upgrading. They managed to hold the line.

People start syncing in military hardware only and begin forming the first proper Valkyrie Frames as we see them, flight capable, dedicated warmachines. They were the first to turn the tide, attacking against Antagonist areas rather than just defend. it was around now that the global draft and other processes were first implemented.

You'd be considered part of the third generation. The UN has gotten its shit together and has a process for creating new Valkyries and plan to wipe out the Antagonists properly.

tl:dr:
Um, here's the actual answer to your question.

1: Valkyrie Cores (excepting The 300) are discovered bare of anything.
2: People synch in machines to them to form the frame,
2.1: Currently, the base machine that is first integrated would be an infantry powered armour with the necessary control software to help neophtes.
2.2: The second thing would be a power generator. Generally fusion.
2.3: Integrate weaponry. The you're done.

3: Give up the completed frames for other people to use.

It's a systematic production line, Valkyrie work on this whilst they are on break from the frontlines. There's no mystique about it.
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agumentic said:
Wait, so US/Russia didn't turn off their Dead Hand systems even with the imminent asteroid rain that could trigger them? Wow, talk about dropping the ball.
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I don't understand the US so it had to go. I nuked it then buried it under AGs in the backstory to make sure the quest doesn't take place in the US.

People from Canada are complaining about Anna's hometown, can you imagine people the US reading this quest if it took place in the US and people are saying "Gday" to each other? Yeah nah.

You don't have to like it, but it had to be done. If the US remained intact in any way it makes no sense for the quest to take place in any other country, and I can't deal with that.
 
Avalanche said:
I don't understand the US so it had to go. I nuked it then buried it under AGs in the backstory to make sure the quest doesn't take place in the US.

People from Canada are complaining about Anna's hometown, can you imagine people the US reading this quest if it took place in the US and people are saying "Gday" to each other? Yeah nah.

You don't have to like it, but it had to be done. If the US remained intact in any way it makes no sense for the quest to take place in any other country, and I can't deal with that.
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I mean, wasn't my country obliterated, no skin of my back. Part of Russia I am in wasn't even eaten by Antagonists!
 
Avalanche said:
I don't understand the US so it had to go. I nuked it then buried it under AGs in the backstory to make sure the quest doesn't take place in the US.

People from Canada are complaining about Anna's hometown, can you imagine people the US reading this quest if it took place in the US and people are saying "Gday" to each other? Yeah nah.

You don't have to like it, but it had to be done. If the US remained intact in any way it makes no sense for the quest to take place in any other country, and I can't deal with that.
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No, that sounds fine. It's not like we don't have it coming, and it would be the path of Justice after all.
 
And really, when push comes to shove, we're all here because of Anna's characterization and Avalanche's writing.

Wild-ass speculation is part and parcel, but I have to admit, I never really expected my semi-joking comment of 'Oh hey, her hometown was probably in Banff national park' to explode as much as it did.

Mostly it was my brain figuring out why A: Anna seems to be calmed by mountainous vistas (as shown with her playing with the holoscreens in the bathroom around her second actual bath 'on camera' so to speak), and B: her love of Maple Syrup.

Plus it was established by Avalanche that yep 'Town was in what was formerly Canada before the AG incursions', so I just kinda ran with the whole 'Roughly equidistant from three minor breaches? Mountainous? Banff is a good spot.'
 
FreakOTU said:
And really, when push comes to shove, we're all here because of Anna's characterization and Avalanche's writing.

Wild-ass speculation is part and parcel, but I have to admit, I never really expected my semi-joking comment of 'Oh hey, her hometown was probably in Banff national park' to explode as much as it did.

Mostly it was my brain figuring out why A: Anna seems to be calmed by mountainous vistas (as shown with her playing with the holoscreens in the bathroom around her second actual bath 'on camera' so to speak), and B: her love of Maple Syrup.

Plus it was established by Avalanche that yep 'Town was in what was formerly Canada before the AG incursions', so I just kinda ran with the whole 'Roughly equidistant from three minor breaches? Mountainous? Banff is a good spot.'
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That just shows how desperate and thirsty all of Avalanche's snowflakes are for any new material. :V
 
Tallamee said:
Second strike units are a dead man's switch. Not a mechanical one, but a dead man's switch nonetheless.
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Was going to say this - that sort of thing is pretty much what Ballistic Missile Sub's are for; you'd have to either reverse the order of events (Russian system triggers due to impacts, US launches in reply) or the US needs to think some initial impacts are Russian nukes, but its possible.

A side note - the leaked details on the Russian Dead Hand system suggest its some sort of timer system; IE they turn it on if they're worried about a decapitation strike and if they don't turn it off THEN it launches. But maybe they always have it on and just reset the timer periodically.
 
Dragontrapper said:
Was going to say this - that sort of thing is pretty much what Ballistic Missile Sub's are for; you'd have to either reverse the order of events (Russian system triggers due to impacts, US launches in reply) or the US needs to think some initial impacts are Russian nukes, but its possible.

A side note - the leaked details on the Russian Dead Hand system suggest its some sort of timer system; IE they turn it on if they're worried about a decapitation strike and if they don't turn it off THEN it launches. But maybe they always have it on and just reset the timer periodically.
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the actual specifics dont really matter that much to the story. If it bothers people enough, one could maybe say that depending on which surviving nation you ask you get a different story on whose nukes launched first, but the only thing that matters in the end is that they did trigger and destroyed both Russia and the USA as a relevant entity
 
Dragontrapper said:
A side note - the leaked details on the Russian Dead Hand system suggest its some sort of timer system; IE they turn it on if they're worried about a decapitation strike and if they don't turn it off THEN it launches. But maybe they always have it on and just reset the timer periodically.
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There is also the much simpler, old yet still used system that's meant to detect overpressure changes similar to those caused by nuclear explosions.
Even with perfectly rational humans manning the consoles, so long as nobody is there to stop the first automated system, the others would follow.
And an exchange could last a few days as successive dead-man switches get ticked as the crews die/abandon their posts, or installations suffer damage that results in launches.
 
TL DR; shit got fucked, and human paranoia combined with automated systems doing exactly what they were made to do made it more fucked. Sounds about right to me.
 
TheFourthman said:
The US doesn't have a deadman's switch.

But they'd look at 500 incoming weapons and counter attack with the arsenal.
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I don't know about reality, but they do here - it was their system that triggered first, due to Impacts on CONUS. It's right on this page:
Avalanche said:
Also, PERIMETR didn't go off right after Impact, the US dead hand autolaunch was triggered by Impact since the mainland took direct hits from the major fragments. The US strike hit Russia, which then triggered the PERIMETR system.
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TheFourthman said:
The US doesn't have a deadman's switch.

But they'd look at 500 incoming weapons and counter attack with the arsenal.
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BAHHSCQ is confirmed to be AU not just since The Impact (2012) but at least as far back as 1971 when a moon base was established:
Avalanche said:
Established initially as an unmanned base in 1971 under the Lunex project, Zion base was a joint operation between Rosaviakosmos and the National Aeronautics and Space Administration.

Through the years, more and more components were added to the base until long term human habilitation was proposed in 1976 as the low energy fission reactor, hauled into space, landed on Lunar and then constructed remotely, was confirmed as being stable.

More and more space agencies joined the project through the 70s and 80s and various mineral explorations took part on the Lunar regolith.

Having vetoed the idea of mass drivers to fire minerals back to Earth, the coporate interest in Zion base largely dried up in the 80s but the Base continued operation through international funding. By 1990, the average length of a stay for a human on Zion base was up to 9 months, with nearly 200 people inside the base. Medical exploration of living in lowered Gs, construction and other such scientific experiments were the prime purpose of the base.

Flops. All of it.

Rosaviakosmos withdrew from the program in 1993 and Zion Base was renamed to Armstrong Base.

The United States announced its withdrawal from the program in 2000. Guójiā Hángtiān Jú and Europäische Weltraumorganisation largely took control of Armstong base by then, converting its primary purpose to a study of long term sustainability in space.

The population of Armstrong base was 68 when Impact occurred on the 17th of December, 2012. When the UN reached them in 2040, the population of the base was 89.

Huh.

Currently, Armstrong Base is home to around 270,000 people, but despite its low population, is probably the most extensive Arcology in the world aside from Perth Arcology due to its huge construction yards.
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Of course this AU change in itself actually makes the nuclear exchange less likely since it means the cold war had already thawed enough for NASA and Roscomos to be setting up a joint base in 1971. Seriously the Apollo-Soyuz project in 1975 was a big deal and all that was was docking two capsules together for two days.

It makes it seem pretty unlikely that 41 years later the Russians would still be so paranoid about a US first strike that they'd keep Dead Hand active and pre-programmed with US targets.
 
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