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Hazard said:
Implications are that the town was Middle of Nowhere, North-West Canada, with emphasis on 'middle of nowhere.' For reasons of plot they've had no contact with the rest of the world after Impact, due to radio interference from Breaches and quite possibly due to extensive damage to what few and limited capacity had been available, especially if it's a mountain town as mountain roads are especially prone to getting cut off through damage to bridges or rock slides or avalanches.
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It's called a car. I understand its not fast enough for the evacuation but even if it's a day's drive people will do it to see why their TV is dead. Nowhere is it required in plot for them to be unaware of the impact. The fact that Anna knew what a Valk was implies that they were not.
 
SolipsistSerpent said:
Probably because they refer to the fighting the UN did in the area as the Alaskan Front. Because the UN was coming at the Breach from one side and Anna from the opposite.
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Nah, they called it the Alaskan Front because their plan was to down a Breach so they have a beachhead in NA again. They fully expect to have to fight tooth and nail to keep it from the AG's counterattack(s). Then Anna happened and took down both a Breach and a Type 0.
As an extra note, look at the map in OP (along with Google maps), Saskatoon is pretty much Central Canada.
 
Dark as Silver said:
It's called a car. I understand its not fast enough for the evacuation but even if it's a day's drive people will do it to see why their TV is dead. Nowhere is it required in plot for them to be unaware of the impact. The fact that Anna knew what a Valk was implies that they were not.
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Good luck driving those over snowy mountain gorges without a bridge, or through a pass when there's rock and snow piled 50 meters high in the way.
 
Dark as Silver said:
It's called a car. I understand its not fast enough for the evacuation but even if it's a day's drive people will do it to see why their TV is dead. Nowhere is it required in plot for them to be unaware of the impact. The fact that Anna knew what a Valk was implies that they were not.
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As others have noted, there's a thing in small back-country areas. It's a lack of public services.

There are towns today in Alaska for example that literally have no way to get to them, outside of aircraft, for 8 months out of the year.

It's clear from what happened that Anna's town was someplace similar. There were large chunks of the nation that vanished overnight from attacks. This one small town losing it's access route, combined with the loss of radio and other communications means that it was assumed destroyed and noone was able to send a plane to verify.
 
Now tell me people. Regardless of all that stuff I will write after this.
How does living in a mountain town where you can be snowed away from civilisation for eight months at a time discourage you to keep your snow plows well maintained?
I ask because I think you might have forgotten the point that I was trying to argue in the first place.
If however rather than try and explain to me that Annas town is really remote you want to argue that the Impact was so severe and human societal recovery so slow that Snow Plow production was not recomenced before the Antagonists attack and Anna's town was isolated completely please continue.

SolipsistSerpent said:
Just going to ignore that bit he said about mountain roads and avalanches, eh?
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I ignored it because it was entirely speculative. Open an atlas, the information we have is that Saskatoon was the closest breach to Anna's town or at least the one that she considered the biggest threat. Saskatoon is pretty far away from the Rockies. Hell the Rockies are nearly halfway between Saskatoon and Portland, the other nearest breach on the map.
The assumption that Annas town was mountainous is entirely to justify it being slightly more remote, and possibly mistaken stereotypes of Canada. There is no evidence in the text to support it either way.

Hazard said:
Good luck driving those over snowy mountain gorges without a bridge, or through a pass when there's rock and snow piled 50 meters high in the way.
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As above. You've seen one posited explanation and taken it as canon. Take the time to consider different arguments rather than just assuming they are wrong.
GamingGeek said:
As others have noted, there's a thing in small back-country areas. It's a lack of public services.

There are towns today in Alaska for example that literally have no way to get to them, outside of aircraft, for 8 months out of the year.

It's clear from what happened that Anna's town was someplace similar. There were large chunks of the nation that vanished overnight from attacks. This one small town losing it's access route, combined with the loss of radio and other communications means that it was assumed destroyed and noone was able to send a plane to verify.
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Lack of public services, wired internet connection sure.
Lack of public services, no road network, no I don't believe that one.
Impact happened fucking 2012, the war didn't start for 45 years, look at Kaizukis time line, look at Avalanches GM post. There was plenty of time for the people living there to get their hiking boots on and march over to get a fucking newspaper.
Timeline by Kaizuki
Impact and Valkyrie frames: Battle Action Harem Highschool Side Character Quest (No SV, you are the Waifu) | Page 106
 
Dark as Silver said:
If however rather than try and explain to me that Annas town is really remote you want to argue that the Impact was so severe and human societal recovery so slow that Snow Plow production was not recomenced before the Antagonists attack and Anna's town was isolated completely please continue.
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Per canon, Doomed Hometown was completely isolated from Impact onward, with only refugees and stragglers entering and effectively no communication to higher government authorities or humanity in general. Please offer an effective explanation for this to be true, or acknowledge it as a plothole and move on.

Also, when I estimated the location of Doomed Hometown I did not estimate it to exist in the Rocky Mountains of Canada, as that's a coastal mountain range and should be reachable, if with difficulty. I presumed the Yukon/Inuvak mountains.
 
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Hazard said:
Per canon, Doomed Hometown was completely isolated from Impact onward, with only refugees and stragglers entering and effectively no communication to higher government authorities or humanity in general. Please offer an effective explanation for this to be true, or acknowledge it as a plothole and move on.
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I am unsure what explaination you are asking for, it sounds like you are asking me to source the quote proving your point?
Hazard said:
Also, when I estimated the location of Doomed Hometown I did not estimate it to exist in the Rocky Mountains of Canada, as that's a coastal mountain range and should be reachable, if with difficulty. I presumed the Yukon/Inuvak mountains.
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You mean the one that would be closer to Anchorage Major breach than Saskatoon minor?
 
Dark as Silver said:
Lack of public services, no road network, no I don't believe that one.
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I can. Mountains aren't the only reason that an area can be completely remote, sometimes they are just THAT far out from civilization, to the point where building a road out there would be more expensive than it's worth.

... That said, that only really applies to Native Villages, that were already established and doing perfectly well without 'roads', thank you very much. However, it's indicated that Anna's place is a larger, Western style town, which SHOULD have road access, purely because it's more convenient than trying to fly everything in and out.

But turning on THAT point, you've got all those major American cities and towns that lost contact with each other, and only started networking again when the UN started to move in and clean the place up. Canada is already considerably more hostile than the bulk of the US, so iif conditions were to bad for more southern cities to link up, than they were definitly too hostile for Canada.

Ultimately though, I don't see how this is relevant to the "snow plow with flags" argument. Either they already had a snow plow with flags on it, or they didn't have a snow plow with flags on it. Hell, they could probably knit/produce new flags for the snow plow themselves, if they really wanted!
 
As I understand it the whole problem boils down to the fact that someone pointed out that while the Snowplow would still be around, it's important and made out steel, the little flags would have likely decayed/been-destroyed in the nearly 50 years between The Impact and Anna finding Durga.
 
UberJJK said:
As I understand it the whole problem boils down to the fact that someone pointed out that while the Snowplow would still be around, it's important and made out steel, the little flags would have likely decayed/been-destroyed in the nearly 50 years between The Impact and Anna finding Durga.
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They also have the clothes on their back. So, depending on resource shortages and how adorable they thought the flags are...
 
Dark as Silver said:
I am unsure what explaination you are asking for, it sounds like you are asking me to source the quote proving your point?
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No, I want you to reason your way around 'Doomed Hometown had no contact with authorities that could link back to the UN since Impact.'

Dark as Silver said:
You mean the one that would be closer to Anchorage Major breach than Saskatoon minor?
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Anchorage was Minor and Saskatoon was Major IIRC. Anyway, exact relative position of the Breaches is not that important, what's important how remote the area Doomed Hometown was in and how difficult it'd have been to contact other places effectively.
 
Hazard said:
No, I want you to reason your way around 'Doomed Hometown had no contact with authorities that could link back to the UN since Impact.'
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Easy: the UN had lost contact with the ENTIRE CONTINENT, and was only just starting to reconnect with the various surviving American enclaves. Not to mention, Anna's hometown was in Western Canada, when the vast bulk of the population would have been in Eastern Canada, next to the Great Lakes.

Anchorage was Minor and Saskatoon was Major IIRC.
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Fairly certain they were both minor, actually. I don't think even Anna could take on a major breach solo, especially not after a high intensity battle with a TZ.
 
The description we got for Hometown are:
Avalanche said:
Good god there is a town here? So close to three Breaches?
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and that it's in Canada.

So the Breaches mentioned are likely the three recently destroyed ones. Then judging from that, means Hometown is somewhere in Alberta and British Columbia's border.
Anna fishes a lot, so it would also be somewhere near a river or lake, but not the ocean due to isolation (and the ocean would disqualify being close to three Breaches).

And that's all we could guess. :V

Sightsear said:
Fairly certain they were both minor,
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Yeah, they're both minor Breaches.

We got a map of all the Breaches in the OP guys, use them if you lose track.
 
Onmur said:
Don't bother, at least the first fifty points on the list would immediately be covered 'Anna Facts'.

You'd have to scroll and scroll just to get through the memes and into the actual facts.
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Anna-facts would have their own list, obviously.

"Anna-fact #1: There are so many Anna-facts that they do not fit in the same book with anything else."
 
Hazard said:
No, I want you to reason your way around 'Doomed Hometown had no contact with authorities that could link back to the UN since Impact.'
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Okay, just, isn't that the position that I've been arguing in favour of?
That in the forty five years between Impact and the attacks sometime enough snow would melt to allow someone to drive their truck down to the nearest town to find whats happened?
Hazard said:
Anchorage was Minor and Saskatoon was Major IIRC. Anyway, exact relative position of the Breaches is not that important, what's important how remote the area Doomed Hometown was in and how difficult it'd have been to contact other places effectively.
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I see. Regardless the point still remains that if Anna attacked Saskatoon rather than Anchorage then under her thought process at the time, she belived that either destroying Saskatoon or dying there would stop the attacks. This implies that the vast majority of antagonists that attacked her home originated from that breach.
Given that no other information has been presented its reasonable to assume that that is a sign that Saskatoon was the nearest breech. This in turn means that Annas hometown was likely somewhere in the north of Saskatchewan. There is a wide margin of error granted, however no else has yet to suggest an argument I consider reasonable for any location.

Oh also some counter arguments, Annas home town is unlikely to be in the Yukon mountains, during the historical scenario she considered home to be North East, I can't see where the scenario began however from most anywhere on the American seaboard the Yukons are North, except from where they're East.
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More nav markers appear, this time with time stamps on them, countdowns.

All to the south east.

"Anna, you're on the wrong heading."

"Wrong heading?" you wonder out loud as you pull yourself to a stop.

A glance back shows the rest of the flight slowly starting to burn south east.

Strange. Why to the southeast?

… Wasn't there- Isn't there-? It should be northeast from here, right?
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On a separate note, based on this WoG post it seems significant amounts of time passed between the Valkyries becoming understood and breaches being discovered. This suggests to me that either they didn't form for a significant time or their disruption of EM waves is localised. As people would have figured out what the hell was happening if communications where being jammed on a continental scale.
Avalanche said:
It's discovered that these miracle machines could pretty much absorb, repair and improve upon any technology given to them. So naturally one person asked if she could absorb a defunct solar electrical power grid. She could. Suddenly amenities. Food processing plant? Yep, then spit it back out and it's brand new. Chemical processing plant? Yep, what do you need, I can synthesise basically any industrial chemical. Heavy metal working plant? Yep, feels slower taking this in than before though... Sewage processing? Oh god no what please don't make me... fine. Yes it works. No I'm not going to let you pump sewage into a machine I'm attached to that's fucking gross let me spit it back out.

It's discovered that synched machines can either be stored 'somewhere I dunno' or completely external so long as they stay within range of that weird forcefield.

Suffice to say, more science occurs, other people are discovered to be compatible with the god machines and the start of proper rebuilding starts.

Humanity noticed the weird gender disparity between people compatible with these god machines pretty quickly but who cares.

Then they discover these weird enormous tornadoes roaring around the major impact sites. Naturally, they send people inside to look at what was up. Wow, there's literally what the fuck inside here. Ohh what's this? Weird gravity readings.
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