Alphaleph
The Firstiest of First
Tagging @Avalanche just so he can put a stop to this before we go off the rails at a sedate speed.
Battle Action Harem Highschool Side Character Quest (No SV, you are the Waifu)
- Thread starter Avalanche
- Start date
- Original
- Location
- Anchorage, Alaska
Things have gone to strange places. Are you inured to the madness yet, or must you be dragged into ever stranger corners of the mind? I'm pretty sure we've gone beyond Euclid at this point...
1686
Actually this reminds me of something I was pondering a couple days ago during the whole "Valkyries are superior to baseline humans" discussion. We know that Valkyrie cores improve their users as well as their equipment. So the question is; do Valkyrie cores improve their users' babies? Are Valkyrie moms breeding a new subspecies of superhumans? Oh and has any research being done on whether kids of Valkyries are more likely to be compatible with Valkyrie cores?
Dark Abstraction
Infrequent Participant
- Location
- United States
I imagine that the children of valks are somewhat superior to non-valk offspring, but it's probably much less a situation of "valk core improves babies" as it is "valk core improves the human whose genetic traits will be passed down to their children", giving better results that way. Like how people with beneficial genetic traits already produce 'superior' offspring together than people with lots of detrimental genetic traits, who would have children together that share those detrimental genetic traits.
Unless they choose to move the unborn fetus into their inventory to let their valk core improve the fetus the same way that it improves everything else.
It'd be safer in combat that way
- Location
- oregon, usa
- Pronouns
- He/Him
This is an interesting question. The relevant trait might not be genetic, and even if it is, would almost certainly be recessive given the incidence rate of compatibility that holds up in all populations across the globe. The trait is probably some unholy combination of things such as environmental influences and some genetics, if not outright metaphysical BS. There is minimal chance of science determining the relevant influences prior to the end of the AG conflict. Any such testing would likely require a gargantuan sample size, with an equally massive amount of collected facts about of of the members of all groups.
Ultimately there are more valkyrie cores than their are compatibles by a vast margin, so the simple solution of just handing a valk core to a person and checking for compatibility is far more efficient than trying to figure out he causes/reasons for compatibility.
There have probably been some attempts to determine cause of valk compatibility, but they have either failed completely, revealed some damning trait and been classified, or are somewhere in their data collection stage.
Flashkannon
Aqua Iconographer
- Location
- TM 91
Yeah actually, on the subject of Valks and people, can you integrate a person? Like, not another valk, since they have an attendant valk core they'd naturally be unintegratable as per WoG, but just a regular human. There are so many questions pursuant to that, like what does that feel like, what happens to them, yadda yadda, but the basic question needs to be asked, because unlike integrating the planet, this has applications, for (at the very least) in-the-field rescue purposes.
Alphaleph
The Firstiest of First
Well, when your question can immediately go up in a moral philosophical flame in a matter of minutes, it's safe to say that you should remember to tag @Avalanche
If anything, it'd notify him of the beginning.
Seriously, this can go squick very fast.
SaltyWaffles
I am dissapoint, son
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Man, Anna has got to be something of a surrogate daughter/granddaughter/niece/little cousin for most of the Instructors, come to think of it.
One one hand, she's hypercompetent, innovative, teaching them new tricks, diligent, and intent on paving the way for newer Valks. On the other hand, she's young, socially inept, spent eight years straight fighting a constant one-girl war against an entire Breach while defending a town of civilians (with zero time actually in the rear-lines or on R&R)--with all of the trauma involved, and thus has the "all too familiar with death and danger" mentality that the Instructors relate to, is very earnest and almost child-like in many situations, and likes to help people.
I keep picturing Leonhart and/or Meyer seeing the Bread-chan memes on the Arcology net and being caught between aww'ing at how cute/adorable it is and being utterly horrified at the implications--that Anna took to trying foods in categorical-alphabetical order because the notion of having an actual selection of foods to choose from (let alone all of these foods she's never tried or even heard of) is completely alien to her.
SaltyWaffles
I am dissapoint, son
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Not really sure how. The UN works its Valkyries hard, but it treats them well, too. They're literally the heroes of humanity. Furthermore, the UN has every incentive to treat its Valks especially well after the war, since they are both individuals of unparalleled power (even if there are currently 20,000 of them and growing) and are owed one hell of a debt.
But the thing is, Valks aren't going to be power-hungry or violent. They're going to be veterans of a long, brutal war for survival. Arcologies provide plenty of creature comforts and entertainment, plus an entire megacity's worth of high standards of living. Valks will be free to--along with the now-freed-up Builder drones--improve the livelihoods/standards of living of all of those living outside of Arcologies, as well as rebuild civilization in much of the world. Maybe they'll help out on whatever megaprojects the UN sponsors next. Maybe they'll start up a competitive sporting league for Valks.
Maybe there'll be a handful of "bad eggs", so to speak, but nowhere near enough to actually provide meaningful resistance to the UN, should that handful resort to force. Remember, even the top five in 300 frames wouldn't be able to stand up to the next fifty in 300 frames.
I'm not saying that it will be a case of "no armed conflicts, ever", but the UN won't allow humanity to fracture and splinter apart afterwards--nor will the Valkyries. Not after all that humanity lost to get to that point, and after seeing how much better things were when united.
Alphaleph
The Firstiest of First
Eh, unless Avalanche stated otherwise, I think they totally could.
While it's not direct proof I have some proof by deduction for you.
The Top 20 can solo Class E Type Zeros without 300 units and Class D with:
Two regular Aces in 300 units can take on a Class D:
So logically two Aces should be able to take one Top 20. Theoretically therefore the Top 5 should be taken out by ranks six through to fifteen.
We also know that five regular Aces in 300 units can take on a Class C:
So even if we're being pessimistic/optimistic and saying the Top 5 are closer to Class Cs then they'd still be taken out by ranks six through to thirty.
SaltyWaffles
I am dissapoint, son
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Basically this. Granted, that might have changed somewhat since he made those comments (he did change the combat system at one point, for instance), but the overall principle is the same. Even the literal best of the best can't beat a swarm of the next-best. And considering that the Number One is Anna--Miss "Humans Should Not Fight Other Humans" herself, the girl who slaughtered over half of the remaining population of the town she had been fighting tooth and nail for eight years straight to protect because they were killing the innocents--even that much is out of the question.
- Location
- Mountains and rivers
Aha, but the leader of the UN "Literally Worse Than Hitler" will make an appearance after all the AGs die and the Valks are tired and start his plot to rule the entire world, the entire thing (AGs arriving) probably being the plan from the start!
And then Anna—
That's nice, Anna . . .
Did you seriously not consider this question? Hell, I've had it since I learned that there were 90 year olds who've had a Valk equipped for decades.
There HAS to have been at least one kid who was conceived and born from one of them by now, or else there would be a known side effect of 'no pregnancies' while synced - leading to people needing to go civilian to have a family.
This isn't even a squick question about 'would they be upgraded', just a backstory question to the anime's writers.
The government of Pakistan had all the same incentives to treat its Valkyries well, and it treated them terribly. During the war. What makes the people leading the UN more immune to bone-headed bad decisions and corruption?
The winds of politics change quickly as incentives change and politicians change.
Thankfully Aleksandra was around to smooth things over.
The top 100 are pretty chill IIRC, the rankings more or less stuck in their current form. There's a bunch that's more competitive but that's towards the lower end.
Hello Aleksandra...
Yes. For cultural reasons mostly, cultural reasons that won't have flown nor fly in the Westernised egalitarian culture of the UN. Especially when there's influential politicians and generals who owe their lives and the lives of their troops to Valkyrie intervention rotating through the UN's upper government for decades.
Alphaleph
The Firstiest of First
Top 70 are pretty chill with the top twenty(four+1) tired of the shit.
And the top hasn't really been exposed to it.
We know almost nothing about the culture of the UN, other than that it decided to launch a coup and take control of the entire world. I'll note that the majority of "western" nations were completely obliterated. It seems more likely to me that the survivors in the UN come from a highly authoritarian tradition.
- Location
- Somewhere near L1... I think
I imagine this might be/have been the back story for the Superhuman/Noevu Riche character(s).
I could also conceive a plot to steal a portion of the 300 frames once they are in storage after the war. They'd be locked down harder than sci-fi fort knox but this is anime so maybe.
Again, absolutely not likely. Absolutely dismissable. But not impossible.
Again, absolutely not likely. Absolutely dismissable. But not impossible.
Australia still existed, the UN would've had a number of peace keeping missions still going in areas not greatly affected by Impact and the UN itself has a strong cultural inclination towards egalitarianism on both the cultural and the gender fields. These are things that are not easily dismissed, especially when the reason the UN ended up the top dog is that they'd have been able to more effectively leverage their Core equipped construction personnel for infrastructure.
All of these combine in the UN being less prone to abuse their Valkyries from the get go, and as things progress the sheer value of a Valk on any job becomes too clear to understate. The reason Pakistan ended up annexed was because they were wasteful of their Valks and no other reason, authoritarianism of the UN's current major influences merely meant that such a demand was far more likely to eventually occur than another round of political horse trading.