Battle Action Harem Highschool Side Character Quest (No SV, you are the Waifu)
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The two at not necessarily incompatible.
True. There's always making a mistake and annihilating yourself with the enemy.
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Especially for people who need to worry about silly things like blood loss.
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I was right!
This. Anybody else remember the VS TEAMKOJI (koji, yukari, setsuna) where we were shifting our HPPs around through different configurations including... well.
We need those back. I mean, just four is...
Yep. Need the rest back.
And there is an obvious target for our one shot... Ahem. To whit:
Moreover, I consider that Type Zero Abraxas must be destroyed.
Space superiority, son. They've got ONE thing up top, and it's pretty much the most active type zero in existence if for no other reason than its threat zone. We take it out and hit the double breaches with everything we've got before they can get another Abraxas running, we've dealt with half of the UN's biggest concerns.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaand lets not forget that wave force is a win condition, people. Finishing GGAP and flying the lunar defense mission for it is a good end path.
Regarding weapoms - I'm kind of wondering what combat or strategic advantages "Hypervelocity cannons" have over "Heavy Particle Projectors". I'm not certain there are any. Precision, range, speed, lack of ammunition requirements, energy density, (probably) damage... all that seems to be more in favour of "Heavy Particle Projectors".
So the question: do you think it would really hurt Anna if she discarded Hypervelocity cannons altogether? They probavly won't ever be focus of her training. It is, in an essence, a very unrefined weapon - throw chunks of metal at the opponent. Discarding them may have some advantages - for example faster integration of modules, as it would decrease complexity Durga's core have to support.
Do you think Hypervelocity cannon may require less energy? Are there enemies, that cannot be hurt by Heavy Particle Projectors?
As for my reasons for discarding it... it's a bit silly, to be honest. A type of (bit twisted) pride. Anna have Tony-Stark-ed Durga from very simple components up to something that invokes envy. On her own, step by step. Her weapons are unique, given that there exists reverse engineer program for them. Her throwing chunks of metal at opponent, as other Valkyrie does, simply doesn't sits well with me.
So the question: do you think it would really hurt Anna if she discarded Hypervelocity cannons altogether? They probavly won't ever be focus of her training. It is, in an essence, a very unrefined weapon - throw chunks of metal at the opponent. Discarding them may have some advantages - for example faster integration of modules, as it would decrease complexity Durga's core have to support.
Do you think Hypervelocity cannon may require less energy? Are there enemies, that cannot be hurt by Heavy Particle Projectors?
As for my reasons for discarding it... it's a bit silly, to be honest. A type of (bit twisted) pride. Anna have Tony-Stark-ed Durga from very simple components up to something that invokes envy. On her own, step by step. Her weapons are unique, given that there exists reverse engineer program for them. Her throwing chunks of metal at opponent, as other Valkyrie does, simply doesn't sits well with me.
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Ginger Maniac
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HPPs don't have a kill-zone. They're near-c weapons, so if you can't hit your target then you need to either work on your aiming or shut down their timehax bullshit.
Converting the HVCs sounds like a good start for getting back to our previous standard of lethality.
Converting the HVCs sounds like a good start for getting back to our previous standard of lethality.
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I suppose there advantage is that they are the most complex tech we can get as anything better is in a reverse engineering program like our beams or is the personal weapon of a Ace, like Shuri's Halberd. If we want something on the same level as the Particle cannons we just need to wait on them.
I'm not sure if dumping them would significantly decrease the time to install our modules but regardless, what are you expecting to happen in the next two months that we need them for?
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Avalanches quote was more about the question, would current Anna beat pre Sekhmet Anna in a fight. We didn't choose to dump our cannons, yes we did give some away but mostly they broke. Frankly now that Anna has access to the UN supplies and stuff she could arguably sustain all seven cannons just by requisitioning fusion reactors until she's got juice to spare.
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Dark Abstraction
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We gave away one (1) Heavy Particle Projector for reverse engineering. We lost 5 in the fight against Sekhmet. We have the remaining 4 still. So if people want to get more HPPs, we need to grab weapons to upgrade into them.
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Where do you intend to get these? It took Anna years to improve a regular gun to that standard.
Flashkannon
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From broken weapons and unimproved systems. It'd be considerably easier here, what with the UN supply chain and all. Also if we're lucky, we might be able to score some of the cast-off prototypes from the people reverse-engineering our HPP, which could put us a lot closer to a functioning one.
She might be able to make more when she get that fabricator online. We know all the weapons she picked up eventually became HPP´s so she should have some experiences converting them but, I think, we dont know if we need to grab a random weapon and begin converting it from square one or grab the materials needed and make one with Durga!fabricator hax. We really should make one more of that battery thing we also gave away to research.
But I hope all of this will be options to pick when we get to the time-skips cause either way it is long term projects.
But I hope all of this will be options to pick when we get to the time-skips cause either way it is long term projects.
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I'd also raise concerns about our ability to deal with any opponents that might get right up in our face, as it were, except I have not read the skill sheets enough to even pretend to raise particularly factual-based arguments for or against it.
Here are our relevant melee skills. As you can see, we can use our HPP at zero ranged with maximum skill. Our Unarmed skills have a low cap but can probably be easily Mastered. Our Plasma Lance is very fast, which is extremely good, because reaction time is the main thing to keep us alive in defensive fighting, but could do with some training in other areas. We also have a bunch of skills I didn't quote on using our various systems as (essentially) improvised weapons. Overall, my opinion is that we're as deadly in melee as at any other range, except if we try to have a sword fight with a true master.
Oh and that's all without mentioning that Static Wave is a zero-range attack.
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I was under the impression that HVC (and accompanying lower complexity) gave us more load out flexibility. While Durga and Anna can't bring the pain like they used to they are still massive overkill in most situations. And remember, Durga/Anna is basically the love child of an A-10 Warthog and an E-3 Sentry on steroids as opposed to the F-22 that is Shuri. So maybe we should focus less on being an advancing wall on guns, and being the person ensuring the advancing wall of guns hits something.
Anna/Durga are classified as all-rounders, but that isn't exactly true now. Before the showdown at Saskatoon Anna was a full military rolled in one murderous package. Advanced radar/early warning systems; full E-warfare/intelligence component; anti-air, anti-ground, and anti-armor capabilities; self repair capabilities; and micro-scale munitions factories all came as part of the deal with her. Put together Anna/Durga could operate in enemy territory without a supply line and lay the hurt on the AG forces. But as anyone with even passing familiarity with militaries and their histories, the largest components of any fighting force are the support components.
As ridiculously overpowered as Anna/Durga's weapons are, her true strength is as support. Target acquisition and suppression, resupplying and repairing in the field, care under fire, and close air support are all things Anna/Durga excel at. By themselves they own face, but with a technologically integrated unit they becomes a massive force multiplier by countering noise, interference, and enemy jamming. So the big question for me becomes if Anna/Durga could incorporate all the parts to become the all-seeing-eye-in-the-sky for her allies along with a mobile medical facility and weapons factory with or without the HPP.
Thoughts?
Anna/Durga are classified as all-rounders, but that isn't exactly true now. Before the showdown at Saskatoon Anna was a full military rolled in one murderous package. Advanced radar/early warning systems; full E-warfare/intelligence component; anti-air, anti-ground, and anti-armor capabilities; self repair capabilities; and micro-scale munitions factories all came as part of the deal with her. Put together Anna/Durga could operate in enemy territory without a supply line and lay the hurt on the AG forces. But as anyone with even passing familiarity with militaries and their histories, the largest components of any fighting force are the support components.
As ridiculously overpowered as Anna/Durga's weapons are, her true strength is as support. Target acquisition and suppression, resupplying and repairing in the field, care under fire, and close air support are all things Anna/Durga excel at. By themselves they own face, but with a technologically integrated unit they becomes a massive force multiplier by countering noise, interference, and enemy jamming. So the big question for me becomes if Anna/Durga could incorporate all the parts to become the all-seeing-eye-in-the-sky for her allies along with a mobile medical facility and weapons factory with or without the HPP.
Thoughts?
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So if we do hit our melee skills, maybe a touchup on the Plasma Lance's precision and the Hypervelocity Cannon's everything, is sort of what I'm seeing here.
Well yeah, but using the just-this-side-of-suicide-finishing-attack on any enemy that isn't at least approaching the levels of a Type Zero that manages to get in close to us doesn't sound like the best plan in the world, to me at least.
I'm not certain how Anna got HPP in the first place. I don't think it was defined at all. It's likely that it was something she picked from Antagonist. It is equally likely, it was something she developed by herself, using some ridiculously simple components - like (for example) simple X-Ray generator used in radiography.
Problem with picking and upgrading something is, that more complex item, less freedom remains in "upgrading". For example, you won't turn Hypervelocity Cannon into HPP it's different weapon.
Still, I think Anna can recreate her lost weapons. Either by integrating very simple components, stealing from antagonists, or by simply using Durga to "auto-repair" them. In latter case - yes, they are lost, but Anna is synchronized with Durga deeply enough, that she should be able to pull it off.
BTW - I wonder how much Anna could affect Durga's speed of integration / repair, if she really put her mind to it.
notthepenguins
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I don't think it's Anna's style, and I don't think it will help us in our quest to become MC. Dedicated support characters are pretty thoroughly relegated to supporting cast.
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Well, we'd still only be able to power them reliably with UN requisitioned fusion reactors.
Also, valks probably make the logistics train much smaller on their own.
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I think she ate enough antagonists that she got a free sub.
I keed, I keed. But yeah, I think it's cross-engineered Antagonist tech. Kind of like how she seems to have cobbled together her doomsday gun out of Antagonist reactor/stardrive tech. The HPPs could be weapons that started life as something innocuous like communications arrays that got their BLAM scaled up. Or they could have been antagonist energy weapons that had their safeties ripped out and their doom-meter cranked up to eleven and torn off the casing. It's hard to say. But the Antagonists don't seem to use a direct equivalent from what we've seen, preferring lasers and missiles IIRC, with possibly some more conventional cannon?
Bakkasama
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So basically, there's only 1 HPP in existance that isn't currently in our possesion. That would mean that even if we reclaim it, we would have to upgrade another 5 in order to have the full set. Leaving the HPP with the UN to reverse engineer has the advantage that they can provide us with 6 HPP once they are done, plus they will be able to produce spares in case we break them again, drastically reducing the time without maximum dakka. From my point of view, it's more of a long term inversion than a loss.
About the hipervelocity cannon matter, I think that there was something about of how with the fabricator integrated we could produce amunition crates, so even if we do have to reload it's not like we are going to run out of ammo (or was that Kojirou? well, we are integrating a fabricator anyways. In that case, considering the speed it fires, it's pretty similar to a laser weapon. The HPP are obviously stronger, but as a particle weapon, have a chance to overload if used to much at once.
Hipervelocity cannons are dessigned to fire reliably at high speeds, and since are relatively simple are faster to repair.
Furthermore, even if it isn't a very sound argument, both weapons cause damage by different means, and there are ways to deal specifically against certain types of damage.
So in the remote case we find an enemy with a trick to deal with exotic particles, I wouldn't mind having some diversity even if the HVC are suboptimal in terms of firepower compared to HPP. Sure, we are stronger with 10 HPP, but HVC have their advantages as a sidearm. There's no reason to throw them away before we are sure we can secure more HPP. (plus, our HVC make a match with Koujirou's. Take that Setsuna!)