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Attempting to Fulfill the Plan MNKh Edition

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the state of the plan got updated, as expected we completed everything except the capital goods target
Blackstar said:
State of the Eighth Five-Year Plan: Failed
35% Increase in MFPG Production Value: Completed
20% Increase in Capital Goods Production Value: Failed
50% Increase in Consumer Goods Production Value: Completed
30% Increase in Agricultural Sector Production Value: Completed
55% Increase in Service Sector Production Value: Completed
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Supreme Soviet Updated 1968 (Listed by Delegates, Unity, and Degree of Support) (None<Poor<Decent<Acceptable<Good<Excellent)
Ashimov's Faction: Around 150 Acceptable, None
Kleshchev's Faction: Around 60 Excellent, Poor
Romanov's Faction: Around 490, Acceptable, Excellent
Kosygin's Faction: Around 530, Good, Acceptable
Podgorny's Faction: Around 190 Decent, Poor
Dzhussoev's Faction: Around 50 Decent, None
Gulyam's Faction: Around 80 Acceptable, None

Supreme Soviet Updated 1970 (Listed by Delegates, Unity, and Degree of Support) (None<Poor<Decent<Acceptable<Good<Excellent)
Ashimov's Faction: Around 80 Acceptable, None
Kleshchev's Faction: Around 40 Excellent, Poor
Romanov's Faction: Around 530, Good, Excellent
Semyonov's Faction: Around 400, Acceptable, Good
Podgorny's Faction: Around 320 Decent, Poor
Dzhussoev's Faction: Around 120 Decent, None
Gulyam's Faction: Around 60 Acceptable, None

So, the election results are out, and this is what we are left with after them and Kosygin's removal from power. Most notably, Romanov displaced Kosygin as the biggest power broker in the Supreme Soviet, inheriting Masherov/Semyonov's seat as Second Secretary and Chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet. He has also consolidated his hold on the faction, going from acceptable to good. Needless to say, this is quite good for us, he is our ally and can be counted upon to advance our positions within reason.

Semyonov's position is shaky, he is significantly weaker than Kosygin, his factional union has been downgraded from good to accceptable and there is a very real possibility of him not lasting till the end of the decade. I suspect 1974 will make it or break it for him, he just doesn't have the degree of support needed to support any kind of disruption I suspect, and well, I expect we will have plenty of them the next decade. But well, he is still General Secretary and has a lot of sway, so not someone to be dismissed despite his comparative weakness. An interesting thing to note, is he and his faction are more willing to work with Klimenko than Kosygin.

Podgorny's shift into respectability these last 5 years have finally born fruit, he finally has left the 100-200 delegate count and suddenly become much more important. His legislative wins, Ashimov's failure in the election, newfound moderation and Kosygin's faction being weakened in the sucession have all conspired to decisively solidify his place as third in state structures, and potentially the Union. The only fly in the ointment so to say is Dzhussoev, who likely stole some of his gains and supporters.

Speaking of which, Dzhussoev is one of the big winners of this election, his faction more than doubled in size and he has likely made a name for himself, displacing Ashimov in relevance in the radical wing. His ideias of worker control are quite opposed to us, and unlike Podgorny he is not someone we can really work with. His ideias of opening up the Party are good at least, and him Podgorny and Semyonov to an extent can work to that end I expect.

Ashimov has eaten dirt, his rising star being dimmed by the Center and other radicals outperforming. He has lost almost half his supporters and his faction doesn't have the benefit of being as united as the Stalinist wing, so it will be hard for him to remain relevant during this cycle. But who knows, we've seen politicians recovering before. Podgorny was disdained almost universally and had like 90 supporters at one point and now he has 320 allies in the Supreme Soviet and is a major figure in politics, but for now Klimenko has one less thing to worry about.

Gulyam managed to do well despite his mishap last year, though not nearly as well as Dzhussoev and not enough to put him over Ashimov. Actually never mind, he lost 20 delegates, not gained them lmao, so yeah, that's good.

Kleshev did quite poorly this election, whilst his faction is still quite united, he is even less relevant than he was previously, losing over 30% of his faction, mostly to Romanov I expect.

Anyway, we now can have a look at our new General Secretary and Romanov in his fancy new chair:

Blackstar said:
Government of the Soviet Union

General Secretary: Vladimir Semyonovich Semyonov(1969): With the retirement of Kosygin Semyonov is the only logical and rational man to take the post with an immediate shift in the prioritization of politics. Going up as someone with experience in party work rather then more conventional technical fields Semyonov represents something of a change in party cadres. The man has a negligible degree of experience working with institutions and even considers that the workers having a primary say in some operations ahead of more reliable state powers as preferable. Most of these programs are almost certain to fall short of fail but the man is at least positioning himself as a champion of the workers and a credible alternative to significant deviations in politics.
  • Factional Leader
  • Trade Unionist
  • Focused on Fighting Inequality
  • Foreign Policy Dove
  • Social Liberal
  • Economically Inexperienced
Current Major Programs:
-Restructuring of the State Union
-CMEA Common Currency
-Restructuring Part-maximum


Chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet: Grigory Vasilyevich Romanov(1969): Elected as the product of being the largest factional grouping in the Supreme Soviet and the current eminent ideological leader of the socialist Struggle. Romanov has maintained tight party discipline in the Leningrad party and to an extent is one of the beneficiaries of the developments started by Voznesensky. He proposes a unified socialist theory that synergies cybernetic mechanisms with a state that is willing and able to enforce the power of the workers on the market, all while preserving socialist culture from attacks from both the left and right. His current position comes from an absolute strength in state institutions and that is only expected to deepen as the de-facto leader of the Supreme Soviet.
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Semyonov is quite based actually, too bad he likely won't last long lol, so lets hope he makes the most out of it.
 
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Blackstar said:
Most of these programs are almost certain to fall short of fail
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Should be "fall short or fail".

Thanks for the political summary @Vi'Talzin ! Any electoral surprises or was this mostly as expected? Two quick questions:
What are some of Podgorny's "legislative wins", and why can't we work with Dzhussoev? Does he outright oppose central planning?

(Found this quote still hanging in my queue)
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Well, in OTL the river reversal projects were what sparked Soviet environmentalism. However, in OTL it was a rather nationalist environmentalism. Great Russian nationalism might be something we don't want to poke.
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Huh, was River Reversal cancelled for environmental reasons? I thought it was mostly cancelled for practicality, I.E. "we're not confident in nuclear earthmoving and the creaking wreck of the 1980 USSR's economy is wholly unsuited to digging thousand kilometer canals".
 
General_Urist said:
What are some of Podgorny's "legislative wins", and why can't we work with Dzhussoev? Does he outright oppose central planning?
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Well, we don't know for sure yet, but decriminalization of homosexuality is one, and last turn mentioned Podgorny agressively pushing for various policies, so him rolling the best of the three center candidates and Dzhussoev plus Semyonov both doing well probably means he did quite well in that front.

As for Dzhussoev, he wants to massively open up the Party go a degree Klim sees as dangerous and is pushing for a worker directed economy, undermining the concept of central planning in favor of them working within a market system albeit with worker ownership. The MNKh would lose its preeminent role over the economy, so he is an enemy of the Ministry.
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Huh, was River Reversal cancelled for environmental reasons? I thought it was mostly cancelled for practicality, I.E. "we're not confident in nuclear earthmoving and the creaking wreck of the 1980 USSR's economy is wholly unsuited to digging thousand kilometer canals".
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Gorbachev and the Politburo put a moratorium in discussion on the topic in 1986 for 10 years, and by the time that expired the Union was no more. The project would divert water resources from Russian Siberia to the Central Asian countries, and since they are no longer part of the same country, the latter can't override the regional interests of the former. Why give water to foreigners when we can use it for ourselves? Its also costly and would involve a lot of disruption.

There is also some environmental concerns, though they seem to split over it damaging the ice caps or being necessary due to global warming increasing the flow of fresh water into the Arctic potentially disrupting the Gulf Stream.
 
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Turn 80 The Ninth Plan(5-Year Plan)
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    Turn 80 The Ninth Plan(5-Year Plan)
    Report on the Eighth Plan:

    With the failure of Gorky, it was nearly obvious and partly politically expected that the Eighth plan would fail some of the ambitious goals set for it. The accompanying economic crisis and energy crisis did not help matters as the ministry was set to put out the remaining fires for practically the entire planning period. Politically the ministry changed the most with the expulsion of Voznesensky and the general degree of corruption he left behind. Work in the ministry itself also has further improved with experienced fresh graduates that have an actual understanding of statistical economics making up the majority of personnel.

    One of the largest political transformations in the Ministry and to a lesser extent the state was the focus on anti-corruption programs. It could be argued how much they were an effective scouring of previously technocratic influence from the state system but the corruption that was found was genuine and far-reaching. Of the personnel the ministry had in 1965 only a few remain still in politics, much less in the ministry system. For the lower ranks, the changes have been far less stark but the generation that came into the ministry under Stalin is all but gone. Even the cadres that started their careers under Mikoyan have been winnowed significantly in the rank and file, confining themselves to mostly leadership posts.

    The eighth plan itself was built with a strong basis in reviving the service sector and continuing the development of agriculture, both goals that were pursued with the greatest priority. For the former, strong investments in direct population-facing service applications predominated spending as employment increased alongside improving standards of living. Trucking has steadily gone from a small industry to a major economic juggernaut critical for the operation of many enterprises with general consulting services accessible if still expensive. With the strong associated increase in funding the plan further accomplished a massive expansion of both education and childcare, preparing the next generation better than any before it.

    Infrastructure funding was refocused on the road crisis as the situation reached a pivotal and unmanageable point for political thinking. This only continued through the plan as all programs were pushed toward ensuring the development of transportation infrastructure. Control of waters across the Amur and Central Asia has improved water access for millions with further developments likely to only continue to improve the local situation. With the crossing of the Urals and a new canal route built, the coal crisis of the last decade has finally been solved. More mines still need to be developed to ship enough coal West but it is no longer an existential crisis with no means to address it.

    Both heavy and light industrial applications took a significant reduction in funding across the plan as both were focused on the development of power infrastructure. This coincided with a strong increase in the development of the economy with power demand rapidly climbing through all sectors. Further outside of some movements to increase consumer goods production by the end of the plan most of the focus fell on continuing previous policies. From this came the mild mistake of limiting alternatives to Gorky and slowing their development. The completion of the Sevastopol Enterprise promises to improve production well ahead of old standards but it came late in the scheme of things. To an extent, the tooling crisis caused the shortfall in capital goods, but it was also caused by a simple lack of allocation to the sector.

    Rural development and agriculture more broadly have seen some of the largest changes in yields across the nation. The introduction of hybridized dwarf wheat crossbreeding for harsher conditions has increased yields and fertilizer uptake massively with the shorter growing season allowing far more reliable harvests. Further, the increase in mechanization and the size of the small family farm have accompanied an improvement in labor efficiency and production. The area under tillage technically shrank across the plan but the production of basic commodities strongly increased. The provision of additional machinery and the maturity of the chemical industry further contributed to a strong growth tendency, allowing agriculture to steadily become a quasi-revenue-gaining sector.

    The negatives of prioritization of the plan outside the acute economic crisis of Gorky come from a lack of housing, secondary infrastructure, and a focus on long-term development. The educational system built through the plan will deliver massive gains in the long-term performance of the Union but labor prices have rapidly gone up and the increase in education has temporarily limited the graduation of educated labor. Water systems that are still unexceptional and poor in areas have received little effort for modernization and the housing situation has worsened across the country. More construction is necessary along with far more focus on improving the general infrastructural system across the next plan if the Union is to overtake the West.


    Student Mobilization

    []ESA:     Computational performance on the enterprise level has continued to perform above the expected bound with the automatization of significant quantities of secretary work providing an increased capacity. Focusing on a new automated system of governmental control will eliminate a massive number of previously redundant positions and allow for the rapid computation of numbers. Current Erbrus units are already sufficient for much of the work required with further efforts focused on improved machines and microelectronic terminals. This will shift some positions and eliminate some lower-ranked redundant personnel through new hires, keeping the ministry leaner and more organized. (250 Progress Infra Project) (Probable Gain of Four Dice(can be free dice)) (Significant Political Cost)

    []Continue Conventional Promotions: Promoting students to the point that they can be educated and trained by more experienced personnel is going to be essential to maintaining the state of the ministry. Current long-service personnel have effectively already trained a mass of incoming juniors and to a large extent, the ministry has recovered from the deficits of the sixties. Bringing in new personnel can be done in a measured fashion, avoiding disruption and continuing a steady expansion of governmental capacity. (Gain of Four Dice, Determined Next Turn and you Cannot put more than two in one category)

    []Expand the Student Cadres: There is not a shortage of students who have taken experienced positions doing key economic consulting work for enterprises along with a bevy of engineers who have each pushed through their technical tasks. Hiring them into the ministry will to an extent dilute experience but it will ensure that more trained and more technical personnel continue to be hired. As an added advantage the rotation of cadres and the inclusion of more students is expected to continue the consolidation of control away from the old guard with more reliable and generally better-educated youths. (Gain of Six Dice, Determined Next Turn and you Cannot put more than two in one category) (-2 Experience bonus, +1 Economics Education) (Eventual Political Gains)


    Plan Focus: (Baseline of 4 FR/10 IN/10 HI/6 LI/6 CI/6 AG/10 SR) (Choose 2)

    []Infrastructure:. The massive strides made in the last plan towards bringing the Union's road system out of the past and developing to a point over all but the most advanced capitalist powers has greatly accelerated the economy but far more can be done. Continuing the drive towards improving the state of general infrastructure by concentrating efforts on it can produce massive results and continue to serve both private and state industrial development. The sector itself has yet to run out of low-cost projects but several more ambitious ones have already been proposed. (+6 IN Dice) (Required for Reversal of Northern Rivers, Baikal-Amur Line, and Basic Infrastructure Target)

    []Heavy Industry: The previous plans since Malenkov's failure have discouraged investment into the conventional industry in favor of the development of consumer-facing production. Work now however must be done to address the shortage of electronics integration, lower technology machinery using numerical control, and the integration of computing into the production process. Initial electronic systems have built a basis but far more can be done to automate the factory floor. Further, with new innovative techniques any semblance of an energy crisis can be solved through strong capital investment and innovative atomic technologies. (+6 HI Dice) (Required for Modernization of Tooling Supplies, Atomash, and the High Technology Industries Target)

    []Light Industry: Consumer goods shortages have been primarily made a thing of the past as manufacturing expands and gets cheaper through the expanded use of under-mobilized labor. Further programs towards increasing the state supply of consumer production are still necessary to meet the massive demands placed on the sector and ensure adequate support for private industries. Further, the programs are expected to significantly improve employment conversely to other sectors as otherwise under qualified workers can be utilized. (+6 LI Dice) (Required for Consumer Goods Programs, Expanded Textile Programs, and the Consumer Supply Programs Target)

    []Chemical Industry: The Union currently imports a significant portion of its rubber from CMEA and has issues supplying anywhere near sufficient quantities of plastic to domestic industries. Further, the need for oil is only strongly increasing as extraction can only climb so quickly. To provide the time for other solutions to the energy crisis and establish industries that can more efficiently use otherwise useless heavy fractions, a large modernization and expansion of the petrochemical sector is necessary. The Union was once massively over-producing oil and it must do so again. (+6 CI Dice) (Required for Plastic Programs, Stabilization of Agrochemicals, and the Energy Independence Target)

    []Agriculture: With new seeds and a steady increase in the supply of chemicals for agriculture some of the problems involved in the sector have been eliminated. The current situation is still decidedly poor as despite strong agricultural exports the sector is barely accomplishing a net profit on the whole compared to further spending. Continuing a strong program of capital spending and industrialization can further the countryside's modernization and ensure that rural areas are properly developed. (+6 AG Dice) (Required for National Greening Programs, Mechanization of Small Farms, and Large Scale Water Management)

    []Services: Services have delivered considerable returns for the funding invested into the sector as the mobilization of the population has continued. Providing basic childcare alone has massively contributed towards increasing the number of workers available and the quality of life of mothers. Further programs will be focused on extending the development of current services along with ensuring a universal extent of availability. Further, distribution programs can be extended into the countryside to allow for specialty goods to be shipped to end users rather than kept in stockpiles. (+6 SR Dice) (Required for Logistical Integration, Labor Reserve Educational Mobilization, and State services partnerships)


    Spending Levels:

    []20+15% GNP:     Maintaining current commitments of spending as the economy has a partially sluggish recovery from the previous crisis in the heavy industrial sectors can be pursued in attempts to reduce overheating and balance growth. This is almost certain to not prevent an eventual recession from something but there is little reason to commit to as rapid of an expansion as possible when more measured programs can go most of the way. Half of the funding in the program will stay in the enterprises contributing towards a strong drive towards modernization and the purchase of new equipment. (8500 RpY)

    []20+20% GNP: Increasing the rate of spending for enterprises and ensuring that managers can have the largest possible degree of initiative will leave the largest effect on modernization. The economy is in an important transitional period and providing as much funding as possible for it will produce strong growth. The machine industry can be focused on in the state sector all while demand increases in the enterprises' relentless drive for modernization. The political risks of the strategy are immense, especially since enterprises may push to maintain the level of funding. Further increasing capital expenditure also poses risks and may lead to instability and lagging growth in later plans. (8200 RpY)

    []25+10% GNP: Massive programs of direct investment for capital development are going to be core for growth and fundamentally necessary to increase the scope of the ministry. This will cut back funding from the enterprises and leave no small amount of complaints but practically every part of the state sector needs a strong commitment of funding. Keeping the funding concentrated will limit the funding available to enterprises for modernization but the economy can finally close the gap with the developed world in infrastructure and the production of machining. Further, expensive population-facing programs can pay off in the long term contributing massive amounts of skilled personnel for future growth. (10400 RpY) (Burns Favor)

    []25+15% GNP: Increasing ministry funding with a highly technical plan is a viable proposal but one that risks several problems. Unilaterally increasing capital expenditures to rapidly increase growth will have a strong negative effect across the next plan with much of it likely leading to another over-expansion of prioritized sectors. Caution will have to be taken that the inevitable cutback in spending along with issues in supply do not cause a severe demand shock and another economic crisis. Still, with funding allocated and the enterprises provided with enough to modernize the nation can advance in leaps and bounds to prepare for the next decade. (10000 RpY)


    Plan Target Proposals:

    []Balanced Planning:     Avoiding committing to anything and promising a continuation of previous programs while recovering the capital goods sector and maintaining strong growth in energy and population-facing production exists as an option. Staying non-committal will avoid over-focusing the economy on any one sector but will present a series of hard targets across the board that will be challenging to conventionally meet. Technical work towards meeting these goals will take time and be a major challenge but the ministry is at the most capable it has ever been to meet them. (35% MFPG, 30% Capital Goods, 45% Consumer Goods, 20% Agricultural, and 45% Service Sector Valuation Increase)

    []Energy Independence: The political consequences of CMEA having to import petroleum or even worse the Union becoming dependent on foreign petroleum are a massive political threat. Massive programs to increase the production of petrochemicals along with complimentary technical programs to increase electricity production from new sources will be needed to meet current demands. The priority to ensure that capital goods production can be maintained at an adequate pace will still exist to recover the sector but the plan itself will live and die by the strong increase in the petroleum industry. (45% MFPG, 25% Capital Goods, 40% Consumer Goods, 20% Agricultural, and 45% Service Sector Valuation Increase)

    []High Technology Industries: Computerization is here to stay and going to be economically significant if not critical for the next decade. Continued programs to increase the domestic production of semiconductors, stabilize local supply chains, and ensure a domestic technologies environment need to be started now. The Union is slightly behind the West but more and more capable students graduate every day and in a decade it may overtake the latest Western technical capabilities. Industrially the construction of new facilities capable of working with the latest engines using true computer-controlled machinery will be the primary focus with a secondary focus on keeping fuel prices stable. (35% MFPG, 35% Capital Goods, 40% Consumer Goods, 20% Agricultural, and 45% Service Sector Valuation Increase)

    []Consumer Supply Programs: The surge towards the service sector has to an extent compensated for issues in the production of materials but fundamental mobilization of the industrial masses must accompany strong growth in the services. The light industry will be focused on increasing the production and turnover of consumer goods to become even more of an exporter. Further programs to expand the services sector will continue no matter what but with a strong focus several enterprises for consulting and technical services can be developed. Further, the reduced focus on fuel is expected to be compensated for through moderate modernization of the machinery sector especially if computer-aided numerical control is as revolutionary as claimed. (30% MFPG, 30% Capital Goods, 50% Consumer Goods, 25% Agricultural, and 55% Service Sector Valuation Increase)

    []Basic Infrastructure: Abandoning chasing high targets and focusing on the population is an understandable deviation from conventional approaches and one that may be necessary. The previous plan has massively expanded employment and economic turnover with the one before that arguably more extreme. Instead of chasing growth to the largest extent possible, the nation can instead focus on the development of housing and transportation to enable future growth. The size of the Union leaves transport expensive and extraction is only growing further from the industrial base. A massive housing program alone can also finally deliver on the promise of universal apartments for all, improving population growth and contentedness. (35% MFPG, 30% Capital Goods, 40% Consumer Goods, 20% Agricultural, and 50% Service Sector Valuation Increase) (7 Housing Dice 1 HSR, and 1 electrification Dice Required)


    Automatic Projects (Automated things you may want to build/Have to build) (Approximate Power Expectation of 450 a turn, expect more with a HI or CI or to a lesser extent LI focus)

    Housing Construction Efforts(Selection Required):
    -[]3 Infrastructure Dice:     Some mild mistakes may have been made in the initial housing projections with the state of housing defined as desirable generally overestimated in the extreme. There is currently less of a housing shortage and more of a shortage of high-quality housing, but that can be comparatively deprioritized relative to more important industrial developments. Committing enough resources to keep the sector functioning will allow for the construction of larger and more economically stimulating projects than a few million workers having a larger kitchen. (300 RpY Modified by Steel Prices)
    -[]5 Infrastructure Dice: Expanding the pace of the housing program to ensure that the new generation can receive up-to-date housing along with improving the general state of housing is considered something of a priority. A full-scale decisive program is not required in that as an investment housing can be comparatively deprioritized compared to economic gains, but it can still be made better. Continued financial efforts will allow for the acceleration of construction to meet the demands of the rising population with a strong increase in per-family rooms along with a reduction in the age of construction. (480 RpY Modified by Steel Prices) (Stage 5 Air Conditioning required by 1973)
    -[]7 Infrastructure Dice: Housing is the largest interaction most workers have with the economy and inherently one that defines their perception of the world as so much time is spent in it. The old Mikoyankas and immediate post-war builds are approaching obsolescence and that alone must be decisively answered to improve the general state of housing. Further expanding the program to the point that nearly five million new apartments are constructed per year will take a massive provision of funding and organizational capacity but it will ensure that the struggle for housing is won. The capacity developed now will further contribute to expansions in later plans allowing the total elimination of cooperative housing and inadequate wartime constructions by 1980. (700 RpY Modified by Steel Prices) (Stage 6 Air Conditioning required by 1973)

    []High Speed Rail:
    -[]Passenger Rail Network(Ural Region):     The Ural mountains pose a massive technical and logistical challenge to overcome for the track that must run mostly straight with few bends or major elevation changes. Still, the builders of the Trans-Siberian were able to overcome it, and there is no reason why we cannot. The Northern corridor will be built as an extension of the lines from Kazan, crossing the Urals in the direction of Sverdlovsk. Ufa will further be integrated into the network with a line headed South into Orenburg. In the Southern sector, a line from Saratov to Uralsk to Orenburg to Orsk will be constructed, allowing for an easy linkage into the Central Asian planned project. Construction past the Urals will continue from Orsk to Kostanay along the main populated corridor, entering Omsk from the South. In the North challenging work will be done to further link Saratov to Tyumen followed by a further corridor to Omsk. To increase integration a further small corridor is planned from Sverdlovsk to Kostanay, easing the transportation burden and preparing for further network expansion. (2 Infrastructure Dice) (300 RpY)
    -[]Passenger Rail Network(Caucasus): The construction of high-speed lines into the Caucasus poses several challenges due to the terrain, but work can still be done at scale. Initial line construction will focus on extending a path from Stalingrad to Astrakhan, followed by a run south toward Baku. From Baku, the most challenging elements of completing the Southern loop will be undertaken, running partially along the Kura River, transiting on a Baku-Tbilisi-Sukhumi axis. Work around Tbilisi is expected to be the most complex path for the overall system, with maximum speeds likely limited, but it poses a critical challenge toward network construction. The Western sector will be constructed as a path down from Rostov to Krasnodar to Sochi, connecting at Sukhumi. A further interline will be made across the north, linking Krasnodar, Stavropol, Natlchik, and Grozny, linking with the Eastern line around Makhachkala. (1 Infrastructure Dice) (160 RpY)

    []Rail Electrification:
    -[]1 Infrastructure Dice:     Massive savings in the operation of electric locomotives have already shown themselves as grid stability has improved but the technology is still new and untested at scale. Focusing programs towards the electrification of cargo rails along the trans-siberian and working on ensuring that the primary corridors for bulk freight are electrified will provide the largest returns for the least investment. The current plan effectively calls for main cargo lines to the east to be electrified with a line from Moscow to Leningrad and Rostov joining the campaign to ease the transport of goods. (1 Infrastructure Dice) (140 RpY) (Estimated 60 RpY Return)
    -[]2 Infrastructure Dice: As electric traction is almost sixty percent of the cost of diesel traction, broadening the program towards a ten-year plan for the replacement of cargo lines can yield significant gains. Current programs will modernize the Trans Siberian along with main cargo routes to the republic capitals in the West. Interlinks to the Polish network will further be established to enable a direct handover and continuous electric traction to Berlin once fully coordinated and established. Further work on the project will shift towards the construction of branch lines towards the largest cities in the Union, ensuring that most freight can utilize more efficient traction. (2 Infrastructure Dice) (300 RpY) (Estimated 100 RpY Return)
    -[]3 Infrastructure Dice: Electrification is the future of development and one that must be embraced rapidly to further improve global competitiveness. The Union moved to diesel traction first and decisively and the same can be done for electric traction. Mainline cargo routes will be focused on further electrification to simplify and cheapen transportation all while programs to improve locomotive production are underway. Not only will the core lines in the West be electrified but so will lines into Central Asia and the Caucasus. The program will not be complete for some time but moving now will cheapen goods across the Union and further accelerate industrial development. (3 Infrastructure Dice) (480 RpY) (Estimated 150 RpY Return)

    []Hydroelectric Power:
    -[]Upper Ob-Irtysh Cascade:     The most technically challenging cascade due to the number of villages in the way of planned development routes. Urban water supplies and enabling further irrigation along with power supplies in the developed belt are more important, but additive costs for relocations and a measured system of new housing construction will cause the project to be comparatively expensive. The already developed infrastructure in the region is expected to significantly aid in the construction, limiting how much-supporting construction will be necessary for the development of dams. (2 Infrastructure dice) (-220 RpY Modified by Steel Prices) (+60 Electricity -1 Non-Ferrous per Year) (Completion across 1973-1978) (Required for River Reversal)
    -[]Dnieper Reservoir System: Increasing the scale of irrigation programs across the Dnieper and its tributaries will be essential for improving agricultural performance and further expanding local access to water. Increasing local water levels will further improve local conditions for agriculture and allow the direct development of reservoirs and integrated irrigation systems. Power generation from the program is going to be comparatively mild but the agricultural effects are far more significant. Direct control of rivers in the Ukrainian SSR will further improve local conditions and start to minimize freshwater loss to the Black Sea. (1 Infrastructure dice) (-100 RpY Modified by Steel Prices) (+25 Electricity per Year) (Completion across 1972-1975)
    -[]Krasnoyarsk-Irkutsk Hydroelectric Zone: With lagging iron mining and the lack of development across the Union, building a new high-potential electrical and industrial zone to augment the general plan can be a major asset. The Bakchar deposit represents some of the largest reserves of iron ore available to the Union and its development will enable a further increase in conventional industry and steel production. The zone itself is mostly swampy and poorly inhabited, limiting the costs of relocating people and ensuring that development can proceed without issue. Some local aluminum plants in both Omsk and Irkutsk are expected to be founded, ensuring that power supplies are available and ensuring that the Union can keep up with the West in the production of Aluminum. (3 Infrastructure dice) (-300 RpY Modified by Steel Prices) (+45 Electricity -1 Non-Ferrous per Year) (Three -10 Steel Steel mills available 10th 5yp) (Completion across 1974-1979)
    -[]Upper Lena Cascade: The Lena is the strongest and largest river in the Union for its basin's sheer hydro potential. Discounting the more remote segments, the river itself has barely been tapped and much of the population needing to be relocated is in tiny villages across the North, reducing costs. The issue of developing the Lena is that there is very little to be done near the basin and many of the power-demanding applications are located to the South. Developing further barge infrastructure is expected to help allow for some power-intensive production to be localized, but the installations will almost entirely produce aluminum from the secondary ores available to the Union. (3 Infrastructure dice) (-270 RpY Modified by Steel Prices) (+32 Electricity -6 Non-Ferrous per Year) (Completion across 1974-1980)


    []Power Plant Construction(Nuclear VVER-500/1000):
    -[]1 Heavy Industry Die:     Constructing a further sixteen cores in a VVER-500 scheme along with two experimental VVER-1000 cores in Leningrad can continue the expansion of atomic power. The Systems developed for the project are expected to be the mass production reactor core design of the future especially as the VVER-1000 is effectively an upscaled variation on the VVER-500 incorporating lessons learned in safety and operational conditions. Mass production of the latter has been planned to decisively solve the current energy issues and break any dependency on the transportation of coals. (-320 RpY) (40 Electricity -1 Coal per Turn) (Completion across 1975-1979) (Modified by Atommash if built)
    -[]2 Heavy Industry Die: Expanding the throughput of conventional cores to a massive point with supporting infrastructure prepared in advance for next-generation reactors will take a massive amount of funding. The primary program will focus on the development of twenty VVER-500 crores to replace old-style combined cycle heating and generate further power in remote areas to minimize coal haulage. Two new liquid metal-cooled fast reactors will be constructed along with a set of four experimental VVER-1000 cores. Further centralized facilities for the processing of nuclear fuel and the storage of waste will be developed to minimize the burden on current temporary systems of storage. (-640 RpY) (64 Electricity -2 Coal per Turn) (Completion across 1975-1979) (Modified by Atommash, if built)


    []Power Plant Construction(CPSC):
    -[]1 Heavy Industry Die:     The coal industry has gone from victory to victory and committing to so little conventional power production will require significant compromises in other sectors of the plan. A mild increase in the coal industry is still expected to be necessary to meet the demand but the Union should have no practical issues increasing coal production to a sufficient point to meet current expectations. Modernization of plants is further not entirely necessary as many of the older plants are at least constructed with adequate turbines. (-320 RpY) (120 Electricity +3 Coal per Turn)
    -[]2 Heavy Industry Dice: Continuing in the same scale of effort as the previous plan a technically larger but still similarly organized production effort of coal power can be undertaken. A series of larger plants and larger turbines will allow for some savings in spending and a small improvement in efficiency but the methodology at this point is mature. Coal mining will require a strong increase in output but new coal fields near the surface are more than ready to take on the energy burden. There is currently a near-infinite expectation of coal and even with more aggressive expansion prices are not expected to jump significantly. (-600 RpY) (240 Electricity +6 Coal per Turn)
    -[]3 Heavy Industry Dice: Coal represents one of the largest energy resources that are available to the Union and one that needs to be tapped at a large scale. Work towards implementing new techniques and new coal fields will be accompanied by improved logistics to procure increased quantities of coal in the West. The current programs will accompany an aggressive expansion of mining and the technical development of Siberia significantly increasing the scale of electricity programs. Current ideas for coal alone cannot provide the power demand for the Union but expanding capacity now will provide a stable basis for the future. (-860 RpY) (360 Electricity +9 Coal per Turn)

    []Power Plant Construction(CCGT):
    -[]1 Chemical Industry Die:     Scaling down the production of gas power from the previous plan is a viable path towards reducing the scale of specialized turbine production to currently built facilities allowing the most efficient possible development of fuel resources. This will involve the tapping for gas of fields already planned for significant development as it will coincide with power goals as the likely excess gas will be vented. As the increase in gas production is effectively expected to be free power that is otherwise untapped there is little reason to avoid continued developments in its utilization. (-300 RpY) (90 Electricity) (Minimum of -10 of Petroleum Fuels in Projects over the Plan)
    -[]1 Heavy and 1 Chemical Industry Dice: Expanding work on the turbine program with a new series of plants taking advantage of improved techniques along with continued development of larger combined processes can yield significant improvements. The gas program that will accompany the development of new oil fields is expected to be massive and rather than wasting any of that gas it can instead be sent directly to more productive ends. The current initiative focuses on improving production as much as it focuses on expanding the program, ensuring that the next generation of turbines can optimally use the power available. (-600 RpY) (175 Electricity) (Minimum of -20 of Petroleum Fuels in Projects over the Plan)


    Healthcare:
    -[]1 Services Die:     Instead of a program of modernization the optional services of large urban hospitals can be expanded to increase the prevalence of elective services. This will ensure that previously underperformed procedures with significant waitlists can be performed and is expected to be comparatively cheap. This will prevent a further modernization of the sector choosing to instead focus on providing services to the population directly, but few can argue that those are also not in shortage. (120 RpY)
    -[]2 Services Dice: Domestic programs are more than sufficient to solve an obsolescence of equipment with technologies involved generally not restricted for large-scale licensing. Technical work for the program will occur through partnerships with domestic machinery and training developed to accompany it for future efforts. Wages of doctors will be maintained at the current fair compensation rate with much of the focus placed on diagnostic equipment and testing. Large-scale testing of the blood will further improve medical outcomes and provide a significant leap in treatment standards. (260 RpY)
    -[]3 Services Dice: There is a moderate scale problem in the medical sector that doctors' and nurses' wages have been stagnant and failing to keep up with the times. This has discouraged the graduation of new doctors and significantly weakened the competitiveness of the sector. In addition to massive programs for improving the production of equipment the first of a series of healthcare wage increases can be undertaken to improve conditions in the field. The program will also be accompanied by the hiring of several experts for teaching positions, transferring expertise from already successful testing and scanning programs along forming a basis for the utilization of new techniques. (500 RpY)

    Education Expansions:
    -[]2 Services Dice:     The implementation of the universal eleven-year education system has revolutionized standards for the entire nation with the Youth now trained to an acceptable standard across it. Far more work has been left to be done on the university system as it still lags in graduates compared to the West with limitations in the numbers of students graduating and enrolled. To start the path towards keeping up with the US current stipends can be maintained while enrollment is moderately expanded, this will not overtake the Americans but it will provide a solid basis for doing so in the next plan. (150 RpY)
    -[]3 Services Dice: Working in additional funding towards improving stipends for star students and ensuring that the university system can close to the American graduation numbers in a single plan is expected to massively improve skilled graduation rates. Technical work on the system will focus on shepherding the best candidates through it, offering improved stipends for good grades along with individual research grants at the student level. Both in combination are expected to increase the number of technical graduates strongly and provide a streamlined path into research professions. (250 RpY)
    -[]4 Services Dice: Accompanying a massive expansion of the University system programs can be started towards directly improving education. Universities can continue to expand both social and materials science departments with an allocation of government funding. Further to ensure that students who are performing well in education stay in it an expanded system of stipends can be implemented. While almost certainly insufficient for luxurious living, life in communal housing and access to a reasonable quantity of food will be guaranteed along with ensuring that any educational materials are provided and modern. Several new experimental schools will also be established to test the implementation of a longer primary school curriculum and several alternative structures of education. (400 RpY)


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    • Blackstar said:
    []ESA: Computational performance on the enterprise level has continued to perform above the expected bound with the automatization of significant quantities of secretary work providing an increased capacity. Focusing on a new automated system of governmental control will eliminate a massive number of previously redundant positions and allow for the rapid computation of numbers. Current Erbrus units are already sufficient for much of the work required with further efforts focused on improved machines and microelectronic terminals. This will shift some positions and eliminate some lower-ranked redundant personnel through new hires, keeping the ministry leaner and more organized. (250 Progress Infra Project) (Probable Gain of Four Dice(can be free dice)) (Significant Political Cost)
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    Probably best to do this now while we have a solid level of political support to count on. Delaying things will only make it harder since the advancement of technology will probably result in more positions being replaced and so a bigger backlash. Better to do it in smaller, more manageable bites.
     
    Has Klimenko accidentally survived as minister to lead a second plan? I suppose it's true that there's nothing more permanent than a temporary solution, because he was only meant to be a placeholder candidate, and now he's still in the chair while one of his key backers is in a grave.
     
    I think we should only put one die on rail electrification. Mathematically, the higher-dice options hit diminishing returns. 140 for 60 is considerably more attractive than 300 for 100 or 480 for 150.
     
    We still have the build the less economical rails in the future, its not about the effieciency but rather if whether we eat it now or in the future.
     
    Given that we have a lot else we could be doing with our Infrastructure dice, delaying less efficient projects to a future time while prioritizing other things might be exactly what we ought to be doing.
     
    Yay, new FYP! Just kicking some numbers around and thinking out loud here, I'm very open to discussion or suggestions.

    []Plan Constructing the Material Conditions
    -[]Student Mobilization: [FILL IN]
    -[]Plan Focus (+6 dice): Infra/HI
    -[]Spending: 20+15% GNP (+8500R)
    -[]Target: Basic Infrastructure
    -[]Infrastructure Autodice (-10 Infra/-2 Ag dice, -1300R base but modified by steel prices)
    --[]Housing: 7 Infra dice (-700R)
    --[]HSR: Caucasus, 1 Infra die (-160R)
    --[]Rail Electrification: 1 Infra die (-140R)
    --[]Hydroelectric Power: Krasnoyarsk-Irkutsk, 2 Ag + 1 Infra dice (-300R)
    -[]Power Autodice (-5 HI/-1 CI dice, +453 power, -1840R)
    --[]Nuclear Power: 2 HI dice, +38 power from last FYP's program (-640R)
    --[]Coal Power: 2 HI dice, +240 power (-600R)
    --[]Gas Power: 1 HI + 1 CI dice, +175 power (-600R)
    -[]Services Autodice (-7 Services dice, -900R)
    --[]Healthcare: 3 Services dice (-500R)
    --[]Education: 4 Services dice (-400R)
    -[]Total Discretionary pool: 4 FR/6 IN/11 HI/6 LI/5 CI/4 AG/3 SR with 4460R

    1970-72: +85 hydro power
    1973: +60 hydro power
    1974: +105 hydro power

    Average of +85 hydro power/year across the FYP should keep us in the black on electricity even with an HI focus generating more than the base demand that autodice cover, especially since we have a decent buffer to start.

    The steel discount would also give us an extra +220R from autodice discounts as long as we can keep it, which would help out with the budget situation early. The one thing that looks kinda shaky to me in this plan is being able to reliably fund 11 HI dice for the first few years, it works out so that our average dice cost has to be 120R to start.

    We can probably make it work by spending less than 120RpD in Infra/LI/Ag/Services, especially once our income grows some more as we drill for oil/do profitable projects/enterprises grow. Just 1970 and 1971 will probably involve a lot of coal mining/similar cheap HI projects, while more expensive things like automobile plants and more CNC tooling will get pushed back to 1972-74.

    This is fine for the Basic Infrastructure target I think, but if we want to do the High Technology target then 25% central funding is pretty much required. So the two paths forward that I favor are either a conservative and population-focused Basic Infra plan like the one outlined above, or a riskier High Technology target that goes up to 25+15% and risks disaster if something breaks with an overheated economy but will push our industrial edge higher.

    Basically do we want to gamble on the oil crisis not happening until the late 70s to catch up to the West faster/maintain HI competitiveness, or do we want to play it safe and accept that we're going to need another generation to slowly close the gap but not expose ourselves to supply shock vulnerability as much?
     
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    Crazycryodude said:
    Yay, new FYP! Just kicking some numbers around and thinking out loud here, I'm very open to discussion or suggestions.

    []Plan Constructing the Material Conditions
    -[]Student Mobilization: [FILL IN]
    -[]Plan Focus (+6 dice): Infra/HI
    -[]Spending: 20+15% GNP (+8500R)
    -[]Target: Basic Infrastructure
    -[]Infrastructure Autodice (-10 Infra/-2 Ag dice, -1300R base but modified by steel prices)
    --[]Housing: 7 Infra dice (-700R)
    --[]HSR: Caucasus, 1 Infra die (-160R)
    --[]Rail Electrification: 1 Infra die (-140R)
    --[]Hydroelectric Power: Krasnoyarsk-Irkutsk, 2 Ag + 1 Infra dice (-300R)
    -[]Power Autodice (-5 HI/-1 CI dice, +453 power, -1840R)
    --[]Nuclear Power: 2 HI dice, +38 power from last FYP's program (-640R)
    --[]Coal Power: 2 HI dice, +240 power (-600R)
    --[]Gas Power: 1 HI + 1 CI dice, +175 power (-600R)
    -[]Services Autodice (-7 Services dice, -900R)
    --[]Healthcare: 3 Services dice (-500R)
    --[]Education: 4 Services dice (-400R)
    -[]Total Discretionary pool: 4 FR/6 IN/11 HI/6 LI/5 CI/4 AG/3 SR with 4460R

    1970-72: +85 hydro power
    1973: +60 hydro power
    1974: +105 hydro power

    Average of +85 hydro power/year across the FYP should keep us in the black on electricity even with an HI focus generating more than the base demand that autodice cover, especially since we have a decent buffer to start.

    The steel discount would also give us an extra +220R from autodice discounts as long as we can keep it, which would help out with the budget situation early. The one thing that looks kinda shaky to me in this plan is being able to reliably fund 11 HI dice for the first few years, it works out so that our average dice cost has to be 120R to start.

    We can probably make it work by spending less than 120RpD in Infra/LI/Ag/Services, especially once our income grows some more as we drill for oil/do profitable projects/enterprises grow. Just 1970 and 1971 will probably involve a lot of coal mining/similar cheap HI projects, while more expensive things like automobile plants and more CNC tooling will get pushed back to 1972-74.

    This is fine for the Basic Infrastructure target I think, but if we want to do the High Technology target then 25% central funding is pretty much required. So the two paths forward that I favor are either a conservative and population-focused Basic Infra plan like the one outlined above, or a riskier High Technology target that goes up to 25+15% and risks disaster if something breaks with an overheated economy but will push our industrial edge higher.

    Basically do we want to gamble on the oil crisis not happening until the late 70s to catch up to the West faster/maintain HI competitiveness, or do we want to play it safe and accept that we're going to need another generation to slowly close the gap but not expose ourselves to supply shock vulnerability as much?
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    I think we should definitely do ESA now. Would High Technology synergize with it, you think?
     
    Alright here's a prototype plan I've working on for a HI-Services 9th 5y Plan to tackle the service transition with a Minister who's better at Services, at the same time as taking decisive action on the problems of healthcare and education, while keeping up with ongoing computerization, and grabbing Atommash.

    I say prototype because I'm fairly sure there's no way the thread is going to accept only 2 dice in Infra before free dice, but I'm not sure what to cut yet. I suppose if we get all 4 dice from ESA and lock them as free dice we never take out of infra, or maybe just infra dice, we could probably get through a plan with 6 "infra" dice plus whatever other free dice we could put into it from year to year. But that assumes we get all 4 dice from ESA when it's listed as "probable."

    This leaves us with 6,240 RpY after all autodice costs right now, and assuming we get the most dice possible from ESA that comes out to needing an average RpD of 141 to fully activate all 44 dice. Which should easily be possible since a lot of stuff doesn't seem to go above 120, and the second largest dice selection is Services with RpD generally sitting at around 80-110 it feel like. So all that extra average RpD can go to feeding the expensive HI dice.

    In terms of Electricity per year, between the dams from last year finishing up at the start of this plan, the VVER-500s running this entire plan, 415 from the coal and gas alone, and the new dams picking up partway through the plan we won't be dropping below +521 Electricity a turn at the lowest point in 1974. Which is good since we need that extra above the 450 mark to feed that HI focus, average Electricity per turn is +538 or 88 above the benchmark.

    1970-71: +536
    1972: +561
    1973: +536
    1974: +521

    [] Plan: Slap that Service Transition Button
    -[]ESA:
    -[]Heavy Industry:
    -[]Services:
    -[]25+15% GNP:
    -[]High Technology Industries:
    -[]Housing Construction Efforts(Selection Required):
    --[]5 Infrastructure Dice:
    -[]Rail Electrification:
    --[]1 Infrastructure Dice:
    -[]Hydroelectric Power:
    --[]Dnieper Reservoir System:
    --[]Krasnoyarsk-Irkutsk Hydroelectric Zone:
    -[]Power Plant Construction(Nuclear VVER-500/1000):
    --[]2 Heavy Industry Die: (VVER)
    -[]Power Plant Construction(CPSC):
    --[]2 Heavy Industry Dice: (CPSC)
    -[]Power Plant Construction(CCGT):
    --[]1 Heavy and 1 Chemical Industry Dice:
    -[]Healthcare:
    --[]3 Services Dice:
    -[]Education Expansions:
    --[]4 Services Dice:

    4 FR/2 IN/10 HI/6 LI/5 CI/4 AG/9 SR, +up to 4 dice ESA. 6,240 RpY over ~42-44 dice: 148-141 RpD average.
     
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