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[X] Plan Consumers All-In v2
Attempting to Fulfill the Plan MNKh Edition
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Chimeraguard
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Beyogi
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Thank you. So the plans are basically identical except one seems to have one more dice on agrarian stuff. And the question is who is to blame.
Ugh really hard decision on whom to blame. Not sure that Glushkov dude is really that good a leader, on the other hand it'd probably be useful to get rocketry out of the hands of the army.
Ugh really hard decision on whom to blame. Not sure that Glushkov dude is really that good a leader, on the other hand it'd probably be useful to get rocketry out of the hands of the army.
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Way back when we started Blackstar just short of confirmed that the space plane program would veeeery overrun its nominal 1960 completion date. Seems the dice have smiled on it. For now at least. The plane still hasn't even flown let along gone to space yet after all.
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He is. The more pressing point is that replacing Glushko by anyone else will inevitably lead to disruption of the program at the time Americans already beat us to first milestone of the emerging space race because of conflicting ideas of designers. Korolev, who is the best choice for scientific-oriented program, in particular hates hypergolics, which OTL caused conflict of him with Glushko over moon program rocket, causing one of the main factors that doomed Soviet moon program.
It would depend on how hard the army is hit if Voz gets it done correctly we will keep all the funding and have no obligation to build missils from them if he does it badly we will lose some funding but most likely still get out of our partnership
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Did the MNKh not lose a lot of its internal political power after malenkov was sacked and Mikoyan retired? Does The Voz have any actual influence in the goverment? Or atleast enough to pull influence away from the army (who one could assume is pretty influencial, you know being The Army an all)
Also how do you quote other people, i still cant figure that out.
Also how do you quote other people, i still cant figure that out.
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The Technocrats gained seats in the SupSov elections, and Voz successfully realigned his faction, so he has a tight grip on it. Furthermore, the Army is at its weakest politically it ever has iirc (not 100% sure if ever, but its very weak anyway), and Kos has already taken a swing at it. Voz is the second most powerful man in the USSR right now, by dint of his position as head of MNKh and the fact he is playing King maker for Kos.
Kos did chop off some parts of our department IIRC but it isn't just our department he is after he wants everything reformed including the army so i would bet he wouldn't oppose our naked power grab. And you quote people by highligting the text you want to qoute and then clicking quote and it will automatically be put into your text felt
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Thank you so much.
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The Kos should want to weaken us to keep control and if the cost of weakening us is to strengthen an already weak area of the government, to me it seems like a win-win for him to try and deny us rocketry.
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Can he afford to piss us off though if we're the kingmaker? He's already taken some bits from our department, he isn't strong enough politically to make us a enemy
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So will The Kos make that gamble? Thats the question isnt it. Despite my inquiry I dont think he will, but its better to consider it a possibility than discount it entirely.
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No? Like, he is not The Enemy. We cooperate because we are more palatable to coalition than the Conservatives or Stalinists, he is not going to fuck us over without very good reason. The only time he ever did so was to detach Gosbank from our purview, which was a good thing tbh, and that was before he needed us to stay in government as well, in totally different circumstances. We are nominal allies. He also doesn't want to strengthen the Army at our expense, he is the one who sacked Malinovsky and put in a MoD with few political connections.
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That's a relief. Say, did the agrichemicals from last plan also count as CapGoods? We'll probably be building those anyway for the food target and for resources, I wonder if we could double-dip (or triple-dip if the new crops also count as consoom)?
On a more shitposty note given the amount of earth-moving we gotta do something I can imagine the soviet workers singing at the bar:
We dig dig dig dig dig dig dig in our mine the whole day through
To dig dig dig dig dig dig dig is what we really like to do
It's our trick to get steel quick,
While we dig dig dig for copper or bauxite
With every mine! (Every mine!) With every mile! (Every mile!)
A million workers smile!
We dig dig dig dig dig dig dig from early morn till night
We dig dig dig dig dig dig dig up every mount in sight
We're digging dams by the score
A thousand metros, sometimes more
We all know what we're digging for so
We dig dig dig a-dig dig
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I am pretty sure fertilizer is a capgood yeah. And if we invest in it we will bulldoze over our meh Agri goals, Voz is underestimating the effects of the Green revolution. It is doubling yields through chemicalization iirc
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Non-Canon Omake: SONG OF THE SEWER
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SONG OF THE SEWER. THE
Lyrics and music by Art Carney, Matt Dubey and Harold Karr
Art Carney with the Sid Feller Orchestra
I work in the sewer; it's a very hard job.
You know they don't hire just any old slob.
You don't have to wear a tie or a coat ...
You just have to know how to float.
(Chorus)
We sing the song of the sewer!
Of the sewer we sing this song:
Together we stand with shovel in hand
To keep things rollin' along.
I work down the manhole with a guy named Bruce,
And we are in charge of all the refuse.
He lets me go first while he holds the lid.
I'm telling you, sheesh... what a sweet kid.
(Chorus)
We sing the song of the sewer!
Of the sewer we sing this song:
Together we stand with shovel in hand
To keep things rollin' along.
(Oo-oo Oo-oo Oo-oo-Oo-oo)
A funny thing happened to Bruce yesterday ...
The tide came along; he got carried away.
He come out in Jersey, but it's okay now,
'Cause that's where he lives anyhow.
(Chorus)
We sing the song of the sewer!
Of the sewer we sing this song:
Together we stand with shovel in hand
To keep things rollin' along.
My father, he worked in the sewer Uptown.
I followed his footsteps, and worked my way down.
That's how I began in this here industry ...
I just sort of fell into it.
Sheesh, lucky me!
(Chorus)
We sing the song of the sewer!
Of the sewer we sing this song:
Together we stand with shovel in hand
To keep things rollin' along.
Lyrics and music by Art Carney, Matt Dubey and Harold Karr
Art Carney with the Sid Feller Orchestra
I work in the sewer; it's a very hard job.
You know they don't hire just any old slob.
You don't have to wear a tie or a coat ...
You just have to know how to float.
(Chorus)
We sing the song of the sewer!
Of the sewer we sing this song:
Together we stand with shovel in hand
To keep things rollin' along.
I work down the manhole with a guy named Bruce,
And we are in charge of all the refuse.
He lets me go first while he holds the lid.
I'm telling you, sheesh... what a sweet kid.
(Chorus)
We sing the song of the sewer!
Of the sewer we sing this song:
Together we stand with shovel in hand
To keep things rollin' along.
(Oo-oo Oo-oo Oo-oo-Oo-oo)
A funny thing happened to Bruce yesterday ...
The tide came along; he got carried away.
He come out in Jersey, but it's okay now,
'Cause that's where he lives anyhow.
(Chorus)
We sing the song of the sewer!
Of the sewer we sing this song:
Together we stand with shovel in hand
To keep things rollin' along.
My father, he worked in the sewer Uptown.
I followed his footsteps, and worked my way down.
That's how I began in this here industry ...
I just sort of fell into it.
Sheesh, lucky me!
(Chorus)
We sing the song of the sewer!
Of the sewer we sing this song:
Together we stand with shovel in hand
To keep things rollin' along.
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I wonder if Voz has read this report from the conclusion of the first plan.
Curous what trends he would notice with the current state of things.
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Given where we're at, the services we're automating, and the amount of CONSOOM we're now obligated to produce this plan, I think we have a good chance of becoming an actually developed nation by 1970. Gonna look real good on Voz and Kosygin's legacy I bet, if we manage to go 10 years without blowing anything up. Hopefully we'll put a man on the moon by then too. Still, come the seventies it's the era of automation, labor surplus, transition to a service economy, and industry offshoring. So Voz's successors are going to have an interesting time handling that. Hopefully by then we'll at least have enough money coming in that we can really splurge on some fancy space projects at least.
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Is inherently a problem of market economies, where corporations are independent from government and can choose in which country they would operate. We may not develop low-tech labour-intensive industries further and in that sense only "offshore" them as if rely on less developed countries (though some home capability is always needed, to have the ability to quickly restart these industries in case something happens with our trade partners and therefore be politically independent from them), but a state never would actually offshore anything as it by definition runs directly counter to its interests.
It all comes down to priorities, whether we as voters decide to ignore science in favor of direct QoL or otherwise. I don't see thread ever going for first with our rocketry history tbh. Also the same divide would be reflected in-universe, and fancier projects would have to fight resistance of state and party.
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[X] Plan Consumers All-In v2
-[X]Blame Malenkov and the Army
-[X]60% Increase in MFPG Production Value
-[X]20% Increase in Capital Goods Production Value
-[X]150% Increase in Consumer Goods Production Value
-[X]30% Increase in Agricultural Sector Production Value
-[X]Housing Construction Efforts
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-[X]Hydroelectric Power
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-[X]Power Plant Construction(CCGT)
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-[X]Rural Modernization Programs
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-[X]Healthcare Expansion
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-[X]Education Expansion
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Back to regularly scheduled updates, sorry for the delay in calling the vote; I was in a hospital for a few days.
[X] Plan Consumers All-In v2
-[X]Blame Malenkov and the Army
-[X]60% Increase in MFPG Production Value
-[X]20% Increase in Capital Goods Production Value
-[X]150% Increase in Consumer Goods Production Value
-[X]30% Increase in Agricultural Sector Production Value
-[X]Housing Construction Efforts
--[X]7 Dice
-[X]Hydroelectric Power
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-[X]Power Plant Construction(CCGT)
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-[X]Rural Modernization Programs
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-[X]Healthcare Expansion
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-[X]Education Expansion
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Back to regularly scheduled updates, sorry for the delay in calling the vote; I was in a hospital for a few days.