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Are Si prices under non-ferrous?
High grade silicon is essential for both microchip and solar cells. Having a under-invested Si production may cause problems for our plans.
And if we manage to produce good microchips, then mono-crystaline solar cells are basically the same process, only bigger, and not as clean and precise.
High grade silicon is essential for both microchip and solar cells. Having a under-invested Si production may cause problems for our plans.
And if we manage to produce good microchips, then mono-crystaline solar cells are basically the same process, only bigger, and not as clean and precise.
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Too specialty of a material for me to track it as a composite index, non-ferrous is mostly a set of additives alongside aluminum/copper/lead to avoid having to track too too many things. Generally you'll just do ultra-pure silicon as a component of any fabrication process more so then as a discrete program.
Cannon Omake: Made in Soviet Union: The training of African national liberation movement forces in the Soviet Union
Terminator57
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While we're on the subject of proxies with the new international rolls, here's an omake on the formation of African proxies. This omake is called "Made in Soviet Union: The training of African national liberation movement forces in the Soviet Union" and I hope you will enjoy it.
The creation of paramilitary training facilities in the Soviet Union can be traced back to the Great Patriotic War, when the Soviet regime trained and armed a number of paramilitaries to fight facism. Among the units formed in this way were two Polish armies, a Czechoslovak army corps, two Romanian divisions, Yugoslav infantry and armored brigades, and dozens of other units and subdivisions.
With decolonization and the emergence of potential new allies on the African continent, these installations were given a new lease of life. In fact, from the middle of the 20th century, the USSR began granting large-scale military and military-technical aid to the newly independent states on the African continent, with Angola, Somalia and later Ethiopia being the main beneficiaries. Other African countries such as Congo, Guinea-Bissau, Cape Verde, Guinea, Mozambique and Mali were also among the recipients of this aid, which included weapons and technical equipment as well as military training.
In 1947, 21 military academies and institutes, 27 military schools, 30 officer training courses and officer training colleges, plus 4 higher education establishments for the navy's fleet, were responsible for preparing foreign military personnel. The various training courses were aimed at states that were already independent as well as those still under colonial yoke, socialist-oriented states as well as those, such as Senegal, whose societal choices were openly liberal. This all-out support for colonial forces was in line with the Mikoyan orientation of Soviet diplomacy, which consisted in backing all forces opposed to the European colonial powers, regardless of the degree of orthodoxy they displayed towards Soviet Marxism, both in their doctrines of struggle and in their political projects.
Thus, when movements for national independence emerged in sub-Saharan Africa in the late 1950s, the Soviet Union sided with the leaders of movements which, while committed to anti-colonial struggles, sought to promote the construction of a "classless society without individual property".
Following the change in the Soviet Union's diplomatic orientation to an offensive diplomacy of support for communist movements with the aim of bringing African communist movements to power, and the proclamation of the creation of the EAF in 1964, the Soviet Union strengthened its presence on the African continent, and endeavored to establish diversified relations - diplomatic, commercial, social and cultural - with each of the African countries that proclaimed their independence. What's more, compared to the Kosyginian orientation between 1957 and 1964, which could be described as a "fait accompli orientation" (consisting of providing multifaceted aid after the Communist regime had come to power on its own), this approach is more proactive and voluntarist in bringing about brotherly regimes in Africa.
This was reflected in a strengthening of the training capacities of liberation forces. New higher education establishments are being set up, including the Military Infantry School in Odessa, the Military Air School and the Center for Aeronautical Technical Personnel of the Military Air Forces in Frounze, the Perevalnoe Teaching Center-165 in Crimea, centers for the preparation and advanced training of artillery operators for air defense and crews of small boats and vessels of the military naval fleet,etc.
The study centers where foreign students, including Africans, received their military training were scattered throughout the country, and were located mainly on the periphery: in Siberia, the Far East, Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan, Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan.
To illustrate the contribution of these training centers to the training of revolutionary forces on the African continent, we'll take a closer look at the Perevalnoe Teaching Center-165. Established in the Crimea in 1965, in accordance with the "Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples" adopted by the un General Assembly in 1960, Teaching Center-165 Perevalnoe, located near the town of the same name, 21 kilometers from the Simferopol-Alouchta road, was the first to welcome fighters from national liberation movements and African parties: the African Party for the Independence of Guinea-Bissau and the Cape Verde Islands, paigc, the South-West African People's Organization swapo (Namibia), the Union of African People of Zimbabwe (Southern Rhodesia/Zimbabwe), the Popular Movement for the Liberation of Angola (MPLA), the Mozambique Liberation Front, frelimo and the African National Congress (ANC).
In response to the large influx of students, in 1970 Perevalnoe was transformed into the Simferopol Unified Military School, with the aim of training not just partisans for revolutionary paramilitary groups, but also cadres for future national armies, or at least those with a good understanding of modern warfare.
However, before training the Center's students militarily and politically, the Soviets first had to resolve the language issue. African students often had little understanding of the languages of their metropolis, if they didn't simply speak the dialect of their respective tribes. Not to mention speaking or writing Russian, the language of their teachers. To this end, preparatory courses to study Russian and the fundamentals of military preparation were set up, along with a sufficiently dense corps of translators and teaching materials translated into foreign languages. In addition, preparatory faculties for foreign servicemen were set up in January 1948, where chairs of Russian as a foreign language were created and special military preparation was carried out at the same time as foreign servicemen studied Russian.
In the curriculum for liberation fighters, time was set aside for political preparation, in keeping with the idea of awakening in students a spirit of equality and justice, and the certainty of the righteousness of the cause they were serving. The aim was to familiarize Africans with the theory of Marxism-Leninism and the history of world revolutionary movements.
Training operations were organized in the mountains, in the forest, at sea or on rivers. Students learned how to make and use explosives, seize arms depots, organize diversions at power stations and military sites, storm buildings and blow up railroads, raid police stations, kidnap sentries, fire pistols, automatic weapons, machine guns and grenades. At the same time, they were actively studying the tactics and military regulations of colonial armies.
Over the years, thousands of students from Ethiopia, Guinea-Conakry, Madagascar, Mali, Zambia, Tanzania, Congo, Benin and Sao Tomé-et-Principe have been trained here. The best among them subsequently served up to the rank of general in their country's armies, as was the case for the EAF, for example. In 1975, no fewer than 15,000 "specialists with a broad profile" graduated from the Perevalnoe center.
Generally speaking, in the 1960s-1970s, the USSR developed a powerful system of training centers, establishments and academies, where foreign military personnel could receive a wide range of professional training (from guerrilla warfare to political-ideological and socio-psychological training). In this way, the USSR was able to offer a wide range of services to its military personnel.
Excepts from "Training ground: History and development of paramilitary training in the Soviet Union during the wars of decolonization" (1999) by the historian specialized in Cold War counter-insurgency conflicts Richard Fleicher
With decolonization and the emergence of potential new allies on the African continent, these installations were given a new lease of life. In fact, from the middle of the 20th century, the USSR began granting large-scale military and military-technical aid to the newly independent states on the African continent, with Angola, Somalia and later Ethiopia being the main beneficiaries. Other African countries such as Congo, Guinea-Bissau, Cape Verde, Guinea, Mozambique and Mali were also among the recipients of this aid, which included weapons and technical equipment as well as military training.
In 1947, 21 military academies and institutes, 27 military schools, 30 officer training courses and officer training colleges, plus 4 higher education establishments for the navy's fleet, were responsible for preparing foreign military personnel. The various training courses were aimed at states that were already independent as well as those still under colonial yoke, socialist-oriented states as well as those, such as Senegal, whose societal choices were openly liberal. This all-out support for colonial forces was in line with the Mikoyan orientation of Soviet diplomacy, which consisted in backing all forces opposed to the European colonial powers, regardless of the degree of orthodoxy they displayed towards Soviet Marxism, both in their doctrines of struggle and in their political projects.
Thus, when movements for national independence emerged in sub-Saharan Africa in the late 1950s, the Soviet Union sided with the leaders of movements which, while committed to anti-colonial struggles, sought to promote the construction of a "classless society without individual property".
Following the change in the Soviet Union's diplomatic orientation to an offensive diplomacy of support for communist movements with the aim of bringing African communist movements to power, and the proclamation of the creation of the EAF in 1964, the Soviet Union strengthened its presence on the African continent, and endeavored to establish diversified relations - diplomatic, commercial, social and cultural - with each of the African countries that proclaimed their independence. What's more, compared to the Kosyginian orientation between 1957 and 1964, which could be described as a "fait accompli orientation" (consisting of providing multifaceted aid after the Communist regime had come to power on its own), this approach is more proactive and voluntarist in bringing about brotherly regimes in Africa.
This was reflected in a strengthening of the training capacities of liberation forces. New higher education establishments are being set up, including the Military Infantry School in Odessa, the Military Air School and the Center for Aeronautical Technical Personnel of the Military Air Forces in Frounze, the Perevalnoe Teaching Center-165 in Crimea, centers for the preparation and advanced training of artillery operators for air defense and crews of small boats and vessels of the military naval fleet,etc.
The study centers where foreign students, including Africans, received their military training were scattered throughout the country, and were located mainly on the periphery: in Siberia, the Far East, Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan, Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan.
To illustrate the contribution of these training centers to the training of revolutionary forces on the African continent, we'll take a closer look at the Perevalnoe Teaching Center-165. Established in the Crimea in 1965, in accordance with the "Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples" adopted by the un General Assembly in 1960, Teaching Center-165 Perevalnoe, located near the town of the same name, 21 kilometers from the Simferopol-Alouchta road, was the first to welcome fighters from national liberation movements and African parties: the African Party for the Independence of Guinea-Bissau and the Cape Verde Islands, paigc, the South-West African People's Organization swapo (Namibia), the Union of African People of Zimbabwe (Southern Rhodesia/Zimbabwe), the Popular Movement for the Liberation of Angola (MPLA), the Mozambique Liberation Front, frelimo and the African National Congress (ANC).
In response to the large influx of students, in 1970 Perevalnoe was transformed into the Simferopol Unified Military School, with the aim of training not just partisans for revolutionary paramilitary groups, but also cadres for future national armies, or at least those with a good understanding of modern warfare.
However, before training the Center's students militarily and politically, the Soviets first had to resolve the language issue. African students often had little understanding of the languages of their metropolis, if they didn't simply speak the dialect of their respective tribes. Not to mention speaking or writing Russian, the language of their teachers. To this end, preparatory courses to study Russian and the fundamentals of military preparation were set up, along with a sufficiently dense corps of translators and teaching materials translated into foreign languages. In addition, preparatory faculties for foreign servicemen were set up in January 1948, where chairs of Russian as a foreign language were created and special military preparation was carried out at the same time as foreign servicemen studied Russian.
In the curriculum for liberation fighters, time was set aside for political preparation, in keeping with the idea of awakening in students a spirit of equality and justice, and the certainty of the righteousness of the cause they were serving. The aim was to familiarize Africans with the theory of Marxism-Leninism and the history of world revolutionary movements.
Training operations were organized in the mountains, in the forest, at sea or on rivers. Students learned how to make and use explosives, seize arms depots, organize diversions at power stations and military sites, storm buildings and blow up railroads, raid police stations, kidnap sentries, fire pistols, automatic weapons, machine guns and grenades. At the same time, they were actively studying the tactics and military regulations of colonial armies.
Over the years, thousands of students from Ethiopia, Guinea-Conakry, Madagascar, Mali, Zambia, Tanzania, Congo, Benin and Sao Tomé-et-Principe have been trained here. The best among them subsequently served up to the rank of general in their country's armies, as was the case for the EAF, for example. In 1975, no fewer than 15,000 "specialists with a broad profile" graduated from the Perevalnoe center.
Generally speaking, in the 1960s-1970s, the USSR developed a powerful system of training centers, establishments and academies, where foreign military personnel could receive a wide range of professional training (from guerrilla warfare to political-ideological and socio-psychological training). In this way, the USSR was able to offer a wide range of services to its military personnel.
Excepts from "Training ground: History and development of paramilitary training in the Soviet Union during the wars of decolonization" (1999) by the historian specialized in Cold War counter-insurgency conflicts Richard Fleicher
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Our average roll in Infra was 32. Ouch. Next turn'll be just the same actions again I guess.
@Blackstar question I was gonna pose before you ninja'd me with the update: Do any of our current or planned High Speed Rail projects link to the city of Perm? It's a big city, and we built a bunch of mining stuff there. A spur to Perm off of the Kazan-Sverdlovsk line seems it would be useful, but the description of the Ural rail route from Klimenko's option in the 9th plan makes no mention of it.
Also thank you for including the infopost snapshot, that will help future readers going through the backlog.
@Blackstar question I was gonna pose before you ninja'd me with the update: Do any of our current or planned High Speed Rail projects link to the city of Perm? It's a big city, and we built a bunch of mining stuff there. A spur to Perm off of the Kazan-Sverdlovsk line seems it would be useful, but the description of the Ural rail route from Klimenko's option in the 9th plan makes no mention of it.
Also thank you for including the infopost snapshot, that will help future readers going through the backlog.
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It cuts through Perm as the northern branch of the line with a few interlinks between the North and South lines. The entire project then ends at Omsk from where the far Eastern connection would be construed.
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OK That helps, I assumed the northern branch from Kazan was further south, through Sarapul. Re:interlinks, I understood there to be two , one through Ufa to Orenburg and one through Chelyabinsk to Kostenay. Is that exhaustive?
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Southern branch I think cuts up from further south then you are thinking of, its Samara-Ufa-Chelyabinsk with it running further across the primary inhabited corridor with a small cross-over into the Kazakh SSR nearer to Omsk.
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Huh. Klimenko's description mentioned a Saratov-Uralsk-Orenburg-Orsk line, did Balakirev shift the whole project northwards and decide the Southern Urals region belongs to a separate project?
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Yep, mostly to make travel from Moscow more efficient for when the lines are expanded further, saving Southward bound ones for CA and building the network out that way.
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Ok, thank you! That will give a denser network in the long term, but man that is going to make the Central Asia HSR itself one massive project, almost on par with the original West Russia project.
@Blackstar i can't remember if this has been answered but does Bala's HSR plans differ from Klims in any way as he is the rural guy or did he just rubber stamp Klim's plan amd then put his own name on it
Cannon Omake: Made in Soviet Union: HSR Map up to 1979
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After some chatter with @Blackstar on Discord to confirm Ural details I've readied the new map of our HSR network. The Ural crossings aren't exactly where the map suggests them, but I do not intend to show the gritty details of how the track curves around terrain features.
After the completion of the West Russian High Passenger Rail Network under Voznesensky, rail expansion was put on the backburner for almost a decade while the ministry worked to remedy the abysmal quality of the Soviet Union's road network. With this objective largely completed by 1970, the ministry was free to return to the high speed rail project. This started with a minor expansion to the western network, extending it to north-eastern cities and south to the rapidly growing machine-building center of Sevastopol. This included an impressive bridge over the Kerch strait linking it to Krasnodar.
In 1975 a larger expansion into the Ural region began. The new minister Balakirev radically altered plans made by his predecessor Klimenko: More northern cities west of the Urals were incorporated while the southern line was moved north. This permitted a network density comparable to the West Russian network at the cost of excluding the Southern Urals region, which was slated to be incorporated into a broader Central Asian project. Balakirev initially desired that the Ural project extend to Novosibirsk, but the massive cost of grading and tunneling through the mighty Ural mountains limite the project's reach to Omsk if a reasonable resource and personnel allocation was to be kept.
After the completion of the West Russian High Passenger Rail Network under Voznesensky, rail expansion was put on the backburner for almost a decade while the ministry worked to remedy the abysmal quality of the Soviet Union's road network. With this objective largely completed by 1970, the ministry was free to return to the high speed rail project. This started with a minor expansion to the western network, extending it to north-eastern cities and south to the rapidly growing machine-building center of Sevastopol. This included an impressive bridge over the Kerch strait linking it to Krasnodar.
In 1975 a larger expansion into the Ural region began. The new minister Balakirev radically altered plans made by his predecessor Klimenko: More northern cities west of the Urals were incorporated while the southern line was moved north. This permitted a network density comparable to the West Russian network at the cost of excluding the Southern Urals region, which was slated to be incorporated into a broader Central Asian project. Balakirev initially desired that the Ural project extend to Novosibirsk, but the massive cost of grading and tunneling through the mighty Ural mountains limite the project's reach to Omsk if a reasonable resource and personnel allocation was to be kept.
Hm, so we might get a separate Infra project to stretch the line to Novosibirsk if we don't go for Trans-Siberian HSR.
@Blackstar can I ask what our total population is right? Sorry if this comes out of the left field. I am just genuinely curious
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If I'm not wrong, in the ussr there are like 300M-350M
@Bruhmoment thanks for answering
CrabMonarchy
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As of 1973ish in-quest, Soviet population was approximately 370 million, give or take a bit:
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Man no wonder France is sweating bullets when we look in thier direction, you would need a full on strategic nuclear exchange to keep us from reaching the coast of Portugal no matter what they do.
Do we have an exact number for each republic?
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They must have lost their mind when our icebreaker tore through their frigate.
I honestly don't think they would do it if push comes to shove. No one wants to be known as "the great destroyer". We should have used that crisis as an excuse to escalate.
Furthermore, people severely overestimate the destructive power of nukes. 14% of people 1km from Ground Zero survived Hiroshima. Someone survived being less than 200 meters away from ground zero by simply being in a basement. That was in a city made out of wood and literal paper. Bombs are bigger now but our cities are made out of concrete and steel. I also doubt France has that many nukes. A few hundred or maybe a couple thousand at most. Combined with the small size of their country, we could have obliterated their entire stockpile of nuclear weapons or at least a good portion of it with a first strike. With how good the KGB is, we probably already know where they keep them. So we could also minimize civilian casualties.
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@Stormingart That's being really really optimistic about thing. While you are partially correct on the casualties, you're also some what wrong. The buildings being more solid alone doesn't cut it by far, destruction radii for the larger weapons are known and while survivors are quite possible with in... well you should expect gargantuan casualties out to 10 km or so. This is in part that after the initial nukes, a more ideal detonation altitude was found where one can focus more damage in to the destruction wave. And the increase of power was a literal order of magnitude, even concrete isn't amused by that much power increase.
Still the immediate damage isn't the biggest problem, the big problem is that nations operate by the logistical chains and their ability to provide the services the people need to live at these vastly elevated population densities. But is that still really possible when all your major cities have effectively been terminated and now are gargantuan wounds that need all the resources they can get to just stem some of the deaths there? When all your logistical exchange centers were obliterated as they pretty much are all in city cores? When almost all your command and control has ceased to exist? When you can no longer transport food, fuel, people, anything? Can things really work out if all of these all collapse all at the exact same moment, it's not like in wars where you have months or more of adaptation time.
The question as such really becomes if you still have a nation after that initial exchange, or if it is just going to all implode. At the very least the Ministry will cease to exist though, as well as the government, as obviously those will be targeted down. So there certainly won't be a quest.
When you get right down to it, even if 'somehow' you managed to get the nation through that. The nation is ruined, you can no longer compete, you no longer have the ability to resist the nuclear powers out there. And there you just started a nuclear war, they 'will' come for you long before you could put the nation back together, before anyone managed to reset any real semblance of command and control. To make sure you are permanently put down as the danger to the world you are, and of course to make sure any stray nuclear weapons of yours that didn't get used up are properly secured, secured by them. Of course they'll do this in the guise of humanitarian aid, and probably that will be real. But well, it's the end of line really for the nation.
You can game it out in various ways really, but it's not particularly easy to create a scenario where you aren't completely ruined and your neighbors come for you with at least some real level of success. Thus nuclear wars are things you always lose, the winners are the bystanders, who ever they may be. In this particular scenario the most powerful bystander would presumably be the USA, so congrats on handing them the victory I guess.
Still the immediate damage isn't the biggest problem, the big problem is that nations operate by the logistical chains and their ability to provide the services the people need to live at these vastly elevated population densities. But is that still really possible when all your major cities have effectively been terminated and now are gargantuan wounds that need all the resources they can get to just stem some of the deaths there? When all your logistical exchange centers were obliterated as they pretty much are all in city cores? When almost all your command and control has ceased to exist? When you can no longer transport food, fuel, people, anything? Can things really work out if all of these all collapse all at the exact same moment, it's not like in wars where you have months or more of adaptation time.
The question as such really becomes if you still have a nation after that initial exchange, or if it is just going to all implode. At the very least the Ministry will cease to exist though, as well as the government, as obviously those will be targeted down. So there certainly won't be a quest.
When you get right down to it, even if 'somehow' you managed to get the nation through that. The nation is ruined, you can no longer compete, you no longer have the ability to resist the nuclear powers out there. And there you just started a nuclear war, they 'will' come for you long before you could put the nation back together, before anyone managed to reset any real semblance of command and control. To make sure you are permanently put down as the danger to the world you are, and of course to make sure any stray nuclear weapons of yours that didn't get used up are properly secured, secured by them. Of course they'll do this in the guise of humanitarian aid, and probably that will be real. But well, it's the end of line really for the nation.
You can game it out in various ways really, but it's not particularly easy to create a scenario where you aren't completely ruined and your neighbors come for you with at least some real level of success. Thus nuclear wars are things you always lose, the winners are the bystanders, who ever they may be. In this particular scenario the most powerful bystander would presumably be the USA, so congrats on handing them the victory I guess.
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Cold War H-bombs dwarf the Hiroshima/Nagasaki bombs by literal orders of magnitude. A megaton-range nuclear warhead on a major city will kill millions of people. The people who survive the initial exchange will be joined by many more in the following weeks and months from radiation poisoning, famine, cholera, and the like.
A first strike can't destroy every nuclear weapon in France before they can launch. Early-warning radar means at least a few land-based missiles will receive the launch order, and SLBMs will always be able to serve a second strike.
Making that decision means giving up all our population centers and industrial cores (all the work in Moscow, Leningrad, Kiev, Sevastopol, etc. turned to cinders, millions of dead Soviet citizens) for the glory of having our NBC-suited Soviet army troopers shoot starving scavengers in the ashes of Paris.
A first strike can't destroy every nuclear weapon in France before they can launch. Early-warning radar means at least a few land-based missiles will receive the launch order, and SLBMs will always be able to serve a second strike.
Making that decision means giving up all our population centers and industrial cores (all the work in Moscow, Leningrad, Kiev, Sevastopol, etc. turned to cinders, millions of dead Soviet citizens) for the glory of having our NBC-suited Soviet army troopers shoot starving scavengers in the ashes of Paris.
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