Attempting to Fulfill the Plan MNKh Edition

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-[]Plan Focus (+6 dice): Infra/HI
Why Infra/HI?

Infra is called out as already being highly advanced, doesn't seem necessary. Is it so we can get seven dice on housing? Hasn't the chemical industry been described as extremely critical politically and economically? Why not do a chemical focus to pump even more oil? And shouldn't we get started on the services transition and as a corollary stop emphasizing industry?
 
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The negatives of prioritization of the plan outside the acute economic crisis of Gorky come from a lack of housing [and] secondary infrastructure [...] Water systems that are still unexceptional and poor in areas have received little effort for modernization and the housing situation has worsened across the country. More construction is necessary along with far more focus on improving the general infrastructural system across the next plan if the Union is to overtake the West.

Infrastructure is explicitly not in good shape according to Klim's report on the last 5 years, and with manufacturing starting to employ fewer people instead of more people, we're going to need SOMETHING to buy off the masses with that's more satisfying than a minimum wage job slinging shashlik at McStalin's. Nice modern houses and clean drinking water are about the cheapest thing we could reasonably buy off millions of people with.

The HI focus is more up for debate, but continuing growth in energy demand is going to necessitate pretty heavy investments in coal extraction, and the capital goods sector does need more unfucking to stay competitive after Gorky blew it up. Most importantly though, it's required for Atommash, which has been a particularly popular brainworm cause célèbre since the 1930s so I'm pretty sure there would be a riot amongst the brainworms if we didn't do it.
 
I think either energy focus (coming best prepared to oil crisis), which means extraction+chemistry+atommash, or high tech industry, to speedrun computerization.
 
-[]Upper Lena Cascade: The Lena is the strongest and largest river in the Union for its basin's sheer hydro potential. Discounting the more remote segments, the river itself has barely been tapped and much of the population needing to be relocated is in tiny villages across the North, reducing costs. The issue of developing the Lena is that there is very little to be done near the basin and many of the power-demanding applications are located to the South. Developing further barge infrastructure is expected to help allow for some power-intensive production to be localized, but the installations will almost entirely produce aluminum from the secondary ores available to the Union. (3 Infrastructure dice) (-270 RpY Modified by Steel Prices) (+32 Electricity -6 Non-Ferrous per Year) (Completion across 1974-1980)


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edit: Also can we pwetty pwease put two dice on nuclear cores? uwu
 
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I think that 2 dice on nukes is pretty required, not necessarily for the actual power cores so much as the fast reactors and waste processing. I know the key posters in this thread and their opinion on nukes, nuclear power is here to stay no matter what and in all likelihood will continue to see massive investment for the rest of the 20th century. So we might as well invest now in the infrastructure to burn up most of our VVER waste and properly store what we can't, we're looking at building something like 500% or more nuclear power plants than the real USSR did and their waste stream was disastrous enough. If we don't have fast reactors and processing facilities then we're going to just chuck truly obscene amounts of waste in random swamps and call it good enough.
 
I'm honestly against ESA. Putting yet another infra project on the massive backlog isn't something I'm looking forward to, especially since it'd probably be expensive and mean we don't get our new dice immediately, though the later is admittedly only a concern if we go 25%.

Student Cadres would allow us to put +2 Dice on CI, Services and Infra/Agri (depending on if we want to balance out the Ag dice we are taking away for dams)

And it would further encourage the demographic shift inside the party. The political developments have been very encouraging and I'd like to keep pushing in this direction

We don't even know if we'd get 4 Dice from ESA ever. And that they're free doesn't much matter considering that at minimum CI, Services and Infra/Agri definitely need more dice
 
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I suppose if we get all 4 dice from ESA and lock them as free dice we never take out of infra, or maybe just infra dice, we could probably get through a plan with 6 "infra" dice plus whatever other free dice we could put into it from year to year. But that assumes we get all 4 dice from ESA when it's listed as "probable."
My guess is we get 3-4 dice, 2 of which we can put into different sectors and 1-2 free dice. I think a 5-6 infra plan is doable, we only really have to finish CA High Capacity roads to be quite honest, the main things we need to catch up on are water and airports, which we can probably do with those. And its not like the rest of those autodice are idle either. Either way we will have a robust infrastructure program.
we're looking at building something like 500%
I calculated it in the Discord, and by 2015 we will have produced like 800% more electricity than the USSR from nuclear and 175% of global output if we do all three stages. We will be insufferable and incredibly smug when climate change becomes widely recognized.
 
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I'm honestly against ESA. Putting yet another infra project on the massive backlog isn't something I'm looking forward to, especially since it'd probably be expensive and mean we don't get our new dice immediately, though the later is admittedly only a concern if we go 25%.

Student Cadres would allow us to put +2 Dice on CI, Services and Infra/Agri (depending on if we want to balance out the Ag dice we are taking away for dams)

And it would further encourage the demographic shift inside the party. The political developments have been very encouraging and I'd like to keep pushing in this direction

We don't even know if we'd get 4 Dice from ESA ever. And that they're free doesn't much matter considering that at minimum CI, Services and Infra/Agri definitely need more dice
ESA would pay itself off in terms of progress in infra, assuming we finish it in the first turn and conservatively assign 2+1 free dice to the project we then invest in infra, we would still be gaining 336 progress on average, which would pay the program off in terms of how much we can mobilize the sector. If we finish it on the second turn we break even at 252. The main issue imo is whether we want to sacrifice dice in other sectors in order to advance our computational capabilities and lessen pushback for continuing this program the next plan.
 
My guess is we get 3-4 dice, 2 of which we can put into different sectors and 1-2 free dice. I think a 5-6 infra plan is doable, we only really have to finish CA High Capacity roads to be quite honest, the main things we need to catch up on are water and airports, which we can probably do with those. And its not like the rest of those autodice are idle either. Either way we will have a robust infrastructure program.
5 Infra dice from the start could be doable with my plan I think. Drop the Dnieper and ESA to go for either Continue Promotions or Student Cadres with 2 dice in Infra and that's 3 more Infra dice available in 1970 right there.

It would mean we don't get the extra Electricity from that dam or any of the indirect agri benefits it brings, but I think the math works out that it still should be an average of +523 Electricity per turn, +73 over the benchmark, and it won't drop below +500 Electricity except for just barely in the last year of the plan.
 
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Just woke up. Haven't read most other posts yet. Some scattered thoughts:

Student recruitment: I'm not sure if computers are ready for ESA yet, when the models proposed don't have microprocessors even. It's only probably four dice, no more than the Conventional option unless we get lucky and some are free. Expanding the cadres gives us a net -1 dice penalty for two more dice, while getting a bunch of new blood in. I'm leaning towards Expanding. ESA is cool, but I need more reassurance whether it will actually WORK before I push for that modernization.

Whoa the non-ferrous production of the hydroelectric cascades is way down compared to the ones we did last plan. What happened?!? Did Amur and SDAD use up all the practical deposits? If we want to shift the Aluminum price, the Uppwer Lena cascade is the only one worth doing.
@Blackstar The Krasnoyarsk-Irkutsk zone says it can gives us the steel mills. Just to confirm, is that still in place despite us building two Bakchar mills and discovering the deposits are low quality?

INFRA HELL IS BACK, THE RAILS HUNGER! I'm inclined towards a limited approach for now (Caucasus rail, and just one or two dice on electrification of cargo rail) so we can get a few more hydropower cascades finished this plan. Regarding cascades, I'm turn between Lena and Krasnoyarsk-Irkutsk. I want to crash the aluminum market, but we might need the steel and electricity more.
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edit: Also can we pwetty pwease put two dice on nuclear cores? uwu
That mess is what will happen when we do the Lower Lena cascade. Upper Lena is more subdued. As for nuclear, We'll only finish Atomash late in the plan so I don't know how much it can improve things. The structural material of the core will already be laid by then. I figured anything that gets laid down before the commissioning of Atomash will pale in comparison to what will come after, so best to just keep one die on it for now to avoid losing experience.

Given the growth of fuel prices last plan without our intervention was about 5 per turn, having to achieve 20 units production of this plan seems entirely reasonable.

We won't have a services focus so we can't go whole hog on education and services this time, not unless we're OK with having only three dice there. I think two on hospitals (modernizing equipment is critical, and 1 dice does nothing much but make it easier to do elective surgeries) and three on education to get our university system fairly modernized.
 
I am for the ESA mostly because significant political cost thing. We have some political capital to spend so better to spend it here and get the precedent set than attempt to try and implement it later when we may not have political capital to implement it.
 
Basically do we want to gamble on the oil crisis not happening until the late 70s to catch up to the West faster/maintain HI competitiveness, or do we want to play it safe and accept that we're going to need another generation to slowly close the gap but not expose ourselves to supply shock vulnerability as much?
I recall the consensus was that without the Arab-Israeli conflict oilshock won't happen until the eighties or nineties. But then again, consumption ramped up FAST lately and I think those estimate were made before we got a nat 100 that let us push the gas pedal to the floor. I'm confident it's not happening in the early seventies though. And maintaining Heavy Industry competitiveness and avoiding the middle income trap by going high tech is essential. That's high priority.

I think that 2 dice on nukes is pretty required, not necessarily for the actual power cores so much as the fast reactors and waste processing. I know the key posters in this thread and their opinion on nukes, nuclear power is here to stay no matter what and in all likelihood will continue to see massive investment for the rest of the 20th century. So we might as well invest now in the infrastructure to burn up most of our VVER waste and properly store what we can't, we're looking at building something like 500% or more nuclear power plants than the real USSR did and their waste stream was disastrous enough. If we don't have fast reactors and processing facilities then we're going to just chuck truly obscene amounts of waste in random swamps and call it good enough.
The USSR just chucked nuclear waste into random places rather than burying it safely underground? ... Suppose I should have expected that. Why can't we use the reactors we build after Atomash gets built for the waste processing?

I calculated it in the Discord, and by 2015 we will have produced like 800% more electricity than the USSR from nuclear and 175% of global output if we do all three stages. We will be insufferable and incredibly smug when climate change becomes widely recognized.
As in, by TTL 2015 we'll be producing two and three quarters as much nuclear energy as the entire OTL world combined in 2015? And Atomash will have THREE stages? OH MY GOD I AM SO ERECT.

We don't even know if we'd get 4 Dice from ESA ever. And that they're free doesn't much matter considering that at minimum CI, Services and Infra/Agri definitely need more dice
Think of it this way: A free dice can be any dice you want, any time! The flexibility will be useful. But yeah, I suspect we won't get the full four dice. That it seems it will be politically difficult to start this later when we're more prepared technologically is the only reason I'm considering it.
 
Yeah, honestly, paying both dice and resources - and large scale automated system is bound to cost a pretty penny per dice - for a project that gives fewer dice even at its best and has significant political cost is only competitive because of FALGSC brainworms. I don't think we'd lose anything if we delayed it until our computers develop more. But, well, brainworms are a thing, and I suppose there could be a synergy with High Technology Industries target, so I wouldn't be too upset if it wins.
 
Hopefully the increasing prominence of idealistic young students in the ministry will make the political cost of building the ESA lower, rather than higher, in future plans as the old guard ages out.

On the other hand, the ministry is in flux right now and it may be best to strike while the iron is hot (and ASU's success is recent), before the students get too user to their roles and start to fear loosing their jobs to the computers. Fuck, a tough question!
 
The political cost comes from making a lot of positions redundant, something I don't think having less of a old guard will affect, nobody likes having their job being made obsolete. I also really doubt the political cost is going to get lower, in fact, it may get bigger if the technology matures since it will make more positions redundant. Plus, we don't know if the next minister head for next plan will have the political support to tank the political cost. Something I doubt since Klim is in a pretty strong position what with having the backing or support of the biggest players in the supreme soviet and having recently consolidated the ministry under his leadership after the anti-corruption fiasco.
 
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As in, by TTL 2015 we'll be producing two and three quarters as much nuclear energy as the entire OTL world combined in 2015? And Atomash will have THREE stages? OH MY GOD I AM SO ERECT.
Technically, it will have 4, 3 now, and a theoretical 4th stage for a potential oil crisis. Today the total installed capacity is around 2500 Twh worldwide and we would be installing around 4400 Twh so we would ve producing around 175% of what the world produces today. And I was wrong with that 800% figure actually, the former USSR states actually produce like 350-400 Twh, so its more like a 1000-1100% increase over what we historically produced.
I recall the consensus was that without the Arab-Israeli conflict oilshock won't happen until the eighties or nineties.
Yes, but an Iraq-Saudi or Iran-Iraq war can easily happen ttl. Imagine if Iraq does to Saudi Arabia what they did to Kuwait? The largest oil fields in the world would be out of comission, it could be even more devastating than the OTL oil embargo since there it was more an issue of politics and price fixing than the ability to give out supply. And with China and CMEA doing much better economically, oil consumption will be at a much higher treshold and we would struggle to increase production in order to do import substitution.
 
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For the lower ranks, the changes have been far less stark but the generation that came into the ministry under Stalin is all but gone.
GOOD.

The eighth plan itself was built with a strong basis in reviving the service sector and continuing the development of agriculture, both goals that were pursued with the greatest priority. For the former, strong investments in direct population-facing service applications predominated spending as employment increased alongside improving standards of living. Trucking has steadily gone from a small industry to a major economic juggernaut critical for the operation of many enterprises with general consulting services accessible if still expensive. With the strong associated increase in funding the plan further accomplished a massive expansion of both education and childcare, preparing the next generation better than any before it.
this was I think the plan with the most focus on actual quality of life for people, so all in all it went really well.

and yeah, trucking (and roads) should help our economic growth significantly in the next plan too.

Infrastructure funding was refocused on the road crisis as the situation reached a pivotal and unmanageable point for political thinking. This only continued through the plan as all programs were pushed toward ensuring the development of transportation infrastructure. Control of waters across the Amur and Central Asia has improved water access for millions with further developments likely to only continue to improve the local situation. With the crossing of the Urals and a new canal route built, the coal crisis of the last decade has finally been solved. More mines still need to be developed to ship enough coal West but it is no longer an existential crisis with no means to address it.
Maybe we should go for an infrastructure heavy plan for the probably last plan with relatively low labour costs? As mentioned before we can't nor shouldn't keep wages down for much longer, but managing to finish most of the new road system before they go up would help us save a decent amount of budget I think.

Rural development and agriculture more broadly have seen some of the largest changes in yields across the nation. The introduction of hybridized dwarf wheat crossbreeding for harsher conditions has increased yields and fertilizer uptake massively with the shorter growing season allowing far more reliable harvests. Further, the increase in mechanization and the size of the small family farm have accompanied an improvement in labor efficiency and production. The area under tillage technically shrank across the plan but the production of basic commodities strongly increased. The provision of additional machinery and the maturity of the chemical industry further contributed to a strong growth tendency, allowing agriculture to steadily become a quasi-revenue-gaining sector.
mh... when do fertilizers and pesticides become too much? Generally speaking they've been immensely useful, but I think there's been some talk of scaling them down at some point?

The negatives of prioritization of the plan outside the acute economic crisis of Gorky come from a lack of housing, secondary infrastructure, and a focus on long-term development. The educational system built through the plan will deliver massive gains in the long-term performance of the Union but labor prices have rapidly gone up and the increase in education has temporarily limited the graduation of educated labor. Water systems that are still unexceptional and poor in areas have received little effort for modernization and the housing situation has worsened across the country. More construction is necessary along with far more focus on improving the general infrastructural system across the next plan if the Union is to overtake the West.
so more housing, more roads, more water, more healthcare... the usual, really.

education will take some time to pay us back, as will a lot of this... but we're actually in a decent position now, and can afford to invest in those things in preparation for labour costs going up.

[]ESA: Computational performance on the enterprise level has continued to perform above the expected bound with the automatization of significant quantities of secretary work providing an increased capacity. Focusing on a new automated system of governmental control will eliminate a massive number of previously redundant positions and allow for the rapid computation of numbers. Current Erbrus units are already sufficient for much of the work required with further efforts focused on improved machines and microelectronic terminals. This will shift some positions and eliminate some lower-ranked redundant personnel through new hires, keeping the ministry leaner and more organized. (250 Progress Infra Project) (Probable Gain of Four Dice(can be free dice)) (Significant Political Cost)

[]Continue Conventional Promotions: Promoting students to the point that they can be educated and trained by more experienced personnel is going to be essential to maintaining the state of the ministry. Current long-service personnel have effectively already trained a mass of incoming juniors and to a large extent, the ministry has recovered from the deficits of the sixties. Bringing in new personnel can be done in a measured fashion, avoiding disruption and continuing a steady expansion of governmental capacity. (Gain of Four Dice, Determined Next Turn and you Cannot put more than two in one category)

[]Expand the Student Cadres: There is not a shortage of students who have taken experienced positions doing key economic consulting work for enterprises along with a bevy of engineers who have each pushed through their technical tasks. Hiring them into the ministry will to an extent dilute experience but it will ensure that more trained and more technical personnel continue to be hired. As an added advantage the rotation of cadres and the inclusion of more students is expected to continue the consolidation of control away from the old guard with more reliable and generally better-educated youths. (Gain of Six Dice, Determined Next Turn and you Cannot put more than two in one category) (-2 Experience bonus, +1 Economics Education) (Eventual Political Gains)
I'm unsure between ESA and Expand.

it's basically "less hiring, more computerization" or "hire more to later remove the old fossils", right?

I don't really care about the number of dice here, but more about the narrative consequences.

[]Infrastructure:. The massive strides made in the last plan towards bringing the Union's road system out of the past and developing to a point over all but the most advanced capitalist powers has greatly accelerated the economy but far more can be done. Continuing the drive towards improving the state of general infrastructure by concentrating efforts on it can produce massive results and continue to serve both private and state industrial development. The sector itself has yet to run out of low-cost projects but several more ambitious ones have already been proposed. (+6 IN Dice) (Required for Reversal of Northern Rivers, Baikal-Amur Line, and Basic Infrastructure Target)

[]Heavy Industry: The previous plans since Malenkov's failure have discouraged investment into the conventional industry in favor of the development of consumer-facing production. Work now however must be done to address the shortage of electronics integration, lower technology machinery using numerical control, and the integration of computing into the production process. Initial electronic systems have built a basis but far more can be done to automate the factory floor. Further, with new innovative techniques any semblance of an energy crisis can be solved through strong capital investment and innovative atomic technologies. (+6 HI Dice) (Required for Modernization of Tooling Supplies, Atomash, and the High Technology Industries Target)

[]Services: Services have delivered considerable returns for the funding invested into the sector as the mobilization of the population has continued. Providing basic childcare alone has massively contributed towards increasing the number of workers available and the quality of life of mothers. Further programs will be focused on extending the development of current services along with ensuring a universal extent of availability. Further, distribution programs can be extended into the countryside to allow for specialty goods to be shipped to end users rather than kept in stockpiles. (+6 SR Dice) (Required for Logistical Integration, Labor Reserve Educational Mobilization, and State services partnerships)
It looks to me like Heavy Industry and Infrastructure are currently the most important sectors.

We need more roads, more energy, we wanted to go relatively heavy on nuclear and high tech...

I could be convinced to go Service in place of one of the above though.

[]20+20% GNP: Increasing the rate of spending for enterprises and ensuring that managers can have the largest possible degree of initiative will leave the largest effect on modernization. The economy is in an important transitional period and providing as much funding as possible for it will produce strong growth. The machine industry can be focused on in the state sector all while demand increases in the enterprises' relentless drive for modernization. The political risks of the strategy are immense, especially since enterprises may push to maintain the level of funding. Further increasing capital expenditure also poses risks and may lead to instability and lagging growth in later plans. (8200 RpY)
I'm leaning towards this I think, if we can deal with the political risks mentioned therein.

the 25% options seem to expensive/risky, and the enterprises WOULD benefit from some help right now...

[]Basic Infrastructure: Abandoning chasing high targets and focusing on the population is an understandable deviation from conventional approaches and one that may be necessary. The previous plan has massively expanded employment and economic turnover with the one before that arguably more extreme. Instead of chasing growth to the largest extent possible, the nation can instead focus on the development of housing and transportation to enable future growth. The size of the Union leaves transport expensive and extraction is only growing further from the industrial base. A massive housing program alone can also finally deliver on the promise of universal apartments for all, improving population growth and contentedness. (35% MFPG, 30% Capital Goods, 40% Consumer Goods, 20% Agricultural, and 50% Service Sector Valuation Increase) (7 Housing Dice 1 HSR, and 1 electrification Dice Required)
I think this is my favourite. it obviously requires an infra focus, but I think we were doing that anyway, and we ARE still behind on both housing and roads and so on.

Also wouldn't electrification help a bit with reducing oil/coal/gas use?

That said, 7 housing IS a bit high...

Automatic Projects (Automated things you may want to build/Have to build) (Approximate Power Expectation of 450 a turn, expect more with a HI or CI or to a lesser extent LI focus)
...that went up by a lot, didn't it?

Housing Construction Efforts(Selection Required):
-[]3 Infrastructure Dice:
Some mild mistakes may have been made in the initial housing projections with the state of housing defined as desirable generally overestimated in the extreme. There is currently less of a housing shortage and more of a shortage of high-quality housing, but that can be comparatively deprioritized relative to more important industrial developments. Committing enough resources to keep the sector functioning will allow for the construction of larger and more economically stimulating projects than a few million workers having a larger kitchen. (300 RpY Modified by Steel Prices)
-[]5 Infrastructure Dice: Expanding the pace of the housing program to ensure that the new generation can receive up-to-date housing along with improving the general state of housing is considered something of a priority. A full-scale decisive program is not required in that as an investment housing can be comparatively deprioritized compared to economic gains, but it can still be made better. Continued financial efforts will allow for the acceleration of construction to meet the demands of the rising population with a strong increase in per-family rooms along with a reduction in the age of construction. (480 RpY Modified by Steel Prices) (Stage 5 Air Conditioning required by 1973)
-[]7 Infrastructure Dice: Housing is the largest interaction most workers have with the economy and inherently one that defines their perception of the world as so much time is spent in it. The old Mikoyankas and immediate post-war builds are approaching obsolescence and that alone must be decisively answered to improve the general state of housing. Further expanding the program to the point that nearly five million new apartments are constructed per year will take a massive provision of funding and organizational capacity but it will ensure that the struggle for housing is won. The capacity developed now will further contribute to expansions in later plans allowing the total elimination of cooperative housing and inadequate wartime constructions by 1980. (700 RpY Modified by Steel Prices) (Stage 6 Air Conditioning required by 1973)
If we don't go for basic infra plan goal, I think 5 housing is enough. Otherwise sure, go all in!

[]High Speed Rail:
-[]Passenger Rail Network(Ural Region):
The Ural mountains pose a massive technical and logistical challenge to overcome for the track that must run mostly straight with few bends or major elevation changes. Still, the builders of the Trans-Siberian were able to overcome it, and there is no reason why we cannot. The Northern corridor will be built as an extension of the lines from Kazan, crossing the Urals in the direction of Sverdlovsk. Ufa will further be integrated into the network with a line headed South into Orenburg. In the Southern sector, a line from Saratov to Uralsk to Orenburg to Orsk will be constructed, allowing for an easy linkage into the Central Asian planned project. Construction past the Urals will continue from Orsk to Kostanay along the main populated corridor, entering Omsk from the South. In the North challenging work will be done to further link Saratov to Tyumen followed by a further corridor to Omsk. To increase integration a further small corridor is planned from Sverdlovsk to Kostanay, easing the transportation burden and preparing for further network expansion. (2 Infrastructure Dice) (300 RpY)
-[]Passenger Rail Network(Caucasus): The construction of high-speed lines into the Caucasus poses several challenges due to the terrain, but work can still be done at scale. Initial line construction will focus on extending a path from Stalingrad to Astrakhan, followed by a run south toward Baku. From Baku, the most challenging elements of completing the Southern loop will be undertaken, running partially along the Kura River, transiting on a Baku-Tbilisi-Sukhumi axis. Work around Tbilisi is expected to be the most complex path for the overall system, with maximum speeds likely limited, but it poses a critical challenge toward network construction. The Western sector will be constructed as a path down from Rostov to Krasnodar to Sochi, connecting at Sukhumi. A further interline will be made across the north, linking Krasnodar, Stavropol, Natlchik, and Grozny, linking with the Eastern line around Makhachkala. (1 Infrastructure Dice) (160 RpY)
I have no idea just how much we need more HSR right now, I admit.

[]Rail Electrification:
-[]1 Infrastructure Dice:
Massive savings in the operation of electric locomotives have already shown themselves as grid stability has improved but the technology is still new and untested at scale. Focusing programs towards the electrification of cargo rails along the trans-siberian and working on ensuring that the primary corridors for bulk freight are electrified will provide the largest returns for the least investment. The current plan effectively calls for main cargo lines to the east to be electrified with a line from Moscow to Leningrad and Rostov joining the campaign to ease the transport of goods. (1 Infrastructure Dice) (140 RpY) (Estimated 60 RpY Return)
-[]2 Infrastructure Dice: As electric traction is almost sixty percent of the cost of diesel traction, broadening the program towards a ten-year plan for the replacement of cargo lines can yield significant gains. Current programs will modernize the Trans Siberian along with main cargo routes to the republic capitals in the West. Interlinks to the Polish network will further be established to enable a direct handover and continuous electric traction to Berlin once fully coordinated and established. Further work on the project will shift towards the construction of branch lines towards the largest cities in the Union, ensuring that most freight can utilize more efficient traction. (2 Infrastructure Dice) (300 RpY) (Estimated 100 RpY Return)
-[]3 Infrastructure Dice: Electrification is the future of development and one that must be embraced rapidly to further improve global competitiveness. The Union moved to diesel traction first and decisively and the same can be done for electric traction. Mainline cargo routes will be focused on further electrification to simplify and cheapen transportation all while programs to improve locomotive production are underway. Not only will the core lines in the West be electrified but so will lines into Central Asia and the Caucasus. The program will not be complete for some time but moving now will cheapen goods across the Union and further accelerate industrial development. (3 Infrastructure Dice) (480 RpY) (Estimated 150 RpY Return)
I'm kinda tempted to go all in on this, and just ignore HSR instead.

Admittedly the savings will take some time to make it worth it though.


yeah, I won't comment on Dams. they're always worth it, but they take time to pay off and we only have so many Infrastructure dice...

Nuclear is a must, but not sure if 1 or 2 dice. We definitely want Atommash, which should reduce the costs, ESPECIALLY if we go for the 2-dice option one.

Coal is annoyingly necessary. maybe 2 dice?

Gas seems obvious to max out, and it also helps in keeping oil costs down which is nice.

Healthcare is either 2 or, if we can afford it, 3 dice.

Education... 2 or 3, again.


.. All of this will cost quite a bit... I think we definitely need a Infra+HI focus, but I'm a bit unsure on how far to go on most of the possible automated projects...
 
We can always hire more student cadres, but we may not get another opportunity for computerization. For this plan, ESA is inefficient especially if it doesn't give us less than four dice, but getting computerization's foot in the door while it's a ajar will hopefully be worth it in the future.

...that went up by a lot, didn't it?
Last plan we were given a 300/yr estimate, so 450 is a damn large increase.
I have no idea just how much we need more HSR right now, I admit.
We don't need need it, compared to stuff like general electrification, hydropower, canals, waster distribution, etc. But HSR is always good for a country to have. I'm inclined to put one die on the Caucasus project just so our High Speed Rail building experience doesn't atrophy, but otherwise this plan it's not a priority.
 
I think we should go with a Services plan, we picked the automation guy, so on top of the masses of graduates we already have, we will likely be cutting back on people working on the factory floor. It is cheap way to absorb labor, is important since Atomash, computerization and automation won't be. Better take advantage of Klim's silly bonuses to the sector while they last.

I also think that if we want to save the Aral we will need to pick an Infra focus on the 75-69 plan, so we will have a lot more slack then to pursue more ambitious projects. With the extra dice from expanding the Ministry we can finish the Central Asian roads, airports and water situation, anything else is extra so I don't think we need an Infra plan right now.
 
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This looks like something that can have, uh, tectonic consequences.
At least the earthquakes will be hitting the middle of Fucking Nowhere, Siberia? :D

Also the gigantic hydroelectric dams in that immediate area, so hopefully we won't get the sound of "Fuuuu-" too loudly.

I'm honestly against ESA. Putting yet another infra project on the massive backlog isn't something I'm looking forward to, especially since it'd probably be expensive and mean we don't get our new dice immediately, though the later is admittedly only a concern if we go 25%.
If it buys us several dice, it's probably worth it. You have to spend money to make money, so to speak. Sort of like rail electrification, in that respect.

Of course, I'm not saying it's the best option, but it's not likely to be a bad option.

We don't even know if we'd get 4 Dice from ESA ever. And that they're free doesn't much matter considering that at minimum CI, Services and Infra/Agri definitely need more dice
This is valid.

Of course, there's some catches on the other plans, too. If we go with the student cadres, we've got 52 dice to start with, +6 for each of the two focuses, plus six for student cadres. That's 70 dice, which means the negative mechanical impact of that -2 experience malus is costing us about as much, statistically, as we get from rolling another couple of dice. Unless the +1 economics education bonus is applied to all dice, which would soften the blow.

ESA, well, it has political drawbacks, and it might not yield four dice. And I'm betting the ESA project will be expensive, being a pure electronics project. I expect a minimum of 200 R/die to activate, and 300 R/die wouldn't shock me. Though ESA does stand a good chance of chaining into further beneficial projects.

Conventional promotion paths is the 'safe' and simple option here.

That mess is what will happen when we do the Lower Lena cascade. Upper Lena is more subdued. As for nuclear, We'll only finish Atomash late in the plan so I don't know how much it can improve things. The structural material of the core will already be laid by then. I figured anything that gets laid down before the commissioning of Atomash will pale in comparison to what will come after, so best to just keep one die on it for now to avoid losing experience.
What about Cryo's argument that we need to start developing fast breeder reactors and other such advanced nuclear infrastructure in an attempt to keep our radioactive waste problems under control?

I am for the ESA mostly because significant political cost thing. We have some political capital to spend so better to spend it here and get the precedent set than attempt to try and implement it later when we may not have political capital to implement it.
Ooh, that's a good point.
 
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Alright, so while I was drawing up a draft plan, I did some calculations on exactly how tight a non-infra plan would be... and I was pleasantly surprised to say, we can do a lot!

2075-272 (Central Asian High Capacity Roads) = 1803
1803-75 (Development of the Volga) = 1728
1728-316 (Civilian Airports, stage 3+4) = 1412
1412-750 (Water Distribution Systems 7+8) = 662
662-300 (Hypothetical Power Grid Expansions) = 362
362-175 (Integration of Commuter Rail) = 187
187-175 (Unified Canal System) = 12

So, I assumed a 5 dice budget per turn, which would add up to 25 dice over the 5 year plan and an average 2075 progress if we pick up the extra students. With that we could quite literally do all of our remaining old infrastructure projects, do two stages of airports, two stages of water and a hypothetical power grid expansion to adress our rising production.

So I think even if we don't pick an infrastructure plan, we can still do a lot. We have to remember, that we not only did a infra focused plan just now, but also put significant amounts of free dice into that sector in order to catch up to our road mandate. We've made enormous progress in the sector, so I think we can afford to draw back on road investments a bit. Especially since I do think our next plan should probably be a Infra-CI plan anyway.
 
[X]Plan Cybernetics and the Miracle on the River Ob
-[X]Expand the Student Cadres
-[X]Plan Focus (+6 dice): HI/Services
-[X]Spending: 20+15% GNP (+8500R)

-[X]Target: High Technology Industries
-[X]Infrastructure Autodice (-10 Infra/-2 Ag dice, -1300R base but modified by steel prices)

--[X]Housing: 5 Infra dice (-480R)
--[X]Rail Electrification: 2 Infra die (-300R)
--[X]Upper Ob-Irtysh Cascade, 2 Ag die (-220R)
--[X]Hydroelectric Power: Krasnoyarsk-Irkutsk, 3 Infra die (-300R)
-[X]Power Autodice (-5 HI/-1 CI dice, +453 power, -1840R)
--[X]Nuclear Power: 2 HI dice, +38 power from last FYP's program (-640R)
--[X]Coal Power: 2 HI dice, +240 power (-600R)
--[X]Gas Power: 1 HI + 1 CI dice, +175 power (-600R)
-[]Services Autodice (-7 Services dice, -900R)
--[X]Healthcare: 3 Services dice (-500R)
--[X]Education: 4 Services dice (-400R)
-[X]Total Discretionary pool: 4 FR/0 IN/11 HI/6 LI/5 CI/4 AG/9 SR with 4040R

Alright, so have made a plan that continues the expansion of the Service sector since its cheap, will soak up all the unemployed low wage labor from the HI sector, modernizes the Soviet industrial park, tries to prepare our transportation network for a oil shock and allows us to do River Reversal next plan if we so choose. An infrastructure plan would be quite tempting, but if we allocate two dice from expanding the Ministry and 3 free dice, we can still do a ton of projects as I showed in the post above. And I really think we can benefit a lot from Klim leading another Service focused plan. Its what the man is best at doing.

I also think there is a case to be made to do the Ural HSR expansion so we can expand it to Central Asia next plan, so will do a fork plan that does that.

[X]Plan Cybernetics and the Miracle on the River Ob, HSR edition
-[X]Expand the Student Cadres
-[X]Plan Focus (+6 dice): HI/Services
-[X]Spending: 20+15% GNP (+8500R)

-[X]Target: High Technology Industries
-[X]Infrastructure Autodice (-10 Infra/-2 Ag dice, -1300R base but modified by steel prices)

--[X]Housing: 5 Infra dice (-480R)
--[X]Passenger Rail Network(Ural Region): 2 Infra die (-300R)
--[X]Upper Ob-Irtysh Cascade, 2 Ag die (-220R)
--[X]Hydroelectric Power: Krasnoyarsk-Irkutsk, 3 Infra die (-300R)
-[X]Power Autodice (-5 HI/-1 CI dice, +453 power, -1840R)
--[X]Nuclear Power: 2 HI dice, +38 power from last FYP's program (-640R)
--[X]Coal Power: 2 HI dice, +240 power (-600R)
--[X]Gas Power: 1 HI + 1 CI dice, +175 power (-600R)
-[X]Services Autodice (-7 Services dice, -900R)
--[X]Healthcare: 3 Services dice (-500R)
--[X]Education: 4 Services dice (-400R)
-[X]Total Discretionary pool: 4 FR/0 IN/11 HI/6 LI/5 CI/4 AG/9 SR with 4040R
 
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I find myself VERY conflicted what Spending Levels to take. I need help with this.

We survived last plan on 20+15%. Of course our RpT will grow over time, and it synergizes with the ESA option since we won't have all the dice up front (because I know leaving dice idle is psychologically painful for us). But we DO have expensive projects and a rising labor costs, so I'm not fully confident we'll be able to perform well with it. 25+15 solves that problem, but going to 40% again will overheat the economy. We wanted to cool it off last plan, but the recession forced us from 15+15 to 20+15 so that didn't work. 25+10% is an economic compromise that threads the needle, but it requires burning a political favor that would be far better spent on structural reform.

Only 20+20% I have a definitely NO on. At 40% total it doesn't cool the economy, and as noted there's the political risk the Enterprises won't let us take some of that funding back when we need it.

What about Cryo's argument that we need to start developing fast breeder reactors and other such advanced nuclear infrastructure in an attempt to keep our radioactive waste problems under control?
Big If True, but I'm unclear why avoiding a nuclear waste program is dependent on building out reactors right now, rather than together with the much larger production runs we'll be doing under Atomash.
 
Big If True, but I'm unclear why avoiding a nuclear waste program is dependent on building out reactors right now, rather than together with the much larger production runs we'll be doing under Atomash.
If we go with only the one dice we will just continue our practices of dumping our nuclear waste into random lakes in Siberia or the Arctic, this allows us to reprocess it or dispose of it adequately. Frankly, nuclear waste is not a huge issue either way, but if we want to make sure to deal with it properly this is how we do it. The infrastructure will operate at a loss before Atomash really ramps up though, so its not essential. I mostly included it in my own plan since I figured the thread would want it.
 
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