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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Crake said:
I'm less angry at you and more frustrated at the string of vaguely connected issues which the discussion brings up, but namely it's the idea that if you continue to talk about something enough, hoping the other side will eventually just agree with you, and when most of the decision making here is driven by consent and open platform to sell your position, that will eventually happen, I become infuriated.

I see it as a betrayal of trust. I acknowledge that's not always rational, because eventually I grew to accept if not agree with some of the decisions driven by such tactics, but easy dragons from reincarnation ain't one of the ones I'll ever agree with.
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It has never been about talking people into submission for me, sorry if I gave that impression, it has been about people insulting and belittling my idea, and me taking that personally, which caused me to bunker down and argue for it, because I wouldn't let the insulters have the last word.
 
Crake said:
Bit too late, man. The fire is already started. Which is why there was such a backlash when you brought it up. The only way to extinguish it is willfully pretending the house isn't burning down around us by ignoring the subject matter in question. Eventually it'll burn itself out.

This went on for months.
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I'm not even going to try to restart the argument, I'm however going to respond to the posts I feel insulted by, because you guys can get pretty damn insulting when someone bring this up, and that's part of the problem, insulting an idea don't cause people to give it up, it causes them to go into I will show them all mode, or at least that's what it do to me, and no I don't take arguments against my ideas as insults, I take calling them cheap and bad as insults, that's just resorting to namecalling, and that's the basest form of insults there is.
 
I mean you already know my taste in waifus. I've only PREACHED IT every time it's come up. :V
 
tarrangar said:
If they stop insulting I will drop it, but I wont let insults go unanswered.
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tarrangar said:
It has never been about talking people into submission for me, sorry if I gave that impression, it has been about people insulting and belittling my idea, and me taking that personally, which caused me to bunker down and argue for it, because I wouldn't let the insulters have the last word.
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Bud, that is the attitude of a child. I can see at this point that the threads strategy is simply to ignore you, and in the interest of not dragging this out even further I will too.
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
Of course the French sound haughty. They're French. If you are the best, act like it! :D

The western world has had three languages of science, art and diplomacy: Latin, French (why do you think we say "Lingua Franca"? Because the language used to communicate between educated people was French!), and then English. I'm willing to listen to accept the fact that people can consider English to be the language of science, business and law today (because English does rule the world for now), but considering German to be more suited to order, science and war than French? Bah! If that were the case then Germany would have invented something worthwhile - like the baguette!

And how dare you, a German person, call out French for it's default pronunciation?!? German is a language that can be pronounced by trained apes and bears! If that doesn't say something about the links between grunting and basic-level German, then nothing does!
And while German can rise above "grunting and monosyllabic", it obviously isn't easy to do great things with the tongue. Otherwise Germany would have more world-famous writers and poets than France!
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Oh, please. You are talking about riding on the successes of the Romans as if it was some kind of achievement. We've build our culture on our own while you kept aping dead Italians forever and a day.

I will also have you know that German was the language of science and education ever since we've put you into your place, at least until that inbred, austrian mountain yokel messed that up. But it was still Germans who put a man on the moon! And we made the Americans pay for it!
Haven't seen a baguette planted on the moon so far.

And since you apparently forgot the precision and beauty of the German language, let me remind you:
Panzerkampfwagen Vier

This is how a language should look!
 
LonelyWolf999 said:
Bud, that is the attitude of a child. I can see at this point that the threads strategy is simply to ignore you, and in the interest of not dragging this out even further I will too.
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Might be the attitude of a child, I can get pretty damn childish and petty when insulted, that's one of my flaws.

But yeah I should probably stop, nothing good is coming out of it at this point, I'm just venting my spleen, at whoever I feel has been insulting me.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Oct 5, 2018 at 8:30 AM, finished with 424 posts and 32 votes.
  • [X] Plan Judgement From Above
    -[X] Wait a moment to gauge Lana's reaction to the destruction of the guild. Look if she seems to be grieving the loss of someone she cared about.
    -[X] Once you got a read on her, cast 2 Mages Decree to announce what happened to the city.
    --[X] "Treachery had grown among those tasked to protect this city. In the very shadows of the Seven, darkness grew, yet those gods did nothing." // 24 words
    --[X] "But we saw the Guild cavort with the pit, and now they and they alone have paid the price, so that the innocent will not." // 25 words
    -[X] Wait again to gauge Lana's reaction. Then decide how to proceed.
    [X] Teleport away as swiftly as you can, the risk of being found is too great
    [X] DAS Plan, "Only some fun allowed" version
    -[X] Teleport immediatly back to SD
    -[X] Everyone Who can fly through Magic or transformation does so, then immediatly teleport back, several hundred feet above Lanna's last know position.
    -[X] Carefully observe her reaction to the collapse, if she does not seem distressed proceed with the plan.
    -[X] Contact Lanna with ... speak inside head spell "I am here to help, i came as soon as soon as i could, are enemies attacking the city?"
    -[X] Explain your agents saw the explosion, you knew about the alchemists working with Devils and feared the worst
    [x] Take the chance to spy on the Lannister mage
    -[X] Keep everyone always at least 150ft away from them.
    [x] Take the chance to spy on the Lannister mage
    [X] Das Brazen Jedi Truth
    -[X] Wait a moment to gauge Lana's reaction to the destruction of the guild. Look if she seems to be grieving the loss of someone she cared about.
    -[X] Once you got a read on her, Contact Lanna "Lady, I came as soon as soon as I could, are the forces of hell attacking the city?"
    -[X] Explain your agents saw the explosion, you knew about the alchemists working with Devils and feared the worst
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If we hadn't just had two interludes, I'd beg for this one to be from Lanna's perspective...

Alas, maybe after the fact?
 
Azel said:
I beg you pardon?

My contracts don't have fine print. That's a crutch for amateurs.
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You mean that's a very outdated play, it's how Asmodeus got away with so much in the Pact Primeval after all, and calling your boss an amateur is not a good idea.

Of course Asmodeus invented the fine print, so it's not that impressive that he managed to pull fine print on the gods, they were all good gods and most of them lawful, written contracts were only a formality as far as they were concerned, why would they even consider fine print, only demons would do something like cheat on a deal back then, the pact Primeval was the first ever case of malicious trickery not done by demons or mortals, so the gods had no reason to suspect it.
TalonofAnathrax said:
Of course the French sound haughty. They're French. If you are the best, act like it! :D
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Since when are the Cheese-eating surrender monkeys the best?
 
The sexual tension between France and Germany is undeniable. Too bad it would never work out between them. All the domestic violence didn't help, either.
 
Azel said:
Oh, please. You are talking about riding on the successes of the Romans as if it was some kind of achievement. We've build our culture on our own while you kept aping dead Italians forever and a day.

I will also have you know that German was the language of science and education ever since we've put you into your place, at least until that inbred, austrian mountain yokel messed that up. But it was still Germans who put a man on the moon! And we made the Americans pay for it!
Haven't seen a baguette planted on the moon so far.

And since you apparently forgot the precision and beauty of the German language, let me remind you:
Panzerkampfwagen Vier

This is how a language should look!
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In 1870, Germany was widely considered inferior to France, hence why the international community was so amazed when the French lost the war. International historians today blame the French aristocracy's incompetence for losing that war btw, and not any specific German competence.
In 1914, Germany lost another war and was humiliated internationally. 1914-1870 is 44. Wow, what a long era of international dominance for Germany! From then on the USA was on the rise (and British Empire was still the world's main power), and English became more and more important as the world's dominant language, easily crushing German and French :'(

And are you somehow trying to take credit for America literally pillaging your universities and looting the burned husks of your research centers? From that point on the achievements of America must be recognized as American. And indeed, the few German scientists who did do great things flourished only when in America's own research environment! Going to the moon is far better than shooting a few rockets across the Channel!

And for more proof of French's historical dominance, look at the invention of German social sciences! Weber, Tönnies, and people like Norbert Elias? All these people who started the big German intellectual movements focused around culture, "what makes a German","what is German culture"? Sure they did great things and these German intellectual movements have produced interesting content, but you have to remember that they started because they felt inferior! The building block of German national identity and German social sciences was "why can't we be like the French? Should we even try to copy them mindlessly like our elites are doing? Why do they have all this great literature being written, innovative art, and soft power so great that royalty from Spain to Russia speak French at court?"
This feeling of inferiority didn't come from the long series of crushing defeats taken by Germany against France until it managed to unify properly into a country vastly more populated than France that would field bigger armies and had more industrial capacity. It came from the cultural, scientific and even political dominance of the French language and culture.

And to argue the beauty of the French language, all I'll say is the fact that "That feeling you can only say in French" became such an accepted sentence in English (the other dominant language) that people started writing stories based on it. And of course, the phrase "lingua franca".

In a proper world the French would be proud of having kicked off such excellent intellectual developments in Germany. Except that once the Germans got a good thing going they used it to unite into a single nation where the military held ridiculous influence and respect, and then used that military a little too much for their kind neighbors to accept. :D
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
In 1870, Germany was widely considered inferior to France, hence why the international community was so amazed when the French lost the war. International historians today blame the French aristocracy's incompetence for losing that war btw, and not any specific German competence.
In 1914, Germany lost another war and was humiliated internationally. 1914-1870 is 44. Wow, what a long era of international dominance for Germany! From then on the USA was on the rise (and British Empire was still the world's main power), and English became more and more important as the world's dominant language, easily crushing German and French :'(

And are you somehow trying to take credit for America literally pillaging your universities and looting the burned husks of your research centers? From that point on the achievements of America must be recognized as American. And indeed, the few German scientists who did do great things flourished only when in America's own research environment! Going to the moon is far better than shooting a few rockets across the Channel!

And for more proof of French's historical dominance, look at the invention of German social sciences! Weber, Tönnies, and people like Norbert Elias? All these people who started the big German intellectual movements focused around culture, "what makes a German","what is German culture"? Sure they did great things and these German intellectual movements have produced interesting content, but you have to remember that they started because they felt inferior! The building block of German national identity and German social sciences was "why can't we be like the French? Should we even try to copy them mindlessly like our elites are doing? Why do they have all this great literature being written, innovative art, and soft power so great that royalty from Spain to Russia speak French at court?"
This feeling of inferiority didn't come from the long series of crushing defeats taken by Germany against France until it managed to unify properly into a country vastly more populated than France that would field bigger armies and had more industrial capacity. It came from the cultural, scientific and even political dominance of the French language and culture.

And to argue the beauty of the French language, all I'll say is the fact that "That feeling you can only say in French" became such an accepted sentence in English (the other dominant language) that people started writing stories based on it. And of course, the phrase "lingua franca".

In a proper world the French would be proud of having kicked off such excellent intellectual developments in Germany. Except that once the Germans got a good thing going they used it to unite into a single nation where the military held ridiculous influence and respect, and then used that military a little too much for their kind neighbors to accept. :D
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...I can no longer tell if you guys are still joking or actually arguing.
 
Hey, French may have its problems, but at least you can sound serious with it, if you try hard enough.

Not so much with Spanish, which just sounds like an eternal looney tunes dub.

So it's a good thing I don't speak either :V
 
One Autumn Leaf said:
The fact that they know our habits for capturing foes is oddly satisfying. It feels like we are the evil overlord sometimes tbh
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We've also gotten our subordinates to start bringing us skulls. ;) I've always felt rather proud about that.

Regarding the hag matron, I really hope they gather up her ashes. We can probably Blood Wish a skull out of that.
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
In 1870, Germany was widely considered inferior to France, hence why the international community was so amazed when the French lost the war. International historians today blame the French aristocracy's incompetence for losing that war btw, and not any specific German competence.
In 1914, Germany lost another war and was humiliated internationally. 1914-1870 is 44. Wow, what a long era of international dominance for Germany! From then on the USA was on the rise (and British Empire was still the world's main power), and English became more and more important as the world's dominant language, easily crushing German and French :'(

And are you somehow trying to take credit for America literally pillaging your universities and looting the burned husks of your research centers? From that point on the achievements of America must be recognized as American. And indeed, the few German scientists who did do great things flourished only when in America's own research environment! Going to the moon is far better than shooting a few rockets across the Channel!

And for more proof of French's historical dominance, look at the invention of German social sciences! Weber, Tönnies, and people like Norbert Elias? All these people who started the big German intellectual movements focused around culture, "what makes a German","what is German culture"? Sure they did great things and these German intellectual movements have produced interesting content, but you have to remember that they started because they felt inferior! The building block of German national identity and German social sciences was "why can't we be like the French? Should we even try to copy them mindlessly like our elites are doing? Why do they have all this great literature being written, innovative art, and soft power so great that royalty from Spain to Russia speak French at court?"
This feeling of inferiority didn't come from the long series of crushing defeats taken by Germany against France until it managed to unify properly into a country vastly more populated than France that would field bigger armies and had more industrial capacity. It came from the cultural, scientific and even political dominance of the French language and culture.

And to argue the beauty of the French language, all I'll say is the fact that "That feeling you can only say in French" became such an accepted sentence in English (the other dominant language) that people started writing stories based on it. And of course, the phrase "lingua franca".

In a proper world the French would be proud of having kicked off such excellent intellectual developments in Germany. Except that once the Germans got a good thing going they used it to unite into a single nation where the military held ridiculous influence and respect, and then used that military a little too much for their kind neighbors to accept. :D
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I think this is the point where we should stop beating around the bush and settle this the old-fashioned way.

I will meet you in Belgium.

I will answer your post in the actual seriousness this is drifting towards in the evening when I have a notebook to do so.
 
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