There will always be an excuse, always a puppet, none of them matter and neither does Robert.
You are wrong. A good enough excuse can make it easy for the discontent to unite, while flimsy excuses do not. A good enough excuse can get idiots to rally to them and can resolve the "who takes over when he dies" issue that holds back so many plots against rulers.

Robert dies. The Lannisters are cast down and weakened, and Robert's heirs are indoctrinated and kept under our thumb.
 
What if we just transform Robert into turtle, or something else harmless and long-lived, and let him live out the rest of his days in comfort? Or maybe he would prefer to be a statue?

Then again, I would be perfectly happy offing him.
 
France is an ordered, centralised nation where the language itself has repeatedly been organised and structured for beauty, sense and good taste, but despite all this it remains annoying for foreigners to learn and still has a deliberately difficult grammar when it comes to verb tenses and orthographic exceptions.

Clearly devils speak French.

Edit: I'm not even joking. French has been redesigned for beauty and good sense, but also so that it would be harder to speak it truly fluently and so that it's roots (well, the ones we were proud of like Latin or Greek, not inferior tongues like German) would be more visible when it came to spelling. But French has entire verb tenses and sentence structures that exist because the rich wanted to fuck with the poor and foreigners.
 
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France is an ordered, centralised nation where the language itself has repeatedly been organised and structured for beauty, sense and good taste, but despite all this it remains annoying for foreigners to learn and still has a deliberately difficult grammar when it comes to verb tenses and orthographic exceptions.

Clearly devils speak French.
The failure to actually turn the language into something useful or comprehensible, paired with a pronunciation that has a default setting of "snotty bastard" clearly shows it's inferiority to Glorious German.

Devils have a language that is well suited to order, science and war, not something that only excels at chatting up whores.
 
*scribbling on shipping chart*

You think I didn't keep one, didn't you? :V

That's my secret. I'm always shipping.

Language debates aside what does the current vote look like?
I gotcha bruh.
Adhoc vote count started by Crake on Oct 5, 2018 at 7:49 AM, finished with 397 posts and 32 votes.

  • [X] Plan Judgement From Above
    -[X] Wait a moment to gauge Lana's reaction to the destruction of the guild. Look if she seems to be grieving the loss of someone she cared about.
    -[X] Once you got a read on her, cast 2 Mages Decree to announce what happened to the city.
    --[X] "Treachery had grown among those tasked to protect this city. In the very shadows of the Seven, darkness grew, yet those gods did nothing." // 24 words
    --[X] "But we saw the Guild cavort with the pit, and now they and they alone have paid the price, so that the innocent will not." // 25 words
    -[X] Wait again to gauge Lana's reaction. Then decide how to proceed.
    [X] Teleport away as swiftly as you can, the risk of being found is too great
    [X] DAS Plan, "Only some fun allowed" version
    -[X] Teleport immediatly back to SD
    -[X] Everyone Who can fly through Magic or transformation does so, then immediatly teleport back, several hundred feet above Lanna's last know position.
    -[X] Carefully observe her reaction to the collapse, if she does not seem distressed proceed with the plan.
    -[X] Contact Lanna with ... speak inside head spell "I am here to help, i came as soon as soon as i could, are enemies attacking the city?"
    -[X] Explain your agents saw the explosion, you knew about the alchemists working with Devils and feared the worst
    [x] Take the chance to spy on the Lannister mage
    -[X] Keep everyone always at least 150ft away from them.
    [x] Take the chance to spy on the Lannister mage
    [X] Das Brazen Jedi Truth
    -[X] Wait a moment to gauge Lana's reaction to the destruction of the guild. Look if she seems to be grieving the loss of someone she cared about.
    -[X] Once you got a read on her, Contact Lanna "Lady, I came as soon as soon as I could, are the forces of hell attacking the city?"
    -[X] Explain your agents saw the explosion, you knew about the alchemists working with Devils and feared the worst
 
So what I'm getting out of this is that the idea is plausible, but everyone's sick of it because of Terranger's inability to shut up ever or use basic debating skills.

I'd like to tell Aemon that it's possible, personally. Being 90+ years old fucking sucks, magic healing or no, and I think he'd like to be able to meaningfully contribute to saving the world. If he wants to just be young again, or become a goddamn dragon, or even leave the Nights Watch at all, I'm fine with it.
Well fuck you too, no reason to get insulting.
 
It's a cheap way to become the apex predator of the cosmos. If all it takes to become a True Dragon is some draconic ancestry and high level magic, the Planes would be absolutely infested by the things.

I've used longer arguments, and more thorough ones, but this is the gist of it. I won't support it, and will in fact argue against it tirelessly.
This argument again? I have given up on reincarnating people into dragons, but this argument still makes me mad, because you are insulting the whole idea that way, DP is the GM he says what works and what don't, just because we don't reincarnate someone into a dragon, don't mean that it's not possible to reincarnate someone into a dragon, stop this denial nonsense, DP is the creator and supreme ruler of this D&D universe, and he has said Targaryan's can be reincarnated into dragons, whether we do it is up to us, but not doing it don't change the fact that it's possible, and frankly you calling my ideas cheap feels pretty insulting, which was probably in hindsight a big part of why I argued so hard for it, because when I feel insulted I get defensive, and you saying that you don't just like it, but find it so bad that you will keep saying it's impossible after the GM has said it's impossible, is pretty fucking insulting to me.

Respect the Word Of DragonParadox, once he has said whether something work or not, saying it shouldn't work, is just insulting the people who think it should, saying you don't want to do it is not, but keeping insisting that it shouldn't work after DP has said it do, is pretty insulting to the people who think it should.

Argue that you don't want more dragons, argue that a wish is too expensive for what will probably only be a Wyrmling, but once we have WOG on whether it will work, stop trying to get WOG overturned, that's just insulting to the opposition.
 
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You are wrong. A good enough excuse can make it easy for the discontent to unite, while flimsy excuses do not. A good enough excuse can get idiots to rally to them and can resolve the "who takes over when he dies" issue that holds back so many plots against rulers.

Robert dies. The Lannisters are cast down and weakened, and Robert's heirs are indoctrinated and kept under our thumb.

And they'll do what? It doesn't matter they aren't a problem for us, the only reason we are taking any care at all is the preservation of lives and resources during a war.

This hypothetical rebellion would not cost us anything to quash wherever and whenever it arises because we don't have to flip a continent over to do so and we can tell people to sit down and shut up, we don't need your help.

The only threat these potentials pose is the support they can give to outside powers and this is not something you need a lot of allies for, the promises made to such fools is personal power, personal victory and/or the destruction of their enemies.

Robert Baratheon is not a threat, he's not a nemesis, not a rival, he is a sad man throwing an extended tantrum and any impact to anyone outside his immediate sphere of interaction is incidental if unfortunate.

He costs us more to kill him than he would just being pointed North, he might even become an asset, a real PC level asset if his prior achievements in battle are anything to go by.
 
The failure to actually turn the language into something useful or comprehensible, paired with a pronunciation that has a default setting of "snotty bastard" clearly shows it's inferiority to Glorious German.

Devils have a language that is well suited to order, science and war, not something that only excels at chatting up whores.
Of course the French sound haughty. They're French. If you are the best, act like it! :D

The western world has had three languages of science, art and diplomacy: Latin, French (why do you think we say "Lingua Franca"? Because the language used to communicate between educated people was French!), and then English. I'm willing to accept the fact that people can consider English to be the language of science, business and law today (because English does rule the world for now), but considering German to be more suited to order, science and war than French? Bah! If that were the case then Germany would have invented something worthwhile - like the baguette!

And how dare you, a German person, call out French for it's default pronunciation?!? German is a language that can be pronounced by trained apes and bears! If that doesn't say something about the links between grunting and basic-level German, then nothing does!
And while German can rise above "grunting and monosyllabic", it obviously isn't easy to do great things with the tongue. Otherwise Germany would have more world-famous writers and poets than France!

EDIT: German is damn good for speeches and marching songs though. Kinda like Russian.

You guys don't get it. French is the tongue of Fey
Damn. I'm not happy with it, but this is a good point. That works. French is twisty, good with emotions and symbolism, and rather full of itself.
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Dragon: No, it's ridiculous and this is one of the very few times I'd like to avoid the issue and ignore word of DP, years we spent becoming a Dragon, years of not being a Metamagic Sorcerer or anything else that would have made more sense than spending 10 levels to replicate the effects of a Wish, of which we have had several at our disposal.
Our PRC is in many way superior to reincarnation into a dragon, we started out as an Young Adult dragon, and we advance in age categories by leveling, as well as by aging, that would not be the case for someone reincarnated into a dragon, they would in all likelihood start as a Wyrmling, having to age 5 years to get to even Very Young, and getting to Young Adult which is where we started, would take them 50 years, and even once they reached that stage, or if it turned out they started at young adult, they wouldn't be able to advance in age categories though leveling, which we can do, making our PRC way superior to being a newly reincarnated dragon.

But whatever you guys don't want to reincarnate anyone into a dragon, and I don't really care anymore, so long as you stop insulting the idea, that piss me off, and then I have to answer back to calm down.

Saying you don't like the idea is fine, but as long as you get personal I will get defensive, and that will restart the argument.
 
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@tarrangar please man, just stop. I dropped the topic when I saw that nobody was interested, and I'd rather we just move on.

Bit too late, man. The fire is already started. Which is why there was such a backlash when you brought it up. The only way to extinguish it is willfully pretending the house isn't burning down around us by ignoring the subject matter in question. Eventually it'll burn itself out.

This went on for months.
 
So the Baguette is an elf!

@Snowfire! We don't have to change anything on the chart! IT ALL LINES UP! :V

Of course it does. Just remember to add in the fractal prism and the defensive infohazards when you're done. I suspect some (more) people may be planning on destroying all our work again.

What do you think about an Azel/Valkyrie line? Once we find them again, of course.
 
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