While it is true that they can reproduce with just abut everything that will stand still long enough, the issue was reconstructing that template form pure magic, giving not just the form of a young dragon but an elder that has lived long enough to unlock some of the secrets of its blood and dreams. Having that copied by magic feels a little cheap.
A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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While it is true that they can reproduce with just abut everything that will stand still long enough, the issue was reconstructing that template form pure magic, giving not just the form of a young dragon but an elder that has lived long enough to unlock some of the secrets of its blood and dreams. Having that copied by magic feels a little cheap.
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Yes, because they're connected to a source of truly immense power. Trying to artificially induce that is like trying to turn a modern day fusion reactor into the Sun. It's a massive difference of scale, and has nothing to do with genetics. It's metaphysical. Again.
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@DragonParadox Are you saying that Aemon, if reincarnated into a Red, will be a Young Adult like Viserys is now rather than an earlier age category, because of how long he's lived?
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Q can reproduce by agreement and touching the tips of their index fingers.
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Asking questions for now. This plan is too simple and has way to many open flanks for my taste.
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@Snowfire How many points out of ten for Mask of the Betrayer?
Yes! MoB was amazing in terms of writing and characterization. I personally like how it showed that "love conquers all" isn't necessarily sunshine and roses...
Now that I think about it Safiya/her "mom" are kinda like Lya and her arcanums...
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tarrangar
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Then make it so any way to permanently become a Dragon though wishcraft, also make your true form either a Wyrmling, or the size you would be if you had been born a dragon.
The Polymorph and wish make your default state dragon, but you are still Polymorphed, you are just suddenly a small Dragon Polymorphed into a big Dragon, instead of a human Polymorphed into a Dragon, the essence of Dragons want to multiply and so permit this, but it also want age categories to be gained though aging, so becoming a Dragon though Wishcraft, always make your true form a newborn dragon.
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I have to agree here. NWN2 was a nice gsme, but the typical heroic dross.
MotB had one of the greatest stories I've ever seen in a game.
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@Snowfire How many points out of ten for Mask of the Betrayer?
Ehhhhhhh. Still not sure how I feel about it, to be honest. The spirit eating mechanics were just annoying to the point that I deleted the cooldown on Suppress and ate sparingly.
That said, I did free Akachi from the Wall, end the curse, and then cuss out the God of Death for being a fucking moron hiding behind a Divine Covenant that obviously could be changed because Myrkul sure as hell did. It was a well written storyline.
Unfortunately not. The way human sorcerers and dragons perceive the dragon dreams is vastly different. Viserys' prestige class is the bridge across that gap.
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Again, this is missing the point. Wishcraft isn't enough to forge the sort of metaphysical connection that you're looking for here. Targs, or other houses with major amounts of Dragon blood flowing through their veins have access to a link that they can amplify by learning sorcery, building up the fire in their soul and making it stronger. Actually becoming a Dragon takes a lot more power than that, because it's a wholesale transmutation of the soul involved. That requires forging a direct connection to the dragon dreams, making the soul capable of handling that connection without exploding, and several other things besides. It isn't anywhere near as simple as you want it to be, and it shouldn't be, either.
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I don't think Myrkul actually reversed another gods judgement, which is the reason Kelemvor gave. That being said, it might have been a rule specific to Kelemvor, imposed by Ao over the whole mess with the wall.
My full agreement on the spirit eating mechanics being annoying though. Especially before the patches, as it shoved you to Lawful Good to surpress and Chaotic Evil to eat.
You make a good point but ultimately that ruling would leave me in a something of a world-building conundrum. If you could just wish mortals into being dragons then people like the Shaitans and especially the Efreeti would have already made artificial dragons loyal to their cause to fight their wars. Dragons would not be as rare as I need them to be for the theme and story lines I'm going for.
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My impression of Zherys, just glancing at @Azel's plan, is that of a combination of two things.
1) Zherys greatly respects us. But there is that part of Viserys calling him out on him possibly being among the number of butthurt men of "means" likening him to a mere beast. So how it translates is something even Zherys isn't completely sure of.
2) He's giving us such a "simple" plan because he wants to see what we'll make of it. In a way, he's seen what the fruits of our careful planning have done for us in the past few months alone, and he wants to see what we can do for him here with that same towering intellect (backed by a hive-mind of voters who can look at all of the details one at a time using a search function and collective OCD).
My impression of Zherys, just glancing at @Azel's plan, is that of a combination of two things.
1) Zherys greatly respects us. But there is that part of Viserys calling him out on him possibly being among the number of butthurt men of "means" likening him to a mere beast. So how it translates is something even Zherys isn't completely sure of.
2) He's giving us such a "simple" plan because he wants to see what we'll make of it. In a way, he's seen what the fruits of our careful planning have done for us in the past few months alone, and he wants to see what we can do for him here with that same towering intellect (backed by a hive-mind of voters who can look at all of the details one at a time using a search function and collective OCD).
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I liked the implication in MoB's backstory.
Kelemvor reduced the punishments for faithless and false and avoided using the Wall at all around the beginning of his reign.
He only started judging with less mercy when the total amount of prayer became noticably less and the other gods got upset.
Proof that mortals really follow the gods mostly out of fear in Faerun and overthrowing them is basically possible and desirable.
[X] Azel
Kelemvor reduced the punishments for faithless and false and avoided using the Wall at all around the beginning of his reign.
He only started judging with less mercy when the total amount of prayer became noticably less and the other gods got upset.
Proof that mortals really follow the gods mostly out of fear in Faerun and overthrowing them is basically possible and desirable.
[X] Azel
Vote closed. Answers incoming.
tarrangar
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I disagree, at most you should need a material component of True Dragon sperm.
Put a mandatory spell component in, something like willingly given Sperm from a True Dragon, you are then turned into that Dragons biological child, that way you need a True Dragon adopting you, to become a Dragon by Wishcraft.
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Oh, yeah, mechanic tweaking made the game so much more playable - I died 4 times as soon as the loading screen finished after one long journey before I realised what was happening, so restarted it without the decresing in spirt meter