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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Azel said:
I don't think Myrkul actually reversed another gods judgement, which is the reason Kelemvor gave. That being said, it might have been a rule specific to Kelemvor, imposed by Ao over the whole mess with the wall.

My full agreement on the spirit eating mechanics being annoying though. Especially before the patches, as it shoved you to Lawful Good to surpress and Chaotic Evil to eat.
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I'm not sure myself. It felt like a cop out at the time, and it feels like one now, too. That said, not really willing to risk it.

And oh god, did it ever. It was just ridiculous. There's a reason I just nuked the entire mechanic out of my playthrough and worked with the spirit eating as someone in the alignment I was playing would. I actually gave Myrkul his Rest in the end, which surprised me a little. Still annoys me that whatshername...um...the half celestial? was such an unmitigated moron. It's like, yes, sure, I think the Wall is fucking dumb. But it's also feasibly part of an Agreement that keeps the entire multiverse intact so.....
 
tarrangar said:
I disagree, at most you should need a material component of True Dragon sperm.

Put a mandatory spell component in, something like willingly given Sperm from a True Dragon, you are then turned into that Dragons biological child, that way you need a True Dragon adopting you, to become a Dragon by Wishcraft.
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:jackiechan: This is not how building a metaphysical connection works. You're trying to combine genetics with metaphysics, and in a way that completely depreciates the existence of what is considered one of the most powerful 9th level spells in existence; that being Shapechange. Just please, stop.

Also, @Azel, you know the one thing I really loved about MotB? The larger spell list. Avasculate was such a fun spell to throw around.
 
tarrangar said:
I disagree, at most you should need a material component of True Dragon sperm.

Put a mandatory spell component in, something like willingly given Sperm from a True Dragon, you are then turned into that Dragons biological child, that way you need a True Dragon adopting you, to become a Dragon by Wishcraft.
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...I have been called out on being hypocrite over personally attacking people on here.
I would grudgingly agree that it is true, as I rarely can form my thoughts on a subject I disagree with someone, without offending them.
I'm not proud of that, and I have to actively stop myself from writing a lot of stuff I want to right now :/

But what you want here seems to rub a lot of people the wrong way.

Why, exactly, are you so set on this point of yours?
What makes making people into dragons with magic such an important possibility to you, that you are arguing it even though we are, speaking objectively, never going to do that?
Due to price (a Wish is something that even on Epic levels remains an incredibly precious resource), if nothing else?
 
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Snowfire said:
And oh god, did it ever. It was just ridiculous. There's a reason I just nuked the entire mechanic out of my playthrough and worked with the spirit eating as someone in the alignment I was playing would. I actually gave Myrkul his Rest in the end, which surprised me a little. Still annoys me that whatshername...um...the half celestial? was such an unmitigated moron. It's like, yes, sure, I think the Wall is fucking dumb. But it's also feasibly part of an Agreement that keeps the entire multiverse intact so.....
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Dove was indeed a annoying bitch most of the time. The best group to me was always Safia, Ghan and whatever Spirit your alignment had. One of Many was fun to have around.

And yeah. The spirit eating made for a great story and a atrocious mechanic. I've always nuked it with cheats to play how I actually wanted.
Snowfire said:
Also, @Azel, you know the one thing I really loved about MotB? The larger spell list. Avasculate was such a fun spell to throw around.
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There's a reason I'm supporting TNEs campaign for that spell. It's the perfect answer to CR 20 HP bags.
 
DragonParadox said:
You make a good point but ultimately that ruling would leave me in a something of a world-building conundrum. If you could just wish mortals into being dragons then people like the Shaitans and especially the Efreeti would have already made artificial dragons loyal to their cause to fight their wars. Dragons would not be as rare as I need them to be for the theme and story lines I'm going for.
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Dominated high level wizard - by Tiamat avatar or high priest. What sundering? What loss of chromatic dragons? Oh, and there are no non-chromatics left (because the good guys wouldn't use the blood magic wishcraft substitute for XP).
 
egoo said:
...I have been called out on being hypocrite over personally attacking people on here.
I would grudgingly agree that it is true, as I rarely can form my thoughts on a subject I disagree with someone, without offending them.
I'm not proud of that, and I have to actively stop myself from writing a lot of stuff I want to right now :/

But what you want here seems to rub a lot of people the wrong way.

Why, exactly, are you so set on this point of yours?
What makes making people into dragons with magic such an important possibility to you, that you are arguing it even though we are, speaking objectively, never going to do that?
Due to price (a Wish is something that even on Epic levels remains an incredibly precious resource), if nothing else?
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Principle, the fact that Dragons are so good at reproducing, in my opinion should mean that making a Dragon isn't that hard, I find it ridiculous that something 2 Dragons can do with a roll in the hay, is beyond a 9th level spell.

I do think that it entirely make sense if wishes can only make Wyrmlings, that's when Dragons are born and still aren't powerful, so it entirely make sense that a wish can only make you a Wyrmling, from there you can probably boost your age category with more wishes, but you should only be able to become a Wyrmling with a wish.
Snowfire said:
:jackiechan: This is not how building a metaphysical connection works. You're trying to combine genetics with metaphysics, and in a way that completely depreciates the existence of what is considered one of the most powerful 9th level spells in existence; that being Shapechange. Just please, stop.

Also, @Azel, you know the one thing I really loved about MotB? The larger spell list. Avasculate was such a fun spell to throw around.
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And I disagree with you, building the connection shouldn't be that hard, considering that Dragons can do it though sex, they don't need any complicated rituals to reproduce, of course the connection should be as a Wyrmling, brand new and not yet pulled anything though, but a wish should be able to build it in my opinion.
 
MTB said:
... I should somehow replay NWN2, it's been decades ...
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It holds up rather well, actually, although you'll probably need mods to make it work on a widescreen. Apart from that, there are some really sweet graphical fixes out there.

On a NWN2 note, though, I have yet to get over how utterly pissed I am by how they handled Deekin.

Going off HotU, he should have been well into the Epic Levels at that point. Which makes the idea of him just sitting around and letting his home get blown to bits during the Battle of Crossroad Keep just nuts. Yes, I get he's a bard, who the fuck cares. HotU places him at level 40. At that level a commoner can probably beat up on Garius.
 
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Xor is great. I also like the immediate IC response from any of the main party to people who are mean to Xor.

"I like him more than I like you. So you're not doing yourself any favors right now."
 
Azel said:
We should make one of our own here. We need more pet eldritch abominations.
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And hey!
We already have Amrelath (who will likely try to backstab us) very, very ready to be pushed into some more karmic retribution!
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I mean... Making him into a dracolich once again if he betrays us after becoming alive is even better...

But we can make One of Many out of dragons.
We have the technology Scythe.
And have it love eating Chromatics.

Except us, of course.
...but that is very much I'd like to let onto Tiamat's forces :rage:

...I probably need to have a nap now. My CE is showing through :/
 
@Snowfire
I think the King of Shadows was just a Cleric 15 with 10 racial HDs of Outsider or something.

And now I'm tempted to play NWN2 with a build mimicking Viserys.
 
tarrangar said:
And I disagree with you, building the connection shouldn't be that hard, considering that Dragons can do it though sex, they don't need any complicated rituals to reproduce, of course the connection should be as a Wyrmling, brand new and not yet pulled anything though, but a wish should be able to build it in my opinion.
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And there's your fundamental fuckup that produced all the other fuckups you've been typing today.

Sex is a complicated ritual, you **** ****!

Now I'm not talking about weird draconic courting rituals, I'm talking about all that off-color poetry about "two beings joined together as one", "fires of unquenched passion" and whatnot. And let's not even get into the kind of weird imagery erotic poems can have!
So yes, Dragon sex is an arcane ritual. Nature just handles most of the fiddly bits as the two death-lizards fuck.
 
Azel said:
@Snowfire
I think the King of Shadows was just a Cleric 15 with 10 racial HDs of Outdider ir something.

And now I'm tempted to play NWN2 with a build mimicking Viserys.
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Hmmm.

I see where you're coming from with this, but I really don't think it's that simple. The Guardian was a being that kept all of the Netherese from even looking sideways at Illfearn, a powerful caster spliced directly into the Weave itself. The idea is a nice one, but given the projected levels of Karsus when he used Karsus' Folly and various other things, I'm not seeing it. Just not strong enough.

You know, you can make custom feats in that game.
Or custom items that just break everything because you're bored of playing through the opening, and therefore go in with +20 enhancement bonus to AC items that give you access to 5-10 spells of extreme utility.
 
Damn. Bad time to take an epically long Sunday afternoon nap. I really, really don't want to promise to tell Zherys how to unpetrify the eggs. That is asking for trouble. We should have told him about Summerhall, at least partially. The story would have extra impact because we would be giving him an egg restored to life by the deaths of most of our family before magic had even returned.
 
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Goldfish said:
Damn. Bad time to take an epically long Sunday afternoon nap. I teally, really don't want to promise to tell Zherys how to unpetrify the eggs. That is asking for trouble. We should have told him about Summerhall, at least partially. The story would have extra impact because we would be giving him an egg restored to life by the deaths of most of our family before magic had even returned.
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He'll go looking anyway. Either we fob off the truth, or promise him something for the future.
 
Goldfish said:
Damn. Bad time to take an epically long Sunday afternoon nap. I teally, really don't want to promise to tell Zherys how to unpetrify the eggs. That is asking for trouble. We should have told him about Summerhall, at least partially. The story would have extra impact because we would be giving him an egg restored to life by the deaths of most of our family before magic had even returned.
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It's the same unpleasantness as dealing with the Red Priests. Just like we can't make the Red Priests go away, we can't make this go away. We can't avoid it, and he will search on his own. It's Zherys. There's no way he won't. At least by us giving him the dragonlore we'll have that leverage over him.

The only way this problem would be defunct is if we got to fight Zherys and harvest that graft from his looted prone form.
 
...Anyone here watching MLP:FIM?
I dropped out of fandom (and watching the show) somewhere around season 4.

But having had a half a look at someone's pirated new episode, I kind of got into the stuff :/
Probably due to "magical School" thing.
Damn, I want that Scholarum quest :(

Are ponies any good this day and age?
Was there any movement uphill in quality since Season 4?
 
Snowfire said:
He'll go looking anyway. Either we fob off the truth, or promise him something for the future.
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Duesal said:
It's the same unpleasantness as dealing with the Red Priests. Just like we can't make the Red Priests go away, we can't make this go away. We can't avoid it, and he will search on his own. It's Zherys. There's no way he won't. At least by us giving him the dragonlore we'll have that leverage over him.

The only way this problem would be defunct is if we got to fight Zherys and harvest that graft from his looted prone form.
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Then part of our agreement should state from the very beginning that all Valyrian Dragon eggs be turned over to us for safe-keeping, except for an agreed upon number. Maybe three?
 
@Snowfire, my point was more that there was a serious lore vs engine divide already. The KoS was comically weak for a quasi-deity, likely because the PC caped before epic levels.

Hm...

Maybe an omake where Viserys wakes up as the shard-bearer?
 
I think we won't have to worry about Zherys spending his strength against us using dragons, when we'll have just as many on the wing as him. A little cooperative effort into reinstating the Crimson Code with Malarys having the entire thing memorized, and we'll be well on our way to being a superpower to rival Valyria. And the living bioweapons won't be the most impressive thing about our polity. It'll be the engineering.
 
Azel said:
Dove was indeed a annoying bitch most of the time. The best group to me was always Safia, Ghan and whatever Spirit your alignment had. One of Many was fun to have around.
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I had no problem with Kaylin.
She was so naive that you can basically get her to like you to 75+ by just saying the right things and then you can act like the last asshole and she'll stay loyally by your side until the end.
Or until you decide to defend the Wall in the final chapter, but for obvious reasons I have only tried that once and then never again.

She is a stupidly powerful Cleric who can load herself up with buffs to wreck things only slightly below Okku's level while also having a stong summon and supporting the rest of the party.
 
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